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[darkgoob]

Completely ridiculous: SD card can't be recorded over

[Saiyan King]

so youre telling me you can suspend your disbelief for a monster the size of a skyscraper attacking new york with a bunch of crab lice things going crazy all over the place, but you cant for the fact that in their reality theyre might be such a thing as a sd card that can be recorded over? remember a few year ago there wasnt such a thing as cd-rw. but now there is, its called progress

[kylegumby]

Re: Completely ridiculous: SD card can't be recorded over

[darkgoob]

Yeah you're right, Panasonic cameras use SD cards and some have a night view. But it's besides the point.

The characters clearly say "tape" which is the only medium that can be recorded over. But given the length of the video this is impossible.

Now after all the posts in which people are looking for a crazy explanation of this movie regarding Slusho or whatever, nobody has looked at the simple fact that this movie is supposed to be a dream that some character is having.

The fact that it says "SD card" at the beginning, but was clearly filmed on tape through the movie, is proof that this is not supposed to be something that actually happened, but is supposed to be a nightmare that the main character is having caused by the anxiety of going to Japan to be the vice president of a company and leaving behind the woman that he loves.

-=DG=-

[TheAirman]

The fact that the characters said it was a "tape" doesn't mean anything.

Tapes were the first medium used to film on, and were so (in regards to personal recorders) for upwards of 40 years. It etched it's way into our lingo.

I don't own a VCR. I can say that I want to tape the Super Bowl (which I won't. Hail to the Redskins.), but everyone knows that I am saying that I want to record it. The media used isn't important.

[cowboyfromhell]

Well I'm not nitpickin over the movie about anyting.I fuckin loved it.I just want to know more about the backstory.All the mysteries that lie before us.I don't care what he recorded it on.I can let that slide.I want to know more bout Tag,T.I.D.O.,Slusho,Teddy,DSN,MGP's origins,all that jive.As many have said, gotta have a little suspension of belief.It's all in fun.

[darkgoob]

But you are all assuming that the fact that this plot inconsistency exists is unimportant and should be overlooked. What if you are wrong?

What if this is an intentional plot inconsistency that is meant to indicate that the movie is supposed to be a dream?

Since all SD-card based cameras use the FAT32 file system. You CANNOT record over previous recordings. And remember the main character (whose camera it is, and who knows all the features of the camera) specifically asks "did you take the tape out?" Because in his mind there needed to be a new blank tape be put into the camera. This PROVES that it was a tape-based camera.

But no tape-based consumer camcorder has a +63-minute time. And the SD Card thing at the beginning would be false information.

Oh and don't B.S. me with the common fallacious platitudes that my argument is invalid "because it's a movie" or "because it's fiction."

DUH it's fiction. But any movie or work of fiction is open to criticism regarding the plot consistency.

There are certain things that you can allow for, such as "OK, this is a monster movie," which are genre things. But if the monster had six legs in one shot, and four legs in another shot, then you could say "this is a lame monster movie." And you couldn't criticize anyone saying, "you're nit-picking," because the monster is the major part of the movie.

Likewise, you cannot criticize me for nit-picking, because this is a movie of the "filmed by the characters" genre (like Blair Witch). The basis of this kind of movie is that it was filmed by the characters. This is *supposed* to give a greater feeling of reality to the film.

However, the fact that it could not have been made with any camera that exists, and that it said SD card at the beginning and yet the characters say "tape," and the fact it was recorded over a previous recording indicates "tape," all together proves that either (a) the filmmakers (who themselves know cameras better than anyone) are complete morons or, (b) it was an intentional plot inconsistency meant to draw attention to the fact that it was not meant to be taken as a reality but as a dream. I.e. it's a dream one of the characters was having, and is a play on the genre of "reality P.O.V." films.

-=DG=-

[Euchre]

Answer me this...
When an HD DV camcorder does record to SD and it's recording to a true HD DV quality, does it save it as the more raw type of HD DV stream it uses on DV tapes and HDD cams? If the actual footage is a raw stream of some sort, even with the file table information on the card (much like how an audio CD works), one could manage to record over it in stretches like that.

The video cameras I see that use SD and make individual files on them are usually recording to much less than DV quality and creating WMV or ASF files, or the SD is only used to store stills. My own el cheapo DV video camera uses only an SD card, but only takes to MPEG encoded files with an ASF extension. They're nowhere near HD quality.

[darkgoob]

Oh and BTW I'm not saying I did not enjoy the movie. I don't know why you would think I did not enjoy it.

I'm just saying that this is an important fact, that the movie has to have been a dream.

because I refuse to believe that the filmmakers would have overlooked such a major flaw in this movie, since they are camera people.

It has to have been intentional. Which means the movie was a dream.

[Psych]

What I've assumed is that within the movie, in the story, is that they are recording onto a tape. What we are supposed to be watching is a transferred-to-SD Department of Defense copy. It never said in the opening that it was a recovered SD card. The opening said Document #Something etc., and that it was a digital SD card. The DoD document is the SD. It then says that the camera was retrieved, not an SD card.

[darkgoob]

[darkgoob]

[alptraum]

I'm with you as far as the tech stuff goes (the digital media they referred to won't have "tape over" moments like they did). I think it was pretty much a plot device though. I don't think it was intended as a dream. I think they just played pretty loose with how the stuff actually works.

[m0r1arty]

I'm with darkgoob on this one.

It's not fair for the film to be fiction sometimes and IG other times when discussing it.

The film, as a whole, represents the end of an experience which was created to be investigated.

As for the SD card darkgoob. It states it is an SD card whenever the US military info is up on screen, the "Case designated Cloverfield" part.

I'd say the military have taken back-ups of the original footage which were on film, and in this particular instance we are watching a copy from an SD card. Nothing more.

Else Hud would had to have put all the Cloverfield stuff there at the beginning of the recording, and that's not likely.

I've no idea what camera could shoot for the whole movie, but Reeves did state in an interview at some point in December that the movie was shot on 3 separate, different type cameras whilst being portrayed in the film as being only 1. So the HD part might be dropped from the required specifications as that's really for us, the cinema goers, to appreciate. which opens up the possibilities of the model quite alot.

Good eye on catching it though. so it appears the military use SD cards to back-up archive footage.

-m0r

EDIT: Ninja'd

[Psych]