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nbnewell
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 Dissapointed

This is something I have needed to get off my chest, and am choosing to do it in here. I think that if I expressed this in vent, with emotions as heightened as they are, some people would take it as being confrontational. I am actually deeply saddened.

Lately the atmosphere of both uF and vent have become combative and uncomfortable. I thought that we were the type of community where we agreed to allow each other their opinions in a respectful venue. But lately, the group as a whole as become intolerant and down right sarcastic and snarky. There are those that have chosen to stop attending rather than voice their opinions because the atmosphere is becoming poisonous. There those who are so vehement in their ideas that they are unwilling to listen to anyone elses and then bash those they don't agree with.

Is this what this is supposed to be? A little drama in the journey and we become this? Even more disappointing is that the worst offenders are the ones who in the past have been the most vocal about respecting each others opinions.

I miss the comeraderie we had, whether Jonah was in or not.

I can tell you, this is NOT the passenger community I joined back in September. This is NOT the journey I wish to take. And this is NOT the Alternate reality that I signed up for.

I came here for SilverLadder. I stayed for the community. If we can't be the group we once were when Jonah is unavailable, than what kind of group are we? In all honesty, we may be more interactive with the deck than most, but in my eyes, we are no longer the core.

The core was open minded and eager to learn. The core was tolerant of different personality types, thrived on those differences and used those differences to achieve our goals. THAT was our strength. Acknowledging each others strengths and accepting each others weaknesses.

I am sad to see that gone, and I am not so sure that we can get it back.

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Re: Dissapointed

I do hope I've not contributed to this, Nikki. I share this view with you -- I miss the laughter.
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WhyWouldIStop
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I also hope I'm not one of the people you're talking about.
But I'm almost never on vent for similar, yet at the same time altogether different, circumstances.

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ThisProteanSoul
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Honestly, I haven't even seen much of this. Obviously, there were a lot of tense emotions and 'fighting' on the night of the AIM chat with the Queen -- but it seemed to me like we all realized what went wrong and settled down since then. There's been the usual little disagreements and annoyances that happen all the time and couldn't really be avoided, but I didn't think it was more elevated than usual.

I don't miss the laughter because I think it's as present as ever, or must be damn close to it. ^_^

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I haven't spotted any meanness either - I thought we were more or less working together this week. But then I'm not very perceptive that way. Don't leave, anyway!
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I think Dom said it best in the chat log from this week. I think the Aces let us be tested and we failed. They sat back to see how we would work together without our leader (Jonah). We succeeded and failed. The failure was all the bickering and the way the chat with the queen turned into a meltdown and name calling contest. How do we ever expect to succeed in this if we can't get along for a week without a card to guide us? We need to get back to the patience and respect we were showing each other when he was still here.

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I still say that our only failure was the actual AIM chat, and I think that that's all Dom meant as well. I think we've worked together fine otherwise and there is just as much respect as ever. Jonah was never there in Vent all the time to moderate us -- we've always worked things out on our own, for the most part. One mistake doesn't mean that everything has exploded and we're failing.

I think it's nearly as damaging to continuously hear people essentially say that we're sucking without Jonah around. I don't think it's in the least bit true and it undermines all of us.

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I still miss him.

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I'm sorry if my thing about the aces test came across bad. I didn't mean anything negative by it. Just thinking about what 2d said in that chat.

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ThisProteanSoul wrote:
I think it's nearly as damaging to continuously hear people essentially say that we're sucking without Jonah around. I don't think it's in the least bit true and it undermines all of us.


I agree. A lot of us are being too hard on ourselves.
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I don't think that sense of camaraderie is gone forever. I think the AIM Chat with the Queen was just the catalyst. People weren't thinking at the time and let their mouths run loose. Each person felt they were doing what needed to be done and not necessarily thinking about the passengers AS A WHOLE.

We didn't have a system in place so everyone took it upon themselves to be their own nation.

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Well, I still hope he comes back.

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I think we can bring it back.. I know we can. We all care about each other and this experience too much. I think sometimes we have to keep in mind that the deck isn't really trying to hurt us, byt the things that happen. This is a journey and an experience. We are meant to learn something and I have faith things will work out ok. I think our failures and conflicts are fueled mostly by our passion for this whole experience. If anything we need to remind ourselves we are in this together and not to let our emotions take over. I hope I am making sense.

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Perfect sense, Michelle.
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I hope also I am not one of which you speak Nikki. I have not seen anything I would really consider out of the ordinary. I understand emotions are running high and people have little patience this week and as such may get a little testy. But I have not seen anything that cannot be come back from. I still see the community that brought me here. The smiles and laughter and the help. We're only human and I think we are still one. We are friends and a family of sorts. Both have their spats, but I do not see destruction. I know we all love Jonah but he's not necessarily the glue that holds us together. We are. He's a beloved friend and one of the causes we just happen to be fighting for at the moment.

I don't know how much my opinion is worth, but there it is.

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