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6slushos
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bizzle333 wrote:
in response to "reccasquirrel" (i didn't wanna quote your whole post)...

i considered your approach already. there is one major flaw with that theory though (i'm sure there are more if i analyze everything more thoroughly, but i'm lazy). rob announces on his blog on 2008.01.04 that he got offered the job with tagruato. the attack happens on 2009.05.23. that means they threw a going away party for him on 2009.05.22. what company do you know would offer someone a job and then wait 17 months before actually hiring them?

btw, 1-18-08.com is definitely off on it's timing. the pics from the party are timestamped after midnight with the date 1-18-08. but the myspace pages are timestamped before midnight with the date 1-18-08. it's impossible.


it isnt. thy could have done things before the party together, thats why the myspaces pages are still on the 18-08. but before midnight.

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6slushos wrote:
bizzle333 wrote:
in response to "reccasquirrel" (i didn't wanna quote your whole post)...

i considered your approach already. there is one major flaw with that theory though (i'm sure there are more if i analyze everything more thoroughly, but i'm lazy). rob announces on his blog on 2008.01.04 that he got offered the job with tagruato. the attack happens on 2009.05.23. that means they threw a going away party for him on 2009.05.22. what company do you know would offer someone a job and then wait 17 months before actually hiring them?

btw, 1-18-08.com is definitely off on it's timing. the pics from the party are timestamped after midnight with the date 1-18-08. but the myspace pages are timestamped before midnight with the date 1-18-08. it's impossible.


it isnt. thy could have done things before the party together, thats why the myspaces pages are still on the 18-08. but before midnight.


dude. are you being serious? please tell me you're not.

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yes. movie says attack wasnt on 1-18-08. but the myspace says attack is on 1-18-08. why does it not? the party was 18-08 as stated on their blog entries and all.


BZZZT. WRONG.

They're going to a different kind of party.
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Rusty wrote:
6slushos wrote:
yes. movie says attack wasnt on 1-18-08. but the myspace says attack is on 1-18-08. why does it not? the party was 18-08 as stated on their blog entries and all.


BZZZT. WRONG.

They're going to a different kind of party.


so youre saying on 1-18-08 (real-time) they were going to a different party than is represented by the 1-18-08 on 1-18-08.com?

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bizzle333 wrote:
Rusty wrote:
6slushos wrote:
yes. movie says attack wasnt on 1-18-08. but the myspace says attack is on 1-18-08. why does it not? the party was 18-08 as stated on their blog entries and all.


BZZZT. WRONG.

They're going to a different kind of party.


so youre saying on 1-18-08 (real-time) they were going to a different party than is represented by the 1-18-08 on 1-18-08.com?


Yes.
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bizzle333 wrote:
in response to "reccasquirrel" (i didn't wanna quote your whole post)...

i considered your approach already. there is one major flaw with that theory though (i'm sure there are more if i analyze everything more thoroughly, but i'm lazy). rob announces on his blog on 2008.01.04 that he got offered the job with tagruato. the attack happens on 2009.05.23. that means they threw a going away party for him on 2009.05.22. what company do you know would offer someone a job and then wait 17 months before actually hiring them?

btw, 1-18-08.com is definitely off on it's timing. the pics from the party are timestamped after midnight with the date 1-18-08. but the myspace pages are timestamped before midnight with the date 1-18-08. it's impossible.

I don't read the Myspace pages so it might have been spelled out already but...

The party in the movie was because Rob got a VP position with a "Japanese Company".

My wife actually theorizes that Rob is going into Deep Cover as a member of TIDOwave. Being hired would be the first step, getting to a high position would be another.

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 		omg, im really confused.
why is the party on 1-18-08.com different from the one they said they were going on myspace?

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 		Hopefully this will settle things:

Rob's Comment From Hud's Myspace (date 1-18-08 ) :

"That sounds awesome, actually. However, Grimes randomly invited me to see My Fair Lady, he got some free tickets or something. What time are you starting?"

Rob in the movie (at the party):

"When he said My Fair Lady... I was like.... really?"

1-18-08 in our time is definitely the same day as the party.

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 		The timeline in the meta-viral-experience-thingy we've all come to know and love is separate from the movie. The movie has only one date in it's own timeline...May 23rd.(and the last mins of May 22nd).

The viral stuff leads up to the release date of 1-18-08. This makes sense to separate the 2 for non-ARG participants.

Basically what I am saying is to forget the timelines here. They mean nothing and won't be linked to any sort of deep metaphysical connection.
Read the article in that Load Magazine thread posted just now. I may help articulate what I'm trying to get at.

Peace.

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bizzle333
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reccasquirrel wrote:
bizzle333 wrote:
in response to "reccasquirrel" (i didn't wanna quote your whole post)...

i considered your approach already. there is one major flaw with that theory though (i'm sure there are more if i analyze everything more thoroughly, but i'm lazy). rob announces on his blog on 2008.01.04 that he got offered the job with tagruato. the attack happens on 2009.05.23. that means they threw a going away party for him on 2009.05.22. what company do you know would offer someone a job and then wait 17 months before actually hiring them?

btw, 1-18-08.com is definitely off on it's timing. the pics from the party are timestamped after midnight with the date 1-18-08. but the myspace pages are timestamped before midnight with the date 1-18-08. it's impossible.

I don't read the Myspace pages so it might have been spelled out already but...

The party in the movie was because Rob got a VP position with a "Japanese Company".

My wife actually theorizes that Rob is going into Deep Cover as a member of TIDOwave. Being hired would be the first step, getting to a high position would be another.


thats a neat theory. but that still doesnt account for all the holes in the chronology of the website vs. the movie vs. the myspace pages.

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OliMango wrote:
bizzle333 wrote:
Rusty wrote:
6slushos wrote:
yes. movie says attack wasnt on 1-18-08. but the myspace says attack is on 1-18-08. why does it not? the party was 18-08 as stated on their blog entries and all.


BZZZT. WRONG.

They're going to a different kind of party.


so youre saying on 1-18-08 (real-time) they were going to a different party than is represented by the 1-18-08 on 1-18-08.com?


Yes.


well thats a pretty ridiculous notion. the only way that will ever be supported by any kind of logic is if the characters start logging back into their myspace. and even then, that wont account for how they could go to a party on friday 1-18-08 and still be partying, AFTER MIDNIGHT, with a timestamp that says 1-18-08. nor will that explain why theyd celebrate rob going to work in japan 17 MONTHS after he is offered the job.

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 		The simplest explaination for the indescrepency is that we were never suppose to pay attention to the dates of the post becuase, the myspace page like all the websites were just to generate hype for the movie, it wouldnt make sense to make a myspace page for a character in the movie in 2009, we are just suppose to pretend that all the myspace pages take place in 2009.

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LionHeaRT
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6slushos wrote:
reccasquirrel wrote:
I can't believe no one has noticed this yet...

Movie clearly shows Saturday May 23. This seems to be a pretty cut and dry statement about the date of the attack... ignoring that for a moment.

Lets look at the Myspace updates:
HUD to ROB - Jan 18 2008 4:03 PM
hey man. do you have any like, plans for tonight? cuz I was thinking of watching the complete 7th season of buffy, if you're in

ROB to HUD - Jan 18 2008 4:08 PM
That sounds awesome, actually. However, Grimes randomly invited me to see My Fair Lady, he got some free tickets or something. What time are you starting?

HUD to ROB - Jan 18 2008 4:13 PM
Time is an illusion, Rob. Lunchtime doubly so.

JAMIE blog post - Jan 18 2008 4:13 PM - Current mood: energetic
SOMEONE is seeing me naked tonight - and his name won't be Teddy. Tonight is all about me having fun as a free, single, sexy young woman. This is the start of a new era, I can feel it.

LILY blog post - January 18, 2008 4:35 PM - Current mood: stressed
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ICE BUCKET!?!? - Ahhhhihateboystheyarelazyanddon'thelpahhhhh!

BETH to LIL - Jan 18 2008 4:39 PM
Alright, I think I'm still gonna come. I might be late, though.


Okay... so there's a party going. This, many people are calling the party that we see in the movie. Granted- (sorry, a certain webpage just roared at me and I lost my train of thought for a second)

Granted, it makes a whole lot of sense to attribute this party to the party in the movie because of that website 1-18-08 which started this whole ARG.

But wait a second... go back and look at the dates on the pictures of 1-18-08.com Take, for example, the one with the military running through the streets. That picture has a Date/Time stamp of 1-18-08 1:24 AM. Now lets go back to that Myspace post. Hud invites Rob to watch Buffy with him on the 18th at 4:00 PM.

And, of course the newspost on Tagruato Corp is a 1/18/08 news piece which couldn't be if the attacks starting in the early AM.

So the movie says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
So the Myspace entries says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
So the news on Taguato Corp says the attack wasn't on 1/18/08.
Only the picture date/time stamps on 1/18/08 says it was on 1/18/08.

To invoke Occam's Razor, the most logical explanation is that the Myspace, Tagruato, and Movie were correct and that it is 1-18.08.com that must be wrong.



yes. movie says attack wasnt on 1-18-08. but the myspace says attack is on 1-18-08. why does it not? the party was 18-08 as stated on their blog entries and all.


Also, none of the myspaces have been logged on since 1-18-08.

It just doesn't make sense that they would make everything about 1-18-08, and then the actual attack in may, cutting off the ARG (so it seems) after 1-18-08 when the attack in movie time hasn't happened yet.

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bizzle333
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Whitenoise wrote:
The simplest explaination for the indescrepency is that we were never suppose to pay attention to the dates of the post becuase, the myspace page like all the websites were just to generate hype for the movie, it wouldnt make sense to make a myspace page for a character in the movie in 2009, we are just suppose to pretend that all the myspace pages take place in 2009.


that seems to be less of an explanation to me and more of an excuse. the movie could have easily been rescripted to center around the release date of 1-18-08 and the corresponding activity of the characters on myspace. and the timestamping from the official site could have been done correctly too.

i think my point is that the whole thing was handled really poorly.

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 		Concurrent timeline ...
Not "real-time" ...
I think the 1.18pics & the Myspace "dates" are scewin' people up - I consider things this way ...
* Not even JJ can post-date Myspace comments
* The website/timestamps @ 1.18.08.com, comparatively, advertise the premiere date more than the plot/backstory

Once I disregarded those time stamps and accepted the events don't take place in "real-time" or on 1.18.08, thingz
seem to fit snug ... the events just couldn't have happened before May of 2008 (at the earliest) ...

So let's break it down ...
1.18.08.com pics
Inconsistent timestamps compared to the video - used mainly to generate buzz for the date of the premiere.

Slusho.jp
Suggests Slusho!'s advertising campaign is aligning with Rob's Myspace activity & job timeline, etc..

Myspace dates
Not actually happening "real-time" (forgiven - can't predate Myspace comments, etc..)
Runs concurrently to most other content ...

Jamie vidz
Could have happened real-time with the exception of the last "I'm scrumpin' whatz hiz head & you can't touch deez /
Lil's throwin' a surprise party / I'm all cracked out on Slusho!," vid. This scenario can even entertain a, portion controlled,
five month Seabed Nectar addiction - for those who can agree on May 22/23, 2008 as the year of the attack.

Tagruato.jp
Works concurrently with Jamie vidz, TIDOWave blogs, release of Chuai vidz, Rob's Myspace commentz, etc..
(Conveniently enough, TPTB stopped dating headlines in mid/late December '07 ...)

TIDOWave
Lines up perdy good ...

I think of the 1.18.08 pics as premiere date advertising, more than anything else. Other than that, the rest of
the content fits pretty well, as if it's all taking place concurrently, but not "real-time". Apparently the time is between
10/13/06 and May ... what - 22nd, 23rd - of any year from 2008 onward ? If we say 2008, we get a nice 5 month hiatus
to regroup - and that means so does TIDOWave ...

TPTB stopped dating Tag. entries on Dec. 22nd, '07 & they stopped releasing TIDO entries on the Jan. 17, '08. I think the Tag.
& TIDO entries work fine, don't they ? If you can accept the potential/minimum "5 month" hiatus between the 5th & 11th Jamie vid -
it can all run concurrently. TIDO's "Call To Action" (Dec. 10, 2007) lines up with Jamie's Dec. 9th 2007 vid, etc ...

Some people are like, "Tidowave dates say January so does that mean they just don't post for four months?" or"Was Ganu in NYC the
night of the party/attack?"

Ganu may have been there, but we have nothing but left over "I thought this ARG wuz in real-time" to help substantiate that
possibility. The headline "Yoshida Brings Happy Flavor to Big Apple" can be fitted with a date inbetween 12/22/08 and 2/1/08 .
The game was in real time until somewhere around Dec. 2007 ... then we need to shift.

Maybe this'll help ...
Tagruato
* Hatsui Satellite Works for the Futura
* Update:
* An Open Letter from Ganu Yoshida
* Kaitei No Mitsu Approved for US Distribution
* Yoshida Brings Happy Flavor to Big Apple
* Ganu Fights Off Attackers

None of those headlines have specific dates, and all of them take place between 12/22/07 & 5/22/08 (earliest year possible).

I think you'd be on point saying, "everything between tag and tido just stands still" - TIDO's last post says ...
Quote:
Horns down. If we go quiet, it won't be permanent. May the great mother protect her servants in their greatest time of need. She guides our hands.


Soundz like a time out - if they "go quiet" it "won't be permanent". If they kept it up @ that point tho, Ganu's ninjas woulda
layed the smack down fo rill ...

Altho they did stop assigning titles to their blogs, TIDOWave has all blogs dated, with the last date being Jan. 17, 2008.
I think the dates here all work well and, in fact, they help isolate the date of the Chuai incident to some time between
12/18/07 and 1/1/08 .

That also puts the date of the Tagruato headline "Update:" in between 12/18/07 and 1/1/08.

So ...
Tagruato
* Smilers! at the Fish Market! - 12/22/07 (fo sho)
* Hatsui Satellite Works for the Futura - between 12/22/07 - 1/1/08
* Update: - 12/22/07 and 1/1/08
* An Open Letter from Ganu Yoshida 12/22/08 - 2/1/08
* Kaitei No Mitsu Approved for US Distribution 12/22/08 - 2/1/08
* Yoshida Brings Happy Flavor to Big Apple 12/22/08 - 2/1/08
* Ganu Fights Off Attackers - apprx. 2/1/08 @ the latest (a couple/few weeks after 12/22/07 - 1/1/08)
Ganu Fights Off Attackers wrote:
..... Tagruato security officials believe these may be the same attackers who caused the Chuai Station incident weeks prior .....


lol - I don't know if this is helpin' at all or if some are disappointed by the idea that TPTB did all this knowing there was going to be a
four month gap ... I'm hopin' they aligned the timeline that way to allow for new content - gives 'em a few more months to work it out.
Otherwise they could've just let the events in the movie fall on 1.18.08. Beth & Rob's buried Coney Island footage could've still remained
in April '07 without a hitch, no?

Most of us can agree some of the "real-time" deliveries, like the 1.18.08 timestampz, were played on for advertising purposes.
I think the Myspace/Dec. 9th Jamie vid/1.18.08 timestamps - basically all the "real-time" deliveries - were also hyped up and
played on to assist the hand held camcorder style's approach in acheiving that "OMG/ONOZ, a real monstza!" vibe.

Sorry so long & scattered guyz/galz ...

But, yeah - TPTB were gonna make it less confusing somehow - but JJ would have no part in it ...
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