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Clementine
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ThisProteanSoul wrote:
I don't miss the laughter because I think it's as present as ever, or must be damn close to it. ^_^


Have I mentioned lately how much I adore you? -squeezehug!-
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:54 pm
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Fusebox
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After re-reading Nikki's post, I'd like to apologize for any contribution I've made to the tension and uncomfortable atmosphere that's been around lately.

I'll try to be more aware of my voice and how I use it. Smile

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satims
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Thank you for posting that Nikki. I am glad you were comfortable enought o express your opinions. I think all of us need a reminder sometimes on paying attention to how we treat others. I love you all!

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IronJ146
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Incoming rant...
...can someone help me move this soapbox?

A few uncollected thoughts on this:
This comes up about once every month and a half or so almost like clockwork. Things happen that not everyone agrees with and passion replaces rationale. Everyone audits their own actions for mistakes and then looks around for more. This point in the story is about the most intense we've experienced thus far...I dare say since the initial Korp hack that happened pre-rabbit hole. It's gonna be impactive, and I suspect will become more so as we progress.
The personnel has turned over about 3 times now, so as group dynamics shift, there's gonna be a galvanization period where people learn to work together. It happens in any group project, and since there's no paradigm for problem solving on this journey and it's evoked a greater emotional investment to participate in than a lot of us expected, then there's gonna be conflict.
Look; There is no poison. There is no cancer. No community's gonna willfully hold hands with each other and love they neighbor to the right as they do the one to their left. I can't imagine how many people find me obnoxious, and there are people I don't care for either, but it's not just me writing this story so that's something you swallow and move along with.
Are things different then when they started? Fuck yes they are. I'm not the same person I was 6 months ago, nor was that person the same as when I was 21, 14, or 6 years old. Change is imminent, and especially on a long journey like this. It's not a 2 or 3 month ARG.
You are not on this trek alone. Is this what I personally signed up for? Not exactly, but I'm glad did. Going left, right, over, and under is stressful, yes, but that's a part of it. Not everyone's gonna like and laugh with each other, but maybe there in lies a lesson in itself.
So, that being said, know these things are gonna happen. Is is anyone's fault in particular? No, so wondering if you're the problem or someone else is will not fix anything. Patience, patience, patience, Haitians, patience...sunlight follows every storm.

Note: This is to all of you, not just anyone in particular.

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satims
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Well said Iron. I remember pre-rabbit whole going through these kinds of issues a lot. We will be fine. I think it is great that we are able to talk about it and express our feelings like this. I think it is good to do that from time to time.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:02 pm
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Ashra26
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Agreed.

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nbnewell
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I am not referring to the Queen chat or even the arguments regarding opinions... I do understand that the group is dynamic, as it should be. That is part of the purpose of the journey, to leave it different and hopefully better than when we started. I am also not here to call anyone to the carpet. I did not point fingers or name names.

What upsets me is the personal attacks that are occurring in the main room, no matter how subtle. Not one of my concerns have been how the passengers have played the game. Your journey is your business.

I am all for a good debate and sharing ideas, and agree that we are all not going to like each other all the time. This isn't Disneyworld. We have all gotten on each others nerves at one time or another.

Granted, how we conduct ourselves is up to us individually, but by the same token, I do have the right to vent my feelings and frustrations as well, and my previous post was an attempt at doing so without alienating anyone.

So from now on, here is my..

Plege to my fellow passengers:

I will not demean your opinions or ideas by calling them stupid or making disparaging/sarcatic remarks, but I reserve the right to disagree.

I will not berate you or attempt to force my ideas or opinions on you but would like the opportunity to share my reasonings in a calm debate.

I will not make snitty, childish remarks when you leave the room, no matter the circumstances.

If I have an issue with something you do or say, I will ask to speak with you about it in PM in a reasonable fashion rather than call you out in the group, and expect the same in return.

I reserve the right to not comment on anything until I have had time to calmy rationalize the situation, so I don't lash back out of anger and frustration and ask that you respect that decision.

I will treat your ideas, opinions, beleifs and feelings with the same respect as I revere my own, no matter my personal feelings for you at the time.

This I do out of respect for EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

Nikki

Take this for what you want. I realize many of you will take it for a joke, just as some of you have chosen to flame me for my post. Again, they are my feelings and all I have asked is that I have a chance to make them known and that you respect the fact that I have them. In doing so, I had expected that in return you would respectfully respond rather than accuse me of whining or beating a dead horse. I am not trying to force anything on anyone. If you don't like what I say, don't read it. I acknowledge that you have that right. I also have the right to ask that you reply to me with respect and treat me with the dignity I am attempting to extend to you.

Edited to add: Thank you to those of you who have treated me with respect regarding this, even if you haven't seen the same thing or dissagree.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:47 pm
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ThisProteanSoul
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Clementine wrote:
Have I mentioned lately how much I adore you? -squeezehug!-


I will say NO, just so I get more Sarah lovin's! Very Happy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:49 pm
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I didn't see anyone flame you and I certainly hope no one does. I think you made valid points and I know we all appreciate you.

I think your pledge list is perfect.



nbnewell wrote:
I am not referring to the Queen chat or even the arguments regarding opinions... I do understand that the group is dynamic, as it should be. That is part of the purpose of the journey, to leave it different and hopefully better than when we started. I am also not here to call anyone to the carpet. I did not point fingers or name names.

What upsets me is the personal attacks that are occurring in the main room, no matter how subtle. Not one of my concerns have been how the passengers have played the game. Your journey is your business.

I am all for a good debate and sharing ideas, and agree that we are all not going to like each other all the time. This isn't Disneyworld. We have all gotten on each others nerves at one time or another.

Granted, how we conduct ourselves is up to us individually, but by the same token, I do have the right to vent my feelings and frustrations as well, and my previous post was an attempt at doing so without alienating anyone.

So from now on, here is my..

Plege to my fellow passengers:

I will not demean your opinions or ideas by calling them stupid or making disparaging/sarcatic remarks, but I reserve the right to disagree.

I will not berate you or attempt to force my ideas or opinions on you but would like the opportunity to share my reasonings in a calm debate.

I will not make snitty, childish remarks when you leave the room, no matter the circumstances.

If I have an issue with something you do or say, I will ask to speak with you about it in PM in a reasonable fashion rather than call you out in the group, and expect the same in return.

I reserve the right to not comment on anything until I have had time to calmy rationalize the situation, so I don't lash back out of anger and frustration and ask that you respect that decision.

I will treat your ideas, opinions, beleifs and feelings with the same respect as I revere my own, no matter my personal feelings for you at the time.

This I do out of respect for EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

Nikki

Take this for what you want. I realize many of you will take it for a joke, just as some of you have chosen to flame me for my post. Again, they are my feelings and all I have asked is that I have a chance to make them known and that you respect the fact that I have them. In doing so, I had expected that in return you would respectfully respond rather than accuse me of whining or beating a dead horse. I am not trying to force anything on anyone. If you don't like what I say, don't read it. I acknowledge that you have that right. I also have the right to ask that you reply to me with respect and treat me with the dignity I am attempting to extend to you.

Edited to add: Thank you to those of you who have treated me with respect regarding this, even if you haven't seen the same thing or dissagree.


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WhyWouldIStop
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I pledge to the same. =]

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teh_lisa
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I agree with a lot of what has been said and wanted to add one more thing. Part of this journey is learning. It may be learning about yourself, about someone else, information, or it may, and should, be learning from your mistakes as well as OUR mistakes as a group. We are all human. The worst thing we could do, however, would be to not do anything differently the next time around.

Like Fe said, we go through this a lot. Just like we go through a lot of other situations over and over. All we can do is try to learn from the past.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:19 pm
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Ashra26
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I would also like take Nikki's pledge. Respect and Be respected. Very Happy

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Psyche Atun
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Location: Ethereal plane.

-This isn't a bridge that's been burned. There's a tense situation that's brought out some bad feelings, but through pain comes growth. This can bring us closer together. Having this happen may have shown us something that we might have missed otherwise.

Now is the time to support each other, and work towards something greater than any single person in it.-

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redct
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As you can tell, I really haven't been around too much. I've been kind of out of Silverladder, but, if I have caused any kind of problems, please talk to me. Smile

(p.s. I miss IRC)
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Taluria
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I definitely agree, Nikki... I know I can cause problems sometimes, but I'll try to be more mature when I can.

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