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MageSteff
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 		Re: Chess notation reference
dishboy wrote:
By the way, I realize we've been throwing lots of jargon around and I'm not sure anyone has posted a place where people new to the game of chess could pick up on this stuff. Well to be honest I was not familiar with this notation either, so I went looking and found this. I think it sums up what you need to know about this notation pretty nicely, although to understand some of it you will need to understand the game of chess:

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_chess_notation


Think Tank thread also has a couple of links to chess dictionaries.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:29 am
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Ehsan
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 		We were playing with reggie a while ago and based on the moves he is playing this might be the game:

http://www.angelfire.com/on/anticomputer/gmg15.html

It made sense since "The Turk" was the most famous machine, and Deep Blue is the most famous machine in our time.. so I google for deep blue kasparov and there it was..

Kasparov won the game though.. Reggie plays white so if we follow this and he continues he will win.. but the Turk should be the machine.. hmm..

Anyway, the next time you play try to follow the game from the link and see what happens..


EDIT: It seems the Turk/DeepBlue connection is correct from this CNN story

The game was actually game 2 of the first match between the two.. this is the official site of the game

Still, this does not explain the moves he mentioned in chat. Those are different and we haven't figured them out yet. I guess this only solves the moves he actually plays.

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mysteryjones
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 		Kasparov
I was just at the Toronto Film Festival where they were showing a documentary called "Game Over", all about Kasparov and Deep Blue (and heavily featuring 'The Turk' as a metaphor). Very controversial film discussing Kasparov's theory that IBM may have 'fixed' the moves of Deep Blue. The most controversial move of all, was the fifth move in the second game, where 'white' (played by Deep Blue) moved its Queen to the side, instead of capturing the pawn that Kasparov placed in a vulnerable position. Apparently there's a TON of discussion about it online somewhere... Kasparov argued that it did not follow the computer's logic and couldn't have been made without outside intervention. This is the first game he lost and it plagued him throughout the match.

Just from memory, I believe the match went:
Game 1 - Kasparov
Game 2 - Deep Blue
Game 3 - Draw
Game 4 - Draw
Game 5 - Draw
Game 6 - Deep Blue

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enaxor
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 		[quote="addlepated"]Moves from tonight, I think the only addition is the castle:
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e5 e4 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5

e4 e5 Nf3 d4 Nc3 Be3 0-0




I don't think the two newest moves are possible the way Reggie has presented them. The castle notation 0-0 means to castle on the "King side" or "Short side". The Bishop on the King side can not move "Be3", but it can move Bd3. So either Reggie made a typo or he is trying to tell us something. Also, that move in order, should be a black move, but black can't castle either at this stage in the game.

I am new to this chess stuff, so if I'm wrong please tell me.
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dishboy
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enaxor wrote:
I don't think the two newest moves are possible the way Reggie has presented them. The castle notation 0-0 means to castle on the "King side" or "Short side". The Bishop on the King side can not move "Be3", but it can move Bd3. So either Reggie made a typo or he is trying to tell us something. Also, that move in order, should be a black move, but black can't castle either at this stage in the game.

I am new to this chess stuff, so if I'm wrong please tell me.



Everything you said is technically correct, but you've made an assumption here that the moves that he gives us must be possible in the order he gives us. I'm not sure this assumption is true. I've been looking at these moves for quite some time now, seeing how they play out on a board. The set of 8 moves which we assume to be the opening (e4, e5, Nc3, Nc6, d4, d5, Nf3, Nf6) DO work out nicely in sequence. However, after this, none of the other moves he has given us are possible next.

When addlepated added the "Be3" this became the only next possible move. But I'm not sure that it is next in sequence. Personally I think these moves are all part of one big game, not necessarily in the order he has given them to us, and that there's still more to be found from Turk. Maybe we have to do certain things while playing him, or say certain things, to get the rest out of him. I think this is why, when we asked caretaker what we could do last night to help, all he said was "Well, you could play chess with Reggie."

Anyways, just my thoughts...
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 		End Game
I believe that it may be a glance at a full game played out. If you check Reggie's blooger journal, you'll see that the move he states on there has a little + sign which indicates that the oppenents king is in check. we may need to rework our orderings.
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MageSteff
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 		Re: End Game
MidKnight978 wrote:
I believe that it may be a glance at a full game played out. If you check Reggie's blooger journal, you'll see that the move he states on there has a little + sign which indicates that the oppenents king is in check. we may need to rework our orderings.


It is easy to make "check" several times in a match, and not all are a "real threat." I checked Reggie early in one of the game played on the YIM environment, he could have moved out of check easily but resigned instead. Check does not mean it will be a definite checkmate, just that something must happen to take the King out of check, be it interposing another piece or moving the King. Not all checks are strong checks either, you can go way out on a limib to put the other man in Check only to lose the match because you over extended a few key pieces. Granted I am only a beginner level, I can't think more than one or two moves ahead, nor see the entire stratagy from beginning of the game to the end.

Ehsan thinks Reggie may be attempting to replay one of the Kasparov/Deep Blue games, which is possible, that game had 73 moves and so far in the games I have seen records of, Reggie is not moving more than 8 times. That could be important as well. This afternoon at lunch I caught up with Reggie in the Social Lounge, Ehsan played one game, Geist played twice and I played once. Reggie did give the e4 prompt, which I replied e5...
Nc3, Nf6 ...

I tried to get Reggie to talk about something else but he left at that point. Until we have the chess game figured out looks like Reggie is not talking, except for the chess moves. We need to find the correct order to put the ones we have in, and find the rest of the string, be it the Kasp/DB match or another one.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:01 pm
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 		The game that Reggie's playing, as opposed to chatting, is identical to that Kasparov/Deep Blue game. In case anyone gets to play chess with him again, try this sequence:

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1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 e6 3. g3 c5 4. Bg2 Nc6 5. O-O Nf6 6. c4 dc 7. Ne5 Bd7 8. Na3 cd 9. Na:c4 Bc5 10. Qb3 O-O 11. Q:b7 N:e5 12. N:e5 Rb8 13. Qf3 Bd6 14. Nc6 B:c6 15. Q:c6 e5 16. Rb1 Rb6 17. Qa4 Qb8 18. Bg5 Be7 19. b4 B:b4 20. B:f6 gf 21. Qd7 Qc8 22. Q:a7 Rb8 23. Qa4 Bc3 24. R:b8 Q:b8 25. Be4 Qc7 26. Qa6 Kg7 27. Qd3 Rb8 28. B:h7 Rb2 29. Be4 R:a2 30. h4 Qc8 31. Qf3 Ra1 32. R:a1 B:a1 33. Qh5 Qh8 34. Qg4+ Kf8 35. Qc8+ Kg7 36. Qg4+ Kf8 37. Bd5 Ke7 38. Bc6 Kf8 39. Bd5 Ke7 40. Qf3 Bc3 41. Bc4 Qc8 42. Qd5 Qe6 43. Qb5 Qd7 44. Qc5+ Qd6 45. Qa7+ Qd7 46. Qa8 Qc7 47. Qa3+ Qd6 48. Qa2 f5 49. B:f7 e4 50. Bh5 Qf6 51. Qa3+ Kd7 52. Qa7+ Kd8 53. Qb8+ Kd7 54. Be8+ Ke7 55. Bb5 Bd2 56. Qc7+ Kf8 57. Bc4 Bc3 58. Kg2 Be1 59. Kf1 Bc3 60. f4 ef 61. ef Bd2 62. f4 Ke8 63. Qc8+ Ke7 64. Qc5+ Kd8 65. Bd3 Be3 66. Q:f5 Qc6 67. Qf8+ Kc7 68. Qe7+ Kc8 69. Bf5+ Kb8 70. Qd8+ Kb7 71. Qd7+ Q:d7 72. B:d7 Kc7 73. Bb5


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As speculated the Kasparov/Deep Blue game was the way to go.

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