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[SPOILER][SPEC] Things to consider
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Angstfild
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[SPOILER][SPEC] Things to consider
Dates, MGP, Characters...

First let me say that Hud completely made this movie an enjoyable experience. Without his constant blather and comedic relief I doubt that I would have enjoyed this movie. It was hyped as a monster movie but in reality was not.

I saw the movie as boy goes to save girl with the monster and parasites being secondary to the plot of the movie. They were obstacles. Nothing more. Nothing less. They were there to set up the reason for Rob to go back and save Beth who he had had an argument with at his party.

A few things to consider:

1) The date of the events seems to point to 1-18-08. Reason I believe this is because of yesterdays updates on myspace and Jaimes recent video. Both of which pointed to a party that happened last night (1-18-0Cool or was taking place at that time.

The April to May dates could and most likely are a continuity thing that could have been missed in post production. Those dates are just so far out of place with everything we have learned about this movie so far.

2) Multiple MGPs is a distinct possibility. I believe that the parasites are or do cause some sort of infectious mutation of the individual that comes into contact with them. Why try to drag Hud away and then attack Marlena? Were they sentient? I think so. I think they have an agenda.

MGP did seem to be everywhere at once. There was no rhyme or reason for the locations he/she was at. Always seemed to be near our hero and his group.

Lastly, if the camera survived then it is quite possible (unlikely) that Rob and Beth lived. If it was protected by debris then they could have been as well. Hell, they survived a helicopter crash, parasites, impaling by rebar, etc.

One more thing. MGP did not rise up and knock the chopper down. He clearly jumps and knocks the chopper down. Watch it. The face materializes out of the smoke and gets bigger faster as he springs towards it.

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xboyonfirex
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There was just one monster. They didn't use plural significance in the movie nor did they use it outside of the movie [interviews, production notes]

Did anyone actually read the production notes. They called the 'monster' clover. There wasn't a nick name for another monster. It may seem like there was more than one because of all the times the camera was turned off and on, makes the monster seem like it's in two places at once, and it gets our directional skills all messed up. Plus, consider the different angles we're viewing the monster. One's from up high, one's from below... it gives the monster different features, but really- it's the same monster, just a different way of looking at it. Also, remember this monster can both walk on all-fours and on just its hind legs, so that's another reason why it looks different. Also, people might say that the monster looked smaller in the scene where Hud gets chewed up and spit out... but what other land mark do we have to compare it to? That's how you tell the size of something right? You compare it to some sort of landmark/feature.... but all you saw in the background was sky.

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MulletMan
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The dates are correct in the movie as Rob clearly says:

"My name is Robert Hawkins. It is 6:42 AM on May 23rd... Approximately 7 hours ago some thing attacked the city"

The monster attack in the ARG is at 12:30ish AM on January 18th, which doesn't sync up with the myspaces and jamie and teddy video saying that it was the night of January 18th. In the movie the monster attacked a little before midnight on May 22nd.

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vader33100
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I am going to respectfully disagree with you on one of your points:
With the way this thing was marketed, I really doubt that they would have made a continuity mistake with having the wrong dates on the tape......

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Calypso
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I was wondering why the dates were different to. It could be just because they couldent modify the dates on myspace but there may be more to the story then we think.

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chico8102
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nice but wuts a mgp

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xboyonfirex
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chico8102 wrote:
nice but wuts a mgp


and you've been a member since July???

lol, it's this gay name everyone's calling it: Mr. GrumpyPants [MGP]

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chico8102
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xboyonfirex wrote:
chico8102 wrote:
nice but wuts a mgp


and you've been a member since July???

lol, it's this gay name everyone's calling it: Mr. GrumpyPants [MGP]


i no i should no but ive had to cut back on arging because of school thxs anywayz man

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Angstfild
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xboyonfirex wrote:
There was just one monster. They didn't use plural significance in the movie nor did they use it outside of the movie [interviews, production notes]

Did anyone actually read the production notes. They called the 'monster' clover. There wasn't a nick name for another monster. It may seem like there was more than one because of all the times the camera was turned off and on, makes the monster seem like it's in two places at once, and it gets our directional skills all messed up. Plus, consider the different angles we're viewing the monster. One's from up high, one's from below... it gives the monster different features, but really- it's the same monster, just a different way of looking at it. Also, remember this monster can both walk on all-fours and on just its hind legs, so that's another reason why it looks different. Also, people might say that the monster looked smaller in the scene where Hud gets chewed up and spit out... but what other land mark do we have to compare it to? That's how you tell the size of something right? You compare it to some sort of landmark/feature.... but all you saw in the background was sky.


Cloverfield. Think about that. That is plural. Referring to a field of clovers. I am just speculating but I would not be surprised if there is more than one monster.

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Angstfild
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MulletMan wrote:
The dates are correct in the movie as Rob clearly says:

"My name is Robert Hawkins. It is 6:42 AM on May 23rd... Approximately 7 hours ago some thing attacked the city"

The monster attack in the ARG is at 12:30ish AM on January 18th, which doesn't sync up with the myspaces and jamie and teddy video saying that it was the night of January 18th. In the movie the monster attacked a little before midnight on May 22nd.


How many times have you yourself referred to anything from say 10 PM through 2AMish as last night or tonight? It is common. Very common.

I understand what proofs we have in the movie. I understand also the visual things we have in the ARG. Why such a disparity? Why do the photos on 1-18-08.com all have a timeline with that date? Why are the myspace pages up to date with 1-18-08?

I am just as confused as the next person. The viral portion totally contradicts that which is in the movie, as far as dates and times go anyway.

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vader33100
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Angstfild wrote:
xboyonfirex wrote:
There was just one monster. They didn't use plural significance in the movie nor did they use it outside of the movie [interviews, production notes]

Did anyone actually read the production notes. They called the 'monster' clover. There wasn't a nick name for another monster. It may seem like there was more than one because of all the times the camera was turned off and on, makes the monster seem like it's in two places at once, and it gets our directional skills all messed up. Plus, consider the different angles we're viewing the monster. One's from up high, one's from below... it gives the monster different features, but really- it's the same monster, just a different way of looking at it. Also, remember this monster can both walk on all-fours and on just its hind legs, so that's another reason why it looks different. Also, people might say that the monster looked smaller in the scene where Hud gets chewed up and spit out... but what other land mark do we have to compare it to? That's how you tell the size of something right? You compare it to some sort of landmark/feature.... but all you saw in the background was sky.


Cloverfield. Think about that. That is plural. Referring to a field of clovers. I am just speculating but I would not be surprised if there is more than one monster.


Just for the record, Field is not plural, if it were there would be an "s" at the end of it....Just like "My friends and I like going to the park because it has 3 baseball fields to play on".....

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Trixx
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There's only one big monster

I've seen it twice. It can move pretty fast when it wants too. So covering ground in short timespans is no issue.

And as for its size...it all matched up pretty logically. Like previously said, it jumped to reach the helicopter. Its arm got extremely high up on the building when bombed...but it was flailing...it was fully extended...his arms are extremely long...they just dont seem that way bcoz of how the arm folds up with so many joints (shoulder, two elbows and a wrist)...and when he eats HUD is perfectly fine...he is on all fours...his head starts up much higher...but he lowers it and his body to look at HUD...which is perfectly feasible due to the structure of his front legs

the news reports in the electronics store mentioned only one big monster

plus the military had contact with each other, and they said whatever it is, its winning....not they're winning

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grey101
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Trixx wrote:
There's only one big monster

I've seen it twice. It can move pretty fast when it wants too. So covering ground in short timespans is no issue.

And as for its size...it all matched up pretty logically. Like previously said, it jumped to reach the helicopter. Its arm got extremely high up on the building when bombed...but it was flailing...it was fully extended...his arms are extremely long...they just dont seem that way bcoz of how the arm folds up with so many joints (shoulder, two elbows and a wrist)...and when he eats HUD is perfectly fine...he is on all fours...his head starts up much higher...but he lowers it and his body to look at HUD...which is perfectly feasible due to the structure of his front legs

the news reports in the electronics store mentioned only one big monster

plus the military had contact with each other, and they said whatever it is, its winning....not they're winning
true. but in the godzilla movie near the middle-end they were following one godzillia only to realize there were 2 and ones left.

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Trixx
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grey101 wrote:
Trixx wrote:
There's only one big monster

I've seen it twice. It can move pretty fast when it wants too. So covering ground in short timespans is no issue.

And as for its size...it all matched up pretty logically. Like previously said, it jumped to reach the helicopter. Its arm got extremely high up on the building when bombed...but it was flailing...it was fully extended...his arms are extremely long...they just dont seem that way bcoz of how the arm folds up with so many joints (shoulder, two elbows and a wrist)...and when he eats HUD is perfectly fine...he is on all fours...his head starts up much higher...but he lowers it and his body to look at HUD...which is perfectly feasible due to the structure of his front legs

the news reports in the electronics store mentioned only one big monster

plus the military had contact with each other, and they said whatever it is, its winning....not they're winning
true. but in the godzilla movie near the middle-end they were following one godzillia only to realize there were 2 and ones left.


I don't know which godzilla you are referring too...but in godzilla from 1998...there was only one godzilla...other than all its babies...one of the babies survived...but there was only one big godzilla

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tanman
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I know this is a bit off topic, but did anyone else notice the absence of children in the film? I know it is filmed from the company of 25-30 year olds, but still. I didn't even see any in the background at any point.

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