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[SPEC] Why A Cloverfield Sequel May Be Completed Already
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ecw209
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[SPEC] Why A Cloverfield Sequel May Be Completed Already

Here are my thoughts:

There's clearly way too many unanswered questions so I think it's fair for us to expect a sequel. I'm not the first with a theory that it may have been completed already, Ryomi & some other members have suggested it but I'd like to expand the topic & discuss it a little more in depth..

Timeframe

Cloverfield started production in mid June of 2007 and ended around September(i might be off by a month) & the movie obviously came out last week, January 18th 2008.

Star Trek which Abrams is also directing began filming on November 7th, 2007 & is scheduled to last 85 days & it's due for a release on Christmas of this year.

My point is that the spring is wide open for a release of a sequel/prequel to Cloverfield without interfering with Star Trek. Cloverfield seems like a movie that could benefit by following up with a sequel sooner than later.

Problem: BUT WHEN WOULD HE FILM THIS MOVIE???

I believe it is possible the movie has been already shot. JJ's had a secret project once...why should we doubt he hasn't already worked on another or perhaps this was still part of the first? Maybe ONE(not all just one) of the other reasons it was kept so secret was because there is a sequel that has already been completed that is due for a release sometime in the spring, perhaps around May. A sequel kept secret? It's never been done before, it would generate quite a buzz..

Problem: A SEQUEL WOULD HAVE TO BE GREENLIT BY PARAMOUNT

Is it possible JJ walked into Paramount & explained to them an exciting new concept for his vision of America's monster, an idea for filming it from a unique perspective, promising them 2 movies for a TOTAL budget of $70-80million & keeping all of this a secret project? Cloverfield's budget was $25million & while a lot of the work was done digitally & they used mainly unknown actors, that is still an incredibly low budget for a movie.

Matt Reeves has already stated that he & JJ were throwing around some ideas for another perspective from someone else filming. In an interview, it is stated that in Cloverfield, as Hud is on the Brooklyn Bridge filming, he's panning the camera you can see there is a brief shot of someone else that is filming him. If a sequel was going to be from another perspective of the same event, it would make sense to have it be done then and there where it is easier to contrast & have the same set & extras, etc. set up?

I expect Cloverfield to be released on DVD around April or May & if my theory is in fact true, there could be a trailer for the sequel on it.


Finally, the debut of a new commercial during Degrassi on the N Network seems to be connected to Cloverfield..was it leaked intentionally? was it an accident? The N network is owned by Viacom which also owns Paramount Pictures.

Let me know your thoughts & ideas & thanks for reading..

Edit - tagged - MikeyJ

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Hm, going out on a limb here, but....

What if Cloverfield was just a distraction? What if the real movie isn't out yet?

Plus, that would mean the real movie is INSANELY amazing if Cloverfield was just meant to keep us misguided.
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Right, I've been thinking just that - the scene on the bridge would be easy easy EASY to get EXACTLY right if the two films were made at the exact same time. Saves time, saves money.

EDIT: Even if it were just that scene of the other movie.
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I actually really like the idea that the movie might be a red herring for a bigger project. It's plausible, though I feel it strips the movie of a lot of its uniqueness and relegates it to a simple side-story. The biggest problem with this theory, though, is that with all the buzz the movie has generated, anything that's a follow-up probably won't match up to the hype of Cloverfield itself.

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OliMango wrote:
Hm, going out on a limb here, but....

What if Cloverfield was just a distraction? What if the real movie isn't out yet?

Plus, that would mean the real movie is INSANELY amazing if Cloverfield was just meant to keep us misguided.


I think it's possible but if there is a sequel shot already & its planned to be from a different angle, it would have to show us a different perspective to make sense & in my mind that is show us something that seemed obviously true to us & portray it as completely different. Ex: military looking helpful & good ppl in cloverfield but in the sequel it turns out maybe they were killing infected patients instead of treating them or somehting else, etc. (just an example of my point..im not saying its this)

In theory I could see a sequel already made from a new perspective of someone else, maybe someone from TIDOWAVE holding the cam & more information being revealed and then if that succeeds in theaters there would be a larger movie that takes place a year or 2 later that connects everything together as the truth of what happened whereas the others would provide two opposing perspectives.

Rusty wrote:
Right, I've been thinking just that - the scene on the bridge would be easy easy EASY to get EXACTLY right if the two films were made at the exact same time. Saves time, saves money.

EDIT: Even if it were just that scene of the other movie.


yeah it just makes sense because parts of it are going to be 'within' the same scene of ppl running and scared or whatever..

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That would be cool if they made another cloverfield....NOW

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OliMango wrote:
Hm, going out on a limb here, but....

What if Cloverfield was just a distraction? What if the real movie isn't out yet?

Plus, that would mean the real movie is INSANELY amazing if Cloverfield was just meant to keep us misguided.


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OliMango wrote:
Hm, going out on a limb here, but....

What if Cloverfield was just a distraction? What if the real movie isn't out yet?

Plus, that would mean the real movie is POTENTIALLY INSANELY amazing GOOD LORD WILLING THE DIRECTOR DONT DIE if Cloverfield was just meant to keep us misguided.



Their, whoooooo that was a close one!

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I know that essentially Peter Jackson did this with the Lord of the Rings but of course it wasn't a top secret production, and they pretty much HAD to do it that way. But, I don't think JJ and crew would benefit from having the sequel made already. Sure, It would be awesome for us fans, but it really wouldn't do them any good.

I'm no movie producer, thats for damn sure, but sequels do not generally appear within the same year. They give it time to build up, gain an audience, entertain the masses, then let it fade out. After that the sequel would start generating buzz, and the process would be repeated. I think if a sequel was already made, then the intent would be to release it fairly soon. And thats not going to happen. Its unorthodox, and I don't think anycompany would buy into it. Even if it is JJ Abrams.
A movie needs to have every cent drained out of it before they move on the next one. Im not saying it IMPOSSIBLE for this to happen, but with a movie of this nature, i'm betting Paramount wanted to make it, release it, and sit on it for a while and see what happens. Thats it. Then, and only then, pursue the idea of a sequel. I'm thinking in their eyes this movie was to a degree, a "risk", so I dont see a sequel already being filmed as very likely.

Could they have pulled it off?? Absolutely . But I don't think Paramount would have taken even more of a risk by pre-filming a sequel,with a movie who's fate in entirely unsure. (pre-filming? Is that a word?)

Can you image if the makers of "One missed call" had filmed a sequel before the first one even premiered, and then to have it just BOMB the way it did? Heads would be rolling.

Obviously, this film was a risk that payed off quite nicely, for everyone involved. (fans mostly Razz ) and hopefully we have much much more in store for us.

Oh, by the way, I would LOVE to be entirely wrong, and have a sequel by summer.

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My Spec!

Totally straight up dude.

Here's my concept for the Sequel (In Production: I'm still working on it, and it's not finished)

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mistermunky69 wrote:


Can you image if the makers of "One missed call" had filmed a sequel before the first one even premiered, and then to have it just BOMB the way it did? Heads would be rolling.


One thing though, with the insanely low budget that Cloverfield had, they could have easily made both movies with a single normal movies budget, therefore, if it DID tank, it'd only be like one bad movie that had two opening weekends, which is better for buisness than one bad normal movie with only the single opening weekend to make money.

With all the work they put into the ARG/ARE, i'd hope that they'd find some way to close some of the gaps a little more between the online and the movie, whether by sequel, or an extension of the online experience.

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lostgunslinger2 wrote:
mistermunky69 wrote:


Can you image if the makers of "One missed call" had filmed a sequel before the first one even premiered, and then to have it just BOMB the way it did? Heads would be rolling.


One thing though, with the insanely low budget that Cloverfield had, they could have easily made both movies with a single normal movies budget, therefore, if it DID tank, it'd only be like one bad movie that had two opening weekends, which is better for buisness than one bad normal movie with only the single opening weekend to make money.

With all the work they put into the ARG/ARE, i'd hope that they'd find some way to close some of the gaps a little more between the online and the movie, whether by sequel, or an extension of the online experience.



They will my friend. They will.

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Re: Why A Cloverfield Sequel May Be Completed Already

ecw209 wrote:
Here are my thoughts:

Timeframe

Cloverfield started production in mid June of 2007 and ended around September(i might be off by a month) & the movie obviously came out last week, January 18th 2008.

Star Trek which Abrams is also directing began filming on November 7th, 2007 & is scheduled to last 85 days & it's due for a release on Christmas of this year.

Let me know your thoughts & ideas & thanks for reading..


Hate to nit-pick but Abrams didnt direct cloverfield, he was an executive producer which probably means that he came up with the idea had some input and left the rest to the writers and Reeves, the director.

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Damn. The link didn't show in my original post. Well, here's the whole thing- (Sorry for legnth):

Quote:
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Multiple Sightings of Case Designate "Cloverfield"
Camera Tapes Retrieved at U.S. Site 986
Area formerly known as "Newark International Airport"
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Tom Greenburg, his sister Sarah and his best bud Kevin Pendragon go to Manhattan via Subway from Queens. Since they had free time (Tom was actually a cameraman for FOX news, but he was fired for zooming in on things that interested him only and not what the report was about.) for a week, they decided to spend it sight-seeing.
It's 2300 (Military) and they arrive at Times Square Station and decide to head south for a nighttime view of Battery Park.
Camera is played with around a lot, and hilarious jokes can be heard from Kevin. As they observe the river in a serene, calm sense, Tom (Current Operator of Camera) notices something moving behind a large ship, presumably the Tagruato Tanker. The tanker is remarked as traveling extremely faster than other ships in the harbor, and just as Tom notices a small ripple with strange bubbles popping up, a HUGE earthquake is felt. (Rob was near Lower Manhattan when this happened, and it was large. Standing right next to it is "HOLY SH-")

Everyone visible is struggling to stand up. Tom zooms right back into the ripple, except we see Monstridae Grandis Paratism's (MGP) head for a few seconds before submerging. Tom doubts himself at first and actually wipes the camera lens to make sure he wasn't seeing things. CRAANNKKK. The Tanker is seen to be going down, tipped over and stopped. By now, Kevin and Sarah are intensely focusing on what's happening in the camera zoom.

A patrol boat is first on the scene, but that's after a few helicopters are on scene already. Camera speeds up to a few minutes later, when everyone within a 3 block radius is basically looking out at the river, peering out through the "Quarter Binoculars" they have at river parks.
MGP finally comes out of the water, and stares at the patrol boat before picking it up and throws it for no apparent reason in the city a few blocks behind where Tom's standing. (MGP's a baby, as confirmed in interviews. Throwing that would be just random, like a baby in a new environment. MGP also roars in excitement while watching the explosion.)
The explosion coincidentally occurs near a gas station, launching flaming barrels of oil into the sky.

A few seconds later, machine gun fire is being shot from the Tanker (Apparently someone's still alive onboard with some guns), and MGP roars again- this time in agitation. He crashes his hand/knuckle into the area where the gunfire was coming from in the ship and it's in flames, but not yet sinking (Hull Currently Undamaged) and while it does this, his tail just rips through the SoL's head, which crashes even farther from Tom.

Boom. BooM. BOOM. Footsteps of MGP get louder and louder as he gets closer. Since MGP is still excited and curious like a little baby, he doesn't get any "hand-held object phobia" like he did with Hud. (From there on, every other hand-held object in sight causes searing pain and bullet deflections.)
So because MGP just waltzes in Lower Manhattan, Tom gets a full 100% view of MGP slowly observing things, walking on trees and etc. (And it's only ten minutes into the movie! Yay!)
Then someone throws something at it. Some visibly drunk retard threw a stone at his head, thinking it's his girlfriend's ex. Tom is far enough to be safe as MGP lunges at the drunk and chomps on his body, only to spit it out later-
MGP doesn't like beer glass in his mouth.
Tom is breathing hard now as Sarah and Kevin rush to his side and tell him to get moving- MGP's walking towards the explosion- first slowly, then into a sprint, then finally into a astonishing crawl at high speeds (Think super-fast spiders).
Tom instinctively rushes to follow the monster- he might have been fired for not paying attention to important things no matter how boring, but this was exciting AND important. Hard to find that in life anymore.

The helicopters are now following the monster, obviously getting a much better view. Tom knows this and rushes into the closest electronics store and flips the largest TV on to NY1. His guess was good. A much Arial view of MGP is on scene, and Sarah and Tom just caught up with him, now staring at the TV.
"Shit. I was gonna go for a job interview at that place tomorrow." Remarks Tom, as MGP crushes a McDonalds store on TV.
FUDDA FUDDA FUDDA.
Tom rushes outside with the camera, and sees an Apache helicopter fly above the buildings. On TV, the helicopter reporter says to viewers that the Army is ordering all civilians to stay away 1000 feet.
(It's now 24 minutes since MGP bounces into town.)
As the news helicopter backs off, the cameraman on the helicopter catches a few Apache helicopters engage the monster.

Clearly, Monstridae Grandis Paratism is not a very tamable species. As missiles come into contact with skin, the roar is heard again. Now it's much more pissed and a little scared. Tom turns away and looks if any other TV's are showing this, as a large crowd is forming around them. While doing this, a large bang is heard from the TV. One Apache copter made contact with MGP's tail. Another is clawed by his left hand it is launched into the sky, and in mid-air, it explodes.
Again, News reporters are just too excitable at real action. Being closer than ordered by the Army, a burning fragment spins through the air and hits the NY1 copter.
TV fazes out.

Tom looks away for a second and turns off the camera as he tries to squeeze through the stunned crowd.
Outside, Sarah and Kevin are fussing at him.
"Yo shithead. We need to get out of here ASAP." Sarah says.
"Fine, fine. Just let be look around here for a second." Tom replies.
"Dumbass! You can get killed! We need to get out of here!"
"FINE! Don't be such a prick, sis…"
Kevin breaks in.
"Guys!! The closest bridge is the Brooklyn Bridge!! We should go now…"

Tom sighs and turns of Rec. Mode as they start heading to the bridge.
34 minutes later, they're now entering a disaster zone- dust and debris everywhere. Tom guesses that a building fell.
Cars are on fire and ambulances are seen all over the place. A cop tells them to keep moving, and Tom doesn't feel like talking to anyone right now, only taping the environment.
The trio is now on the bridge. Tom has another view of the SoL and tanker and proceeds to zoom in. He notices another guy with another video camera.
"You're still filming?" Asks the guy's companion.
"Yeah. People are gonna wanna know, you know, how it all went down." Replies the guy.

Tom considers this. Yup. People are gonna wanna know.


In Production: I'm still working on it, and it's not finished

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Well thanks for the credit ECW. I was scared about making this a topic into a new thread because the "sequel threads" are getting numerous and ridiculous.

I agree with OLIMANGO. My friend McLovin and i have thought about the same thing at times of this movie being a longer trailer for a movie thats gonna be huge but i really can't see the reality in that situation. Obviously JJ has made people rethink about how movies are done and marketed and if Cloverfield is a set up to something even bigger than he better get Tagruato and the other subjects from this ARE into the movie. I could appreciate a movie shown from someone elses POV but only if its from Tido or Ganu himself or maybe a head member of the military thats getting reports about where the monster is from.

It would be kick ass if he did decide to do two movies at the same time and i don't think that they would've needed paramounts greenlight because of two reasons.....

1: 30 million to make (not much in todays movie world where romances are costing at least 50 to 70 million)

2: The hype for this movie and the reaction of people like ourselves would have made a sequel a greenlight from the very beginning.

I lied there are actually 3 reasons...

3: Lets say that they were making two movies at once (with the writers strike going on it would make perfect sense btw) and the first one bombed. What money would've been lost on a sequel? Not much at all. From unknown actors to using handheld cameras, scratching a sequel that already has footage wouldn't be as costly as most might think. Remember, out of the 30 million that this movie cost, 20-22 million of that went into SFX so therefore making a sequel at the same time wouldn't have been such a risk.

Think of all the movies that get shelved even after the studio puts millions into it. The studio taking a risk on filming a sequel before the first movie comes out is very feasible especially when it would be so cheap to do and with no one knowing when the writers strike will end.

Finally i still think about how much money they made off of selling slusho shirts, hats etc and where that money went to.

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Also, hasn't it been comfirmed numerous times by numerous people involved that they would be more than happy to do a sequal if paramount greenlighted it(which they will, cloverfield made back its budget and more in the first 2 days in theaters)

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