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Kayberry
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The most likely candidate for that type of explosion would be something along the lines of a fuel-air bomb. The time it takes to gather together even a mediocre military force in one location that's not adjacent to a major base would be significant, which leads to the idea that the military had engaged this monster some time before landfall in the city. Regardless, the size and type of explosion leaves few options as to its source - either MGP does it or it's from a manmade source. A fuel-air explosive would be accessible in short order, without executive endorsement from the president, would create a similarly large fireball, and produce a concussive force which the military might have guessed would at least render MGP unconscious - these things were used primarily in Vietnam to clear-cut areas of jungle so that helicopters could land. Additionally, now that we know that MGP has creepy crawlies on him, we can assume that if a direct hit was scored it would have propelled a number of flaming creepy crawlies in ballistic trajectories across the skyline. Of course there are problems - the concussive force from a fuel-air bomb would knock the glass out of most every window for a few miles, and the explosion would likely be much louder and reverberative due to the echoing off of buildings - but that can be dismissed due to bad movie science, we see it all the time. Anyways, that's my best guess.
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A few things more to consider with the explosion.

1) It is very unclear how early the military became involved. They are not seen until the gang is trying to cross the bridge. They are not seen again until they come out of the alley and walk right into the middle of the military attacking the monster.

2) There was some sort of earthquake prior to the explosion. We know that Tag was investigating seismic activity and had evidence that pointed to the monster.

3) Now knowing both of those things that does not clear up any reason for the explosion. It billows out from its source and does not mushroom up and out like most explosions. The debris coming from the explosion is very peculiar as well.

If it was natural gas from a main line then I could see that. That would imply that the monster broke a line and during its debris flinging sparks or what have you, ignited it.

Propane does not inherently explode. An explosive device is need to essentially get the thing going. Mythbusters FTW on this one.

This is the only large explosion in the movie not caused by the military. Are we to assume that the monster burst up from the ground?

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Could the expolsion and the statue of liberty head be one in the same? The statue's head looked like it had scarp holes in it. That would mean the tanker could have been the starting point.

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Angstfild wrote:
A few things more to consider with the explosion.

1) It is very unclear how early the military became involved. They are not seen until the gang is trying to cross the bridge. They are not seen again until they come out of the alley and walk right into the middle of the military attacking the monster.

2) There was some sort of earthquake prior to the explosion. We know that Tag was investigating seismic activity and had evidence that pointed to the monster.

3) Now knowing both of those things that does not clear up any reason for the explosion. It billows out from its source and does not mushroom up and out like most explosions. The debris coming from the explosion is very peculiar as well.

If it was natural gas from a main line then I could see that. That would imply that the monster broke a line and during its debris flinging sparks or what have you, ignited it.

Propane does not inherently explode. An explosive device is need to essentially get the thing going. Mythbusters FTW on this one.

This is the only large explosion in the movie not caused by the military. Are we to assume that the monster burst up from the ground?


I dont like to act like some others have in this thread so I will not lash out with all CAPS. The miliitary was most likely there because they knew the monster was coming. Pictures on the 1-18-08 site tell us that the navy was fighting the monster in the open ocean. The army knew because they already had the tanks ready.

I agree with all your other points. In the movie the monster is standing in a pile of debris. maybe that is where he billowed up from so it was possibly a gas line.

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Just to throw my own theory in there after a little thinking. Maybe The monster threw something that exploded at a building?

The explosion does look like it it might've started high up next to one building & the creature threw the statue of liberty's head too. Im just speculating from what I can gather.

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StayPuftMarshmallowMan wrote:
Angstfild wrote:
A few things more to consider with the explosion.

1) It is very unclear how early the military became involved. They are not seen until the gang is trying to cross the bridge. They are not seen again until they come out of the alley and walk right into the middle of the military attacking the monster.

2) There was some sort of earthquake prior to the explosion. We know that Tag was investigating seismic activity and had evidence that pointed to the monster.

3) Now knowing both of those things that does not clear up any reason for the explosion. It billows out from its source and does not mushroom up and out like most explosions. The debris coming from the explosion is very peculiar as well.

If it was natural gas from a main line then I could see that. That would imply that the monster broke a line and during its debris flinging sparks or what have you, ignited it.

Propane does not inherently explode. An explosive device is need to essentially get the thing going. Mythbusters FTW on this one.

This is the only large explosion in the movie not caused by the military. Are we to assume that the monster burst up from the ground?


I dont like to act like some others have in this thread so I will not lash out with all CAPS. The miliitary was most likely there because they knew the monster was coming. Pictures on the 1-18-08 site tell us that the navy was fighting the monster in the open ocean. The army knew because they already had the tanks ready.

I agree with all your other points. In the movie the monster is standing in a pile of debris. maybe that is where he billowed up from so it was possibly a gas line.


If the military knew it was coming, knew how hard it was to kill already then why not evacuate the island and not waste time with conventional means?

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same explosion in 1-18-08.com night vision photo?

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This whole thing points to a big military black ops plot. The fact that the military was already on the island when he began the attack shows that they knew about the creature. Now in most science fiction plots the government always tries to collect dangerous creatures for study and use against our enemies. Now the way I see it they made a deal with Taragatu so that they could retrieve MGP from the depts of the ocean but T.I.D.O. blew up the station, disturbed him, and sent him on a rampage across Manhatten. Since the government new of his existence they sent troops to try and kill him and stationed more in the city so that if he reached them they could try and kill him there. Since at the end of the movie they blew the whole city up I doupt they would have any problems blowing up a big chunk of it in the begining which is what coused the large explosion.

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I'll once again say that its REALLY not a surprise that the army got there as quick as they did, Fort Hamilton is literally in the city, not on Manhattan but in the city nontheless.
I would not believe the army knew about it, maybe they thought they killed it on the ocean, maybe they were involved beforehand but when the statue of liberty's head was sent hurling across the skyline and they saw what threw it I bet that they were as surprised as Hud.
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It's obviously teh Grumpy Pants VANQUISHING GODZILLA!

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well the oil tanker was next to the statue of liberty and the head came from the same direction as the explosion. Later you see the oil tanker on fire but during the news report which took place before hand it wasn't on fire

so the serious of events would have been news report of tanker, rooftop, explosion of tanker, pissed off so Ima fuck this statue up, later seeing the oil tanker in the aftermath of the explosion. But with an explosion that huge the oil tanker would have been less intact afterwards. What was the debris coming from and what caused the earthquake. nowhere else does the monster cause such a devastating shake especially from so far away.

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JoshBHC wrote:
well the oil tanker was next to the statue of liberty and the head came from the same direction as the explosion. Later you see the oil tanker on fire but during the news report which took place before hand it wasn't on fire

so the serious of events would have been news report of tanker, rooftop, explosion of tanker, pissed off so Ima fuck this statue up, later seeing the oil tanker in the aftermath of the explosion. But with an explosion that huge the oil tanker would have been less intact afterwards. What was the debris coming from and what caused the earthquake. nowhere else does the monster cause such a devastating shake especially from so far away.


thats understandable, cause oil tankers don't burst in flames immediately right? BUT when they were on the rooftop, we see the explosion which looked exactly like the chuai station one, just without the fire- which leads me to think it's done by the monster, unless both the tanker and chuai station contains something that made that kinda explosion.
BTW, when they were crossing the brooklyn bridge, we see a red bullseye(?) logo? or is it the tagruato logo that everyones talking about??

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I didn't know a tentacle destroying the bridge was a fact. I thought it was the tail of the monster. Tentacles are usually used in combinations of two or more for gripping. What was it doing with the other tentacles while using just one to destroy the bridge? I didnt even see tentacles on the monster. Rolling Eyes


Sorry I just find it funny and have to point out the fact that you find it believable that it was a giant tail from a massive behemoth, but don't believe it was a tentacle because they are usually used in combination and it is not a possibility that it was just overlooked by the makers of the film. It is just a movie, mistakes will be made.

I'm not argueing either point, I'm just saying...


According to the production notes it was indeed the monsters tail. Wink

Among the more familiar landmarks destroyed by the monster was the 125-year-old Brooklyn Bridge, which gets swiped by the monster's tail. A 50-ft. section of the bridge was constructed at The Downey Stages in Downey, California, surrounded by a 360-degree green screen, which was later replaced by background plate shots taken at the real bridge. The horde of extras hired to portray the stampede of panicking New Yorkers trying to escape the creature through stopped traffic on the bridge actually parked their own cars on the "deck" level of the specially constructed structure to fill out the shot.

http://home.windstream.net/dacevedo/cloverfield/cloverfieldproductionnotes.htm
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Re: Thoughts

sowht wrote:
This was a great question Angstfild, made me join here, hello all.


Question: "what in Manhattan could cause such a fireball?"

Answer: Nothing, nothing in Manhattan could cause a fireball like that.

So where does this leave us, it actually helps answer all the biggest questions.

The monster is not from this planet. We know that it is almost completely unaffected from all our combined conventional arms.... 120mm depleted uranium & HE shells from our M1 tanks, javelin missiles, heavy machine guns... even 500-5000lbs bombs from a B2 bomber only pissed-off the monster. The creature is a scientific impossibility unless it is replacing, healing it's micro structure from nanosecond to nanosecond. Nothing like this exists on this planet or from human science.

So, let try this...

Explosion scenario one: Some type for star ship crashes. This intergalactic zoo ship was just starting to leave after finding a few choice specimens from NY central park (a few of those CP freaks would really be a big hit as "curiosities" back on the alien home world, maybe they abducted Technoviking (curiosity in itself on any planet) and he got out & grabbed the pilot Confused ...), has some kind of problem and BOOM, crashes... strange fireball throwing chunks of "who knows what" all over the city, as one of the very nastiest creatures gets loose, one that can heal from nanosecond to nanosecond, replacing it's micro structure constantly....

But this leaves us with the tanker capsizing in the harbor, so we would have to accept the news story as just some strange coincident or maybe a part of the starship breaking off as it was trying to correct the problem, striking the tanker before the spacecraft finally fails altogether and crashes in the city...

or....

We have to accept there is TWO monsters because there was no sign of tentacles on the land monster.

The Bridge was destroyed by a huge tentacle (or tentacle looking appendage, good point out Stellacotton, thanx), fact. So the logical line of thought would be the Tanker was capsized by the same "something" we never got to fully see, that was in the Ocean. The tanker can be viewed from the bridge just before the bridge is destroyed by one hit by the Ocean creature

Which takes us to....

Explosion scenario two: Some kind of energy gate opens, massive, split second release of energy causing the huge strange fireball explosion, because it opens in our atmosphere, as our little friend comes through and the gate slams shut. Why? some type of attack or test to see how we deal with something so powerful. Maybe even a freak accident by a race of noble creatures but they were testing with the only creature capable of surviving the journey through the energy gate/portal....maybe one they even help genetically modify to make the vicious gate jump....

The first gate opens under the tanker, causing much less destruction/explosion but still easily capsized the ship (no easy feat in it self), as the first true creature with tentacles is released and the gate slams shut.

Maybe the first gate was tried in a water environment, opening and shutting minutes before the land gate opened. Two type of gates, one opening under water, the second on land, both with the same nasty creature types that can survive the violent process....

Anyway, I hoped some enjoyed a different line of thought on the "whys" and "hows".... I guess any theory fits in, that's what makes the movie so watchable.

Thanks for reading.

Are you watching the same movie as the rest of us?
It's been said by the producers that it WAS from this planet and has been for some time.
Also, i guess it's plausible that there are two monsters from that evidence. But don't you think it's just a TAD strange that the monster is walking around on land, disappears, and during this time another monster in the water attacks, then THIS monster disappears and the land monster returns? Don't you find it strange that the military only saw one? Don't you find it strange that everyone in the movie referred to it as singular? Don't you find it odd that the production notes refer to it being its tail? Maybe none of that's strange to you, but it is (just a little) to me.

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Re: Thoughts

sowht wrote:
This was a great question Angstfild, made me join here, hello all.


Question: "what in Manhattan could cause such a fireball?"

Answer: Nothing, nothing in Manhattan could cause a fireball like that.

So where does this leave us, it actually helps answer all the biggest questions.

The monster is not from this planet. We know that it is almost completely unaffected from all our combined conventional arms.... 120mm depleted uranium & HE shells from our M1 tanks, javelin missiles, heavy machine guns... even 500-5000lbs bombs from a B2 bomber only pissed-off the monster. The creature is a scientific impossibility unless it is replacing, healing it's micro structure from nanosecond to nanosecond. Nothing like this exists on this planet or from human science.

So, let try this...

Explosion scenario one: Some type for star ship crashes. This intergalactic zoo ship was just starting to leave after finding a few choice specimens from NY central park (a few of those CP freaks would really be a big hit as "curiosities" back on the alien home world, maybe they abducted Technoviking (curiosity in itself on any planet) and he got out & grabbed the pilot Confused ...), has some kind of problem and BOOM, crashes... strange fireball throwing chunks of "who knows what" all over the city, as one of the very nastiest creatures gets loose, one that can heal from nanosecond to nanosecond, replacing it's micro structure constantly....

But this leaves us with the tanker capsizing in the harbor, so we would have to accept the news story as just some strange coincident or maybe a part of the starship breaking off as it was trying to correct the problem, striking the tanker before the spacecraft finally fails altogether and crashes in the city...

or....

We have to accept there is TWO monsters because there was no sign of tentacles on the land monster.

The Bridge was destroyed by a huge tentacle (or tentacle looking appendage, good point out Stellacotton, thanx), fact. So the logical line of thought would be the Tanker was capsized by the same "something" we never got to fully see, that was in the Ocean. The tanker can be viewed from the bridge just before the bridge is destroyed by one hit by the Ocean creature

Which takes us to....

Explosion scenario two: Some kind of energy gate opens, massive, split second release of energy causing the huge strange fireball explosion, because it opens in our atmosphere, as our little friend comes through and the gate slams shut. Why? some type of attack or test to see how we deal with something so powerful. Maybe even a freak accident by a race of noble creatures but they were testing with the only creature capable of surviving the journey through the energy gate/portal....maybe one they even help genetically modify to make the vicious gate jump....

The first gate opens under the tanker, causing much less destruction/explosion but still easily capsized the ship (no easy feat in it self), as the first true creature with tentacles is released and the gate slams shut.

Maybe the first gate was tried in a water environment, opening and shutting minutes before the land gate opened. Two type of gates, one opening under water, the second on land, both with the same nasty creature types that can survive the violent process....

Anyway, I hoped some enjoyed a different line of thought on the "whys" and "hows".... I guess any theory fits in, that's what makes the movie so watchable.

Thanks for reading.





I'm sorry, but 'No.' Just, 'No.'

This flies in the face of too many things that have been solidified. I suggest you read up around here before making these big posts and wasting your time. Good ideas, but out of step with too many established things.


But the initial explosion with the projecting fireballs is definitely a bit mysterious. I don't see an oil tanker doing that. Esp. one filled with DSN.

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