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Completely ridiculous: SD card can't be recorded over
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xboyonfirex
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 		[ON THE EDGE OF TROLLDOM]
I haven't even read the 4 pages of this thread... All I know is I read the subject line and all that was running through my head was

"Quit your f*cking bitching over it. Doesn't matter now- it's done and over with."

Could have been a SD/Tape handy-cam. My sister just got one. Who knows... It could have been a small hovercraft w/ a camera attached to it as it shot lasers out of it and played Pink Floyd backwards and you know what- it would have been just fine because in the end- it was JUST a movie.

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 		Re: [ON THE EDGE OF TROLLDOM]
xboyonfirex wrote:
Who knows... It could have been a small hovercraft w/ a camera attached to it as it shot lasers out of it and played Pink Floyd backwards and you know what- it would have been just fine because in the end- it was JUST a movie.


Do...do you HAVE one of those? Can I have one?
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 		I only read the first post, but I'd like to add that anyone who actually gives a shit has no life and should never have watched this movie in the first place. I've seen enough shitty topics like these and it's so useless and dumb. The discussions were great before, but this is just silly.

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 		ITS A FREAKING MOVIE!!!!!

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xboyonfirex
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 		Re: [ON THE EDGE OF TROLLDOM]
Kayberry wrote:
xboyonfirex wrote:
Who knows... It could have been a small hovercraft w/ a camera attached to it as it shot lasers out of it and played Pink Floyd backwards and you know what- it would have been just fine because in the end- it was JUST a movie.


Do...do you HAVE one of those? Can I have one?


acutally... yes.

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 		The "flashbacks" were the result of recovering data
The DOD had to recover data from several badly damaged cameras. This camera's location was covered with dirt, stone, remnants of trees, and assorted detritus, fused concrete, rebar projectiles from nearby, destroyed buildings.

Cubic interpolation is used during missing segments of data. Unfortunately sometimes "headers" for files are corrupted and errantly end up obviously out of sequence to the human eye, but beyond the scope of the software.

Please excuse the occasional "flashbacks," which unfortunately add a sense of irony to the video of case designate Cloverfield.

1LT T. Saur
Cloverfield Data Recovery Team 3141

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dayspring2
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darkgoob wrote:

But no tape-based consumer camcorder has a +63-minute time. And the SD Card thing at the beginning would be false information.


I follow your reasoning but I'm wondering about the actual recorded time even though it doesn't explain all the points you brought out.

The movie's length is approximately 84 minutes. The length of the credits I've heard is 12 minutes. I didn't time it myself. If that's true then the actual running film is only 72 minutes. I have no ideal the running time of all the earlier Beth and Ron video, but it must be at least 10 minutes, maybe longer but let me err on the safe side and say 10 minutes. Subtracted from the 72 minutes that leaves 62 minutes needed to record all the actual events of that night and early morning. Would you agree with these calculations and at least the possibility of a tape-based camcorder being able to record it?

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 		How about it's a movie, and the camera managed to record it all. Do you think it could really survive being chewed on by the monster? Hell no. It's a movie, they can do what they want and questioning it like this is just stupid.

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 		Wait... the OP spent this entire movie obsessing over memory cards and night vision?

I know a regular consumer camera couldn't do some of the things the movie one did... and I didn't care. I watched the movie and loved it.


Lightsabers aren't real either. Go bitch about it on theforce.net.
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 		Re: The "flashbacks" were the result of recovering data
OK so let me see if I understand all of you guys properly:
- this is a movie

I think this was well-established before.

Also, I never said I cared. Last time I checked this was an internet bulletin board. Anyone who is here, by definition, has no life. You have even less of a life if you are criticizing people for having no lives after reading their posts. I'm actually at work, in between customers, effectively getting paid to write this. I don't know about you, but I'm actually having fun. If you're not, go do something else.

xboyonfirex wrote:

Could have been a SD/Tape handy-cam. My sister just got one.


That's great. What model is it? As far as I'm aware, all HD cameras that use SD cards and tapes do not allow the video (only stills) to be captured to the SD card. But if a camera like you are talking about exists, where it does both simultaneously somehow, I'd like to know what it is.

Even if this was the case though, the dude wouldn't be freaking out about the video being recorded over.

OliMango wrote:


You guys take all this shit way too seriously.

There's a 30 story monster with freaking parasite spiders killing and eating people and destroying all of New York, and you can't believe that a SD card can get written over or a camera battery can last forever?

Jesus!! The SD card got written over?!?!? THIS IS BULLSHIT!


No, *you* are taking this thread way too fucking seriously. I'm just having a casual discussion about a minor aspect of this movie. It's you people who are misinterpreting it as if I'm taking this seriously. Just because I write complete paragraphs and make reasoned arguments does not mean I actually care about this shit, k.

rhesusmonkeyboy wrote:
The DOD had to recover data from several badly damaged cameras. This camera's location was covered with dirt, stone, remnants of trees, and assorted detritus, fused concrete, rebar projectiles from nearby, destroyed buildings.

Cubic interpolation is used during missing segments of data. Unfortunately sometimes "headers" for files are corrupted and errantly end up obviously out of sequence to the human eye, but beyond the scope of the software.

Please excuse the occasional "flashbacks," which unfortunately add a sense of irony to the video of case designate Cloverfield.

1LT T. Saur
Cloverfield Data Recovery Team 3141


OK let me get this straight. They had to reconstruct the video from an SD card that underwent a nuclear bomb's EMP blast, yet every frame of video was perfectly preserved, just got mixed with another file slightly? Great theory, man.

Anyway onwards and forwards.

In conclusion after re-watching the first minutes of the film in which it says "Camera recovered at site..." I have concluded that the camera used could have been a tape camera because there is a way to record in "LP" mode on HDV camcorders, which will allow for up to 120 mins. Also, magnetic tapes would not be affected by an EMP blast, such as a nuclear bomb lets off. And, all the dialogue and editing suggests tape. Then it was transferred to SD-card at DoD as another poster suggested. Then Panasonic paid them to put SD-1's in the promo stuff. That's all I can think of as a consistent explanation.

-=DG=-

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 		Re: The "flashbacks" were the result of recovering data
darkgoob wrote:
OK so let me see if I understand all of you guys properly:
- this is a movie

I think this was well-established before.

Also, I never said I cared. Last time I checked this was an internet bulletin board. Anyone who is here, by definition, has no life. You have even less of a life if you are criticizing people for having no lives after reading their posts. I'm actually at work, in between customers, effectively getting paid to write this. I don't know about you, but I'm actually having fun. If you're not, go do something else.

xboyonfirex wrote:

Could have been a SD/Tape handy-cam. My sister just got one.


That's great. What model is it? As far as I'm aware, all HD cameras that use SD cards and tapes do not allow the video (only stills) to be captured to the SD card. But if a camera like you are talking about exists, where it does both simultaneously somehow, I'd like to know what it is.

Even if this was the case though, the dude wouldn't be freaking out about the video being recorded over.

OliMango wrote:


You guys take all this shit way too seriously.

There's a 30 story monster with freaking parasite spiders killing and eating people and destroying all of New York, and you can't believe that a SD card can get written over or a camera battery can last forever?

Jesus!! The SD card got written over?!?!? THIS IS BULLSHIT!


No, *you* are taking this thread way too fucking seriously. I'm just having a casual discussion about a minor aspect of this movie. It's you people who are misinterpreting it as if I'm taking this seriously. Just because I write complete paragraphs and make reasoned arguments does not mean I actually care about this shit, k.

rhesusmonkeyboy wrote:
The DOD had to recover data from several badly damaged cameras. This camera's location was covered with dirt, stone, remnants of trees, and assorted detritus, fused concrete, rebar projectiles from nearby, destroyed buildings.

Cubic interpolation is used during missing segments of data. Unfortunately sometimes "headers" for files are corrupted and errantly end up obviously out of sequence to the human eye, but beyond the scope of the software.

Please excuse the occasional "flashbacks," which unfortunately add a sense of irony to the video of case designate Cloverfield.

1LT T. Saur
Cloverfield Data Recovery Team 3141


OK let me get this straight. They had to reconstruct the video from an SD card that underwent a nuclear bomb's EMP blast, yet every frame of video was perfectly preserved, just got mixed with another file slightly? Great theory, man.

Anyway onwards and forwards.

In conclusion after re-watching the first minutes of the film in which it says "Camera recovered at site..." I have concluded that the camera used could have been a tape camera because there is a way to record in "LP" mode on HDV camcorders, which will allow for up to 120 mins. Also, magnetic tapes would not be affected by an EMP blast, such as a nuclear bomb lets off. And, all the dialogue and editing suggests tape. Then it was transferred to SD-card at DoD as another poster suggested. Then Panasonic paid them to put SD-1's in the promo stuff. That's all I can think of as a consistent explanation.

-=DG=-


Christ, get a life. I was making a joke.

It's a movie. There was way too much going on in this particular movie for you to be worried about an SD card.

Oh, and I wouldn't call a three paragraph post "Casual discussion".
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 		In the year 2009, HD tapes have a capacity of 100 minutes. Who the hell ever said it was SD? Just because that's the only thing that has the capacity for 1.5 hours nowadays? Honestly, I can't believe I'm even fueling this ridiculous argument, but I am rather bored.

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starshiptrooper wrote:
Lightsabers aren't real either. Go bitch about it on theforce.net.

+1 Smile

The only time this really mattered was when a lot of bogus 'sneak previews/reviews' started pouring in. One of these on AICN was particularly bizarre and mentioned the flashbacks. The whole SD thing was good reason to call BS on that one, but most of the points in that review (including the flashbacks obviously) turned out to be correct.

While yes, this is one of those things done in movies that gives me a little twinge of pain, in the end it doesn't matter. The movie was good, I enjoyed myself, and I'm sure I've suffered through much more aggregious errors in cinema before. I for one won't be losing any sleep over it. If it really pisses you off, email the guys at Robot Chicken and maybe they'll do a bit on it.

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 		[quote="dayspring2"]
darkgoob wrote:

But no tape-based consumer camcorder has a +63-minute time. And the SD Card thing at the beginning would be false information.



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 		I'm with the idea that it was tape then transferred over to SD.

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