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[Spoilers] Military Oddities

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jlocke23
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evacuation

OK - there are 8 million people on the island of manhattan as of the last census. But, most live either above the park or below 34th street (the bits in the middle are mostly commercial and, well, the park). The monster trashed most of the southern area. The military could have totally evacuated what was left. (don't forget, this thing was trashing whole tower apartment buildings and that's about 1500 people in one 10 second swipe). Plus look how many people were already on the bridge less than an hour after the first attack. believe me, after 9/11, we New Yorkers learned to get off the island asap. And when Rob decides to go for Beth, he points the others to one of the evacuation lines already leading people out.

Finally, everyone above the park (which is heavily populated) would have run north, away from the monster and accross the GWB. No one would have run south, towards the thing, to 42nd to get on a helo when they can run north.

If you know the geography of Manhattan, the evac scene is very plausible. (Now a camera that still has "tape" and a battery that lasts 8+ hours of filming, lights and night vision...that's hard to believe.)

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:48 pm

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Re: evacuation

jlocke23 wrote:

8 hours+ of filming? The video was only an hour and 20 minutes.

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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:52 pm

MasterG
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i get what he means, but it definetly wasnt 8 hours tha can fit on the "tape"

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:01 pm

suckaH
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Re: evacuation

jlocke23 wrote:

1. It wasn't 8 hours
2. He could have replaced the battery. The cam cut in and out so much we don't know what happened in those instances. Hell, rob could have grabbed more batteries when he ran inside the electronics store.

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:06 pm

jlocke23
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I just meant 8 hrs from the party starting until the final scene (more or less from the bodega to the bridge). Plus they used it as a flashlight in the tunnel and the night vision thing.

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:37 pm

Zaggs
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jamman1 wrote:

Awesome. I wonder if nuclear subs would attempt to keep track of him under water? Maybe at a safe distance? I wonder what the parasite's could do to a sub (breach the hull?), not to mention MGP. That would be an awesome scene in the next movie.

Also, I like the virus and ageng orange ideas. much better then the "giant pit with sharp sticks at the bottom" idea that I had.

Godzilla, lol.

The parasites wouldn't do anything to a naval submarine. They get a good bite in on Marlena and their teeth didn't seem to penetrate that far. So if they don't cut through much human the steel of a sub should hold up just fine. Not to mention their jaws don't seem to open that wide so I doubt they could even get in a bite except on the dive planes.
Though I wonder about the overpressure from a torpedo exploding right under or next MGP would do?
Not to mention how fast can he go underwater? His "hands" don't seem like they're webbed for better propulsion and his back "feet" seem to stubby to give that much boost. So its only his tail which doesn't look all that thick (compared to the rest of him) that is could provide that much power. So I don't think he would be that mobile underwater, maybe just walking on the bottom, so subs wouldn't even have to stay that far away.

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:20 am

Zaggs
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sp103 wrote:

Simple facts here: You couldn't organize ground support, including tanks and rocket launchers so quickly. Especially rocket launchers because they need to be signed out by a base commander. All military people know if you are given hand grenades or rocket launchers (UNHEARD of unless in a war zone!) you are in for some serious sh*t. That authorization takes time. When doing drills your not given this type of weapon due to potential impact. Rocket launchers, especially, are extremely dangerous. They are unreliable and aiming is very hard. Their ability to fall into the wrong hands (enemy) is another reason due to their portability. Thats why we hear about rocket attacks so much in the unstable areas of the world.

The fact we see ground soldiers as the first wave is absurd. Air support would be first, but it wouldn't fire before ground support was given a chance. So it's sort of accurate in that respect, but the 1 hr 30 turn-around time given by the movie to have foot soldiers armed with weapons mentioned about is completely out of reality.

Then again, this movie is about a giant monster knocking down NY. Fact is your more likely to see an F-16 scream over before seeing a soldier with a rocket launcher.

Finally the "hammer down" protocol is not a nuke, it's based on the "scorched earth" type of warfare that has been around since organized warfare began. If you can't beat the enemy, retreat and burn the area. Exploding nuclear ordinance anywhere on U.S. soil is out of the question. You'd kill the people with radiation in at least a 50 mile radius which would include any military and evacuated civilians. Then again if your conventional tactics aren't working, you may have to go nuclear. I doubt it however, as the monster doesn't pose such a threat due to it's speed (it wasn't very fast).

Two things. First off if there is no fore knowledge by the military (most likely the quick response is due to short movie length) then wouldn't they think the same as the first news reports, an earthquake? So wouldn't that bring in troops first not air support?
Secondly when in a crisis I imagine that the normal weapons check out procedures kinda go away (seem to have been gone at pearl harbor). Lets face it the procedures are there so as not to lose things and keep track of money. Which basically means answering to congress. LIke someone in congress is going to criticize lax procedures in case of monster attack.

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:29 am

Animaniac
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jamman1 wrote:

How could they capture it? Is there even a precedent for that sort of thing (of course not, but you know what I mean). Is there anything that the military currently has that could do that? It doesn't even have to be a weapon.

What if the 'hammerdown' was a FAE + plenty of conventional munitions as theorized. Perhaps the sudden loss of air and the hammering finally felled it. Not killing it, but knocking it out. Now the military has a huge monster laying in the middle of the area formerly known as Central Park. It's not moving, the first team sent in to check on it notices its still breathing, one of the soldiers standing near the Greyshot bridge ruins whispers into his com "It's still alive..."

Fast forward, they've managed to keep it unconscious (having failed or been told not to kill it in its sleep) and believe its contained as they try and study it... but since its a baby a) its still growing and their containment has to keep being rebuilt.. (alowing for escape) or b) Mommy finally finds where Jr. is..

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:28 am

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Lots of people died in the destruction of the skyscrapers. So not *everyone* had to evacuate.

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:36 pm

TPMdm
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jamman1 wrote:

I just thought it was funny to see the millitary potrayed as such a helpful organization.

Not a military guy here, but I have tremendous respect for the military and what they do. I have quite a few stronger words I'd like to tell you, but let me just assure you that the military is quite a bit more "helpful" than you would like to believe. Go ahead and stick to your ideas of racist, sexist, baby killing, rapists but that's just what "the left" would like you to believe.

Maybe you think Rambo is an accurate portrayal of the military?

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:00 pm

lazarusHART
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TPMdm wrote:

Maybe you think Rambo is an accurate portrayal of the military?

I think it's not an accurate one, but a way to show the soldier's potential.

Also, if you look, it's not like hollywood's been portraying the military as a helpful organization. It's kinda 50-50 when it comes to that.

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:13 pm

MasterG
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i did find some of your posts inteesting, i cant remember them tho because i just went through 7 pages of different people posting

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:16 pm

jamman1
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TPMdm wrote:

jamman1 wrote:

I just thought it was funny to see the millitary potrayed as such a helpful organization.

Read the entire thread before you start flaming me.

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:20 pm

jamman1
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Zaggs wrote:

jamman1 wrote:

Good points. I also think that an underwater explosion might be more effective.

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:22 pm

jamman1
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Animaniac wrote:

jamman1 wrote:

I wonder what a containment facility would look like? What would it be made of? It would have to be damn big and strong.

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:23 pm

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