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fleabit
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[SPOILERS] - About the Ending - Also a Gripe Not blanking it all out.. there be spoilers here! Don't open if you don't want 'em I loved the movie, it's pretty much what I expected. I liked the views, the camera views imo were great. Stretching the imagination a bit with the due diligence to keep that camera rolling (which must be running on the energizer bunny himself), but no biggie.
First the ending:
I've heard many people complain about a nuclear bomb flattening Manhattan. Well, from what we saw at the end, there was no nuclear weapon at all. I don't know why people would think it was, it didn't have any characteristics of a nuclear weapon. It seemed more like the "Shock and Awe" phase of the war in Iraq. Dropping our heaviest weaponry, blanketing the entire city. The two bomb blasts under the bridge were probably the first two of a heavy bombing run that probably wiped out the buildings and most of the city wholesale. I doubt very highly any sort of nuclear weapon was dropped at all. I imagine cruise missles from the sea, and a massive barrage of weapons were dropped on MGP, nothing more than that.
My only gripe really:
Well, I know they added MGP munching on Hud so we can see.. well.. a giant critter munching on someone close-up. But that was stretching the realism a bit too far. The recovery from the crash couldn't have been very long after he knocked them out of the sky. The skyline was already light, and the bombing was before 7:00. So it had to happen very soon after. Why is he just hanging out there? Actually curious about the one and only Hud? With no military? And then afterwards, he what.. just wanders off? You don't even hear his footsteps. So while it was a hell of a cool scene, it was also the most unrealistic bit of the movie, imo. I don't know why he was there, and why he was happy to presumably chomp Hud in twain, and then wander off, his job done.
But I'm not trying to be super-nitpicky. It was an awesome film imo, and was everything I was hoping. Hud wasn't annoying to me as I guess he was to others. Sounded very realistic, saying things one would say when scared crapless because they don't know what else to say.
There WILL be sequel, there is no doubt. My question: Will they use the same method? Will they incorporate some of the same characters (assuming Rob and/or his fling survive)? I am not sure how you follow that sort of film up. What filming style you would use.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:32 am
blaaaaaah
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Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 313
Well, when the monster knocks the copter out of the sky, its not in central park. I think it was just a terrible coincidence on the part of HUD, Rob, and Beth. They crashed, and the monster continued sniffing around the city, eventually ending up in central park right when the group woke up.
Not unrealistic, just unlikely. There's a difference.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:08 am
Euchre
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Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 3342
At that point Hud was about the only thing left around to look at. The military pretty much evacuated so they didn't get bombed into next Tuesday. Rob and Beth seem to have run off and hid in the brush nearby. Hud freezes, and well...
Ends up being bubblegum.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:26 am
shrtyscott3
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Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 205 Location: Miami, Florida
I was just angry that Beth started to run after having been knocked out for hours with a pole in her shoulder, I was like WTF?!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:38 am
xboyonfirex
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Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 1069
blaaaaaah wrote:
Well, when the monster knocks the copter out of the sky, its not in central park. I think it was just a terrible coincidence on the part of HUD, Rob, and Beth. They crashed, and the monster continued sniffing around the city, eventually ending up in central park right when the group woke up.
Not unrealistic, just unlikely. There's a difference.
unlikely- but possible. The fact is- the monster wasn't that far away from Central park anyways. The soldier gave them the quickest evacuation area in relation to place Beth was staying at- which was right across the street from Central Park.
Also, Hud reminded me of sooo many people I know. They don't know when enough is enough and they can't fully understand emotions. "Socially Retarded" is what I call them. So, Hud's character was realistic to me, but only because I know people that are like that.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:43 am
Patrick Star
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Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 409 Location: Oregon
I got three words for you "Friggin Brilliant".
This movie has set the bar for any other movie. That is if any production company has the k-jones to take on an equally masterful project. It was epic yet personal. And wow that Heigl chick, whoa.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:45 am
RaveGamer
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Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 112 Location: Lancaster, CA
shrtyscott3 wrote:
I was just angry that Beth started to run after having been knocked out for hours with a pole in her shoulder, I was like WTF?!
I know huh.
Everyone in the theater, including me, went "Oh HELL no!" when she opened her eyes.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:49 am
shrtyscott3
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Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 205 Location: Miami, Florida
RaveGamer wrote:
shrtyscott3 wrote:
I was just angry that Beth started to run after having been knocked out for hours with a pole in her shoulder, I was like WTF?!
I know huh.
Everyone in the theater, including me, went "Oh HELL no!" when she opened her eyes.
It might have been a bit realistic, until they all survived the heli crash.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:58 am
xboyonfirex
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Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 1069
RaveGamer wrote:
shrtyscott3 wrote:
I was just angry that Beth started to run after having been knocked out for hours with a pole in her shoulder, I was like WTF?!
I know huh.
Everyone in the theater, including me, went "Oh HELL no!" when she opened her eyes.
I dunno- it's one of those things that we'd just have to be in that position to know what's realistic or not...
I mean, punctured w/ a pole or not- If someone told me that if I don't hurry the hell up then I'm gonna die- I'd ignore the hell out of that pain until I was safe.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:59 am
Euchre
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She was probably a little screwed up from her overall stresses and shockiness. They did bind her, which would be totally necessary to arrest some serious bleeding. That puncture was perilously close to her brachial artery.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:33 am
Mr. Mania
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Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Posts: 41
I don't know about anyone else, but even if my arm had been torn off, I'd run like a banshee for cover. Seriously, I don't want to die, and the fear of having to close those eyes and stare into the darkness for eternity isn't appealing.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:15 am
The Stray
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Theoretics I actually had a theory about that. To me, the most plausible set up would be that when the monster grabbed hold of the helicopter he actually dragged it down with him to the ground. This would account for why they weren't all immediately killed by hitting the ground because he would have slowed their decent by hanging on to it. Then if he had fallen momentarily unconscious or dazed behind the helicopter they might not have noticed him being dazed themselves. Then when Hud ran back for the camera that's when it shook it's daze and stood upright looming over him. The second time I watched it I didn't hear a footstep until Hud was already running back and it was only one step (or more like a shuffle).
Anyway, that's the only thing I could think of that would make sense. Otherwise they would have heard it coming long before unless it was already there.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:22 am
Euchre
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The helicopter spun in, which wouldn't happen if MGP grabbed the body of it and pulled it down. The alarms and spin were indicative of a loss of tail rotor, which prevents the body from spinning while the blades try to stand still. If you don't have a tail rotor or jet exhaust pushing opposite the direction of the rotors, there's nothing for them to 'push' against so they work properly. Wind resistance of the rotors starts to be what is pushed against and the body starts to spin instead. This results in an effective stall of the wing surface of the rotors. Wing stall means you loose your lift. If you manage to hit the body in that opposite spin when you take out the tail rotor you'd have this effect almost instantly, which is what apparently happens here. I'd have to guess that they at least attempted an autorotate to try to regain lift, and that would allow them to crash land at least slightly softer than just the usual way of falling down outright (spun in uncontrolled).
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:38 am
The Stray
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Oh. Uh... Okay Well... that completely crushes my theory... but oh well. I guess it's back to the multiple monsters idea then... or my personal favorite: a monster that tip toes selectively...
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:42 am
pegassissy
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To everybody saying that it wasnt realistic for hud to get eaten, please, its a movie. I would have been happy never seeing the monster, but that would not fair well with the source of income. People demand to see the monster, because they pay 9.25 to see a movie. Realism and realitiy are two different things. A realistic ending would have been for them to die in the helicopter. A movie with cinamatic realism is just the ending they provided, we had to see an active shot of the monster, because JJ's smart. This didnt actually happen you know, im in the city right now, and the SoL is fine.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:18 pm
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