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[SPEC] What if MGP was a wish gone bad?
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SomethingTerrible-AlsoTer
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I think I saw Fall Out Boy running from the monster.

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Re: What if MGP was a wish gone bad?
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Eberibik wrote:
What if MGP was a wish that Jacob granted to Ben that went wrong? It would explain the monster suddenly falling from the sky. This goes with my theory that Jacob is a genie under Ben's control.

P.S: Jacob and Ben are LOST characters in case you're wondering.


Im wondering why of all thoughts you come up with such ridiculous idea like that.

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Uh-oh, the Tukmol monster is back...

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Eberibik wrote:
Have any of you seen LOST? Ben talks about the island as a "box that can grant you any wish". There is also a guy named Jacob who he seems to have held captive that might be granting them and most have gone horribly wrong, thus causing the problems on the island.

There is even a guy named Jin which is another name for genie.

Now knowing that Darma does in fact work with the government on certain projects and the fact their symbol was used at the beginning of the tape in Cloverfield, I think Abrams could be hinting at a strong LOST connection.

Yeah you can say that the Darma logo was just there to mess with our heads, but that's not how Abrams works. He ALWAYS has a reason for doing what he does and I predict there will be a strong LOST connection that we find later on.



(CONTAINS A LOST SPOILER FOR COMEDIC EFFECT...)

Alright, first off... this is ridiculous. If Cloverfield and Lost occurred within the same canon, that would be downright stupid. But wait... THAT'S why Jack wants to go back to the island at the end of season three! BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG MONSTER DESTROYING THE US!!!

It all makes sense now...

But seriously, this is ridiculous. Based on this info, we can assume that if there's a Dharma logo hidden as an Easter Egg in the new Star Trek movie, that means they ALL occur in the same cannon! Which means Cloverfield MIGHT BE part of the Star Trek universe!

And why does it being a wish mean it would fall out of the sky?

Also; JIN is not an alternate spelling of Genie. 'Djinn' and 'Djinni' are.

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For one thing I think Jack is in LA when he gets back in the US, so he's very far from New York.

If a wish was granted to Ben and of course when wrong like all the others, yes then, a monster would just appear out of nowhere. This would explain it suddenly falling out of the sky and hitting the sea. It didn't come from space, it was created out of thin air and sent to Earth to wreck havoc.

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But here's the thing you're missing; while fantastic things are happening in both Lost and Cloverfield, there's not a whole lot of fantasy. For example: the Island seems to heal people, but then we learn that they've been doing genetic testing there as well, so we can say that it's not magic, but the water or the air or the soil.
Or looking at Cloverfield, we already have a very strong notion that something is rotten in the sea bed because of all the viral marketing with Tarugato and Slusho!. Yes, it may all be red herrings (the alien theory, for example, suggesting so), but the amount of time and money and work put into everything--from a simple business standpoint--suggests to me that there's no possible way a Hollywood company would pump thousands of dollars into stuff that's nothing more than a simple lie to distract fans.

The idea that there is a genie on the Lost island has absolutely no credence. There is nothing that even remotely suggests such a thing; you'd be better off trying to find a wish-granter from Hindu mythology. As it stands, the theory is intrinsically broken in that the only way it could be plausible is if JJ simply deus-ex-machina'd everything in both Colverfield and Lost, and we can all say for absolute certain that he and his writers are clearly better than this.

Besides, you haven't actually suggested anything with any sort of proof besides the invoking of said ridiculous deus-ex-machina.

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anonimous wrote:
But here's the thing you're missing; while fantastic things are happening in both Lost and Cloverfield, there's not a whole lot of fantasy. For example: the Island seems to heal people, but then we learn that they've been doing genetic testing there as well, so we can say that it's not magic, but the water or the air or the soil.
Or looking at Cloverfield, we already have a very strong notion that something is rotten in the sea bed because of all the viral marketing with Tarugato and Slusho!. Yes, it may all be red herrings (the alien theory, for example, suggesting so), but the amount of time and money and work put into everything--from a simple business standpoint--suggests to me that there's no possible way a Hollywood company would pump thousands of dollars into stuff that's nothing more than a simple lie to distract fans.

The idea that there is a genie on the Lost island has absolutely no credence. There is nothing that even remotely suggests such a thing; you'd be better off trying to find a wish-granter from Hindu mythology. As it stands, the theory is intrinsically broken in that the only way it could be plausible is if JJ simply deus-ex-machina'd everything in both Colverfield and Lost, and we can all say for absolute certain that he and his writers are clearly better than this.

Besides, you haven't actually suggested anything with any sort of proof besides the invoking of said ridiculous deus-ex-machina.



How do you explain that damn smoke monsta??

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Eberibik wrote:
Have any of you seen LOST? Ben talks about the island as a "box that can grant you any wish". There is also a guy named Jacob who he seems to have held captive that might be granting them and most have gone horribly wrong, thus causing the problems on the island.

There is even a guy named Jin which is another name for genie.

Now knowing that Darma does in fact work with the government on certain projects and the fact their symbol was used at the beginning of the tape in Cloverfield, I think Abrams could be hinting at a strong LOST connection.

Yeah you can say that the Darma logo was just there to mess with our heads, but that's not how Abrams works. He ALWAYS has a reason for doing what he does and I predict there will be a strong LOST connection that we find later on.



... dear god, you're serious aren't you? Confused

Jin, loosely translated, can mean a lot of things, one of which is 'Gold' (if my memory serves.. which it often doesn't). Hell, if we use American, it's like Gin, so maybe they're all just really really drunk and hallucinating the whole TV series.

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How do you explain that damn smoke monsta??


It's all that damn pot smoke the drunks are toking...

*bangs her head against the desk a few times*

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SomethingTerrible-AlsoTer wrote:
I think I saw Fall Out Boy running from the monster.


No no, they were running with the monster.
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mousekinn wrote:
Eberibik wrote:
Have any of you seen LOST? Ben talks about the island as a "box that can grant you any wish". There is also a guy named Jacob who he seems to have held captive that might be granting them and most have gone horribly wrong, thus causing the problems on the island.

There is even a guy named Jin which is another name for genie.

Now knowing that Darma does in fact work with the government on certain projects and the fact their symbol was used at the beginning of the tape in Cloverfield, I think Abrams could be hinting at a strong LOST connection.

Yeah you can say that the Darma logo was just there to mess with our heads, but that's not how Abrams works. He ALWAYS has a reason for doing what he does and I predict there will be a strong LOST connection that we find later on.



... dear god, you're serious aren't you? Confused

Jin, loosely translated, can mean a lot of things, one of which is 'Gold' (if my memory serves.. which it often doesn't). Hell, if we use American, it's like Gin, so maybe they're all just really really drunk and hallucinating the whole TV series.
*bangs her head against the desk a few times*


...if Jin was Japanese, it would be the suffix for a person's nationality?

Stop hitting your head. It's not worth it.

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emperor wrote:
anonimous wrote:
But here's the thing you're missing; while fantastic things are happening in both Lost and Cloverfield, there's not a whole lot of fantasy. For example: the Island seems to heal people, but then we learn that they've been doing genetic testing there as well, so we can say that it's not magic, but the water or the air or the soil.
Or looking at Cloverfield, we already have a very strong notion that something is rotten in the sea bed because of all the viral marketing with Tarugato and Slusho!. Yes, it may all be red herrings (the alien theory, for example, suggesting so), but the amount of time and money and work put into everything--from a simple business standpoint--suggests to me that there's no possible way a Hollywood company would pump thousands of dollars into stuff that's nothing more than a simple lie to distract fans.

The idea that there is a genie on the Lost island has absolutely no credence. There is nothing that even remotely suggests such a thing; you'd be better off trying to find a wish-granter from Hindu mythology. As it stands, the theory is intrinsically broken in that the only way it could be plausible is if JJ simply deus-ex-machina'd everything in both Colverfield and Lost, and we can all say for absolute certain that he and his writers are clearly better than this.

Besides, you haven't actually suggested anything with any sort of proof besides the invoking of said ridiculous deus-ex-machina.



How do you explain that damn smoke monsta??


I had a feeling someone would bring that up...
As I said, there's a lot of fantastic stuff going on, but I'm guessing most of it will be explained. Personally, I really like the 'Lost Island is Purgatory' theory, but I don't feel it's all that credible.
Where we know the Dharma Initiative is up to lots of Weird Science, what with exploding bunnies and super-death-gas, the smoke monster is probably another one of their creations--ESPECIALLY because the Others don't know what it is, either.

To be honest, I think the monster is mechanical (perhaps nanobots, perhaps an extension of some larger, underground machine), and is either being operated by someone we haven't met yet, or is functioning on its own.

The only thing I can't really rationally explain is Locke's Dad ending up there... but then I think to myself... 'Teleporters? After all, we ARE in the Star Trek universe...'

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[HUMOR]

What if everything in the movie was just from the mind of an autistic kid as he looks into a snowglobe of NYC? Although I think that idea might have already been used elsewhere...

I think I saw that DHARMA logo in an Esurance ad once...
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[HUMOR]

Kayberry wrote:
What if everything in the movie was just from the mind of an autistic kid as he looks into a snowglobe of NYC? Although I think that idea might have already been used elsewhere...

I think I saw that DHARMA logo in an Esurance ad once...


Way to win the 'Best Obscure Reference Ever' award... Seriously. I literally 'lol'ed', as the kids say.

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or maybe Ben wished for Locke's dad to appear and he did. A few minutes before that scene, he talks about how the island is like a box that can grant you anything you want. It might also explain that girls cancer that was fixed.

I'm telling you Jacob could very well be a genie and the Cloverfield monster was just one of his wishes going bad.

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But I'm saying--as a writer and whatnot--that having 'you get free wishes!' as the way everything in your universe works is CRAP and that JJ wouldn't do it. There's no evidence, it doesn't make sense, and it is--when all is said and done--lamer than Hannah Montana. You could apply this theory to any show that uses similar tools of suspense.

Also; Ben flat-out says that the wishing is a METAPHOR (or was it an analogy? Either way, this is enough to kill your theory.)

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anonimous wrote:
But I'm saying--as a writer and whatnot--that having 'you get free wishes!' as the way everything in your universe works is CRAP and that JJ wouldn't do it. There's no evidence, it doesn't make sense, and it is--when all is said and done--lamer than Hannah Montana. You could apply this theory to any show that uses similar tools of suspense.

Also; Ben flat-out says that the wishing is a METAPHOR (or was it an analogy? Either way, this is enough to kill your theory.)


You know, the only reason I regret J.J. being producer is the fact that LOST fans like you keep showing up.
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