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[SKY][TRAILHEAD] The Sky Remains
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MrToasty
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
I don't see a problem with either, really....

Both ideally get you to the exact same post. However, it's my experience that if you reference it my way, the post you want always shows (first on page). The other way, the browser has a tendency to jump to the post onscreen before any images that may be above load, and then shifts after they load so you can't see the post linked.

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Pied Piper
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MrToasty wrote:
Both ideally get you to the exact same post. However, it's my experience that if you reference it my way, the post you want always shows (first on page). The other way, the browser has a tendency to jump to the post onscreen before any images that may be above load, and then shifts after they load so you can't see the post linked.


Actually, when I tried your link, I got to an entirely different page which didn't include your spoilered text. That's why I included the link I did. And when I used my method, it went straight to your post, which is the reason that *I* used my method. Funny, we were both trying for the same thing.

I'm using Firefox, too. I wonder why it did something screwy for me and not for you.

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carmenmiranda
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You guys are silly.

Personally, I think this puzzle is telling us the names of the new teletubbies. Lhpsy, wnaom, tenit et al.

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MrToasty
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Pied Piper wrote:
I'm using Firefox, too. I wonder why it did something screwy for me and not for you.

FF has been a little screwy for me lately, so who knows. I want to switch to FF 3 Beta, but it doesn't support most of my favorite add-ons yet. Sad

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natas
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i don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I'm trying to download all the videos from the game and put them on my youtube account to post on the wiki, but I'm fuddling something up and am not able to. Any help?

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typoartist22
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If anyone wants to check out this program:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/codegroup/

its supposed to decode 5-letter codes made with its program...but I'm on a mac. Might be worth seeing if the 5-letter "words" are from this code?? I'm running out of ideas!

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natas
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Ok, just to gather everything we have done so far, images, puzzles whatnot, until Pied Piper gets his wiki going, I did my usual thing on wikidot.com. http://theskyremains.wikidot.com

I could only get some of the videos, which I found odd since I used the same method for all of them. Anyway, I noticed after reading through the thread again, ms. Poliakov has an email address that hasn't been posted. Is there a reason for this, or can you post it on the wiki.

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carmenmiranda
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I have insomnia, and came downstairs, hoping that I would log on and one of you would have solved this last puzzle. Really, people, it's like you have lives or something. Priorities!

At any rate, here is where I am looking at the puzzle. I'm hoping one of you can tell me something I've missed:

We have four obviously related elements on the page. A grid, the word "distortion" with numbers over the letters and lined up with the grid, nine five-letter words, and an unfinished URL.

It seems obvious that we are looking for the URL, and that we will find this when we figure out what is in the blue boxes in the grid.

So, what remains is the relationship between the word "distortion" and the grid. Either figuring out the numbers over the letters will give us a clue to filling in the grid (or changing what's there), or vice-versa. I am leaning toward the former, because it is more logical.

In other words, Distortion numbers --> grid solving --> URL

Otherwise, I don't see any obvious reason for the numbers over distortion. Because the URL isn't going to be obtained by rearranging the letters in Distortion, it's going to come from the grid.

Probably unrelated things we haven't used include:

1. The "extra" letters in the error code at the top of the page
2. The numbers on the indexscrap, or any other clues found there

Am I missing anything?

EDIT: "extra" letters at the top of the page, and their color codes:

color-2: fttsdnS_eb_aD
color-3: _
color-4: r
color-5: s
color-6: s
color-7: t
color-8: c

Overall order is:
fttsd_rsstncS_eb_aD corresponding to color codes:
222223567282222222

The main letters are color-1 and color-0. That makes 9 different colors for the text, which may or may not be significant.

The RGB codes for these 9 are:

color-0:4, 2, 4
color-1:252, 254, 252
color-2: 252, 250, 252
color-3: 244, 246, 244
color-4: 4, 6, 4
color-5: 172, 174, 172
color-6: 36, 38, 36
color-7: 196, 198, 196
color-8: 60, 58, 60

EDIT: In case someone wants to try laying this over something, I've attached an image with each color in a new, bizarro color scheme. The ACTUAL colors are shades of grey, so it's not easy to tell which is which.

By the way, I forgot to say I'm on IE, and the highlights don't work, but fortunately I'm a geek. So this is for others without highlights who aren't as geeky. This is a lot of work for a potential red herring.
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natas
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Don't let me discourage you, but I don't think we have to use anything else but what is there at the bottom of the page. I tried turning the image on it's side so it reads left to right as per the arrow. This also gives us ten rows to work with so it would facilitate the use of the numbered boxes. Here is a pic. Maybe it will get some brain cells functioning this late at night.
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Pied Piper
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natas wrote:
Ok, just to gather everything we have done so far, images, puzzles whatnot, until Pied Piper gets his wiki going, I did my usual thing on wikidot.com. http://theskyremains.wikidot.com

I could only get some of the videos, which I found odd since I used the same method for all of them. Anyway, I noticed after reading through the thread again, ms. Poliakov has an email address that hasn't been posted. Is there a reason for this, or can you post it on the wiki.


Actually, Pied Piper is a she. *curtsies* And thank you for loading some of the stuff there, as I'll be able to snag anything I've missed.

Your problem snagging the videos could stem from one of two things, I think. One is that I don't think all of the videos are in the same format, and getting at some of the flash ones can be a little difficult. You can consult with carmenmiranda on that as she's savvy with that. Not saying you aren't, but I of course can't have any knowledge of your skill set, not knowing you personally.

The second thing may be a permissions issue. It is possible to prevent someone from snagging video content from a web page. It may be that this is what you are running into. In answer to someone's previous question, I actually did read the terms of service, and one of the things that they talk about is what we are allowed to use. You might want to check that page to see what they have to say about proprietary content. I've actually been snagging web addresses for the wiki, so you can click here to go directly to that page.

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Pied Piper
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I'm really, really stumped on this one

Okay, I know we're all stumped on this, but here are my problems with figuring out how "distortion" helps us with the grid.

Working under the assumption that the bottom row of the grid would contain the letters of the word "distortion," I have tried using elimination logic to figure out where all of the letters go. And the problem is, there is no way to get them to work, if we work by using the five letter groups as is starting from the bottom left and going up on the slant as the arrow points.

What I did was to figure out which of a five-letter group would fit into the bottom cells of the grid, if you get me. For the first one, obviously, it would be the first letter in the group. For the next one, starting at the bottom of the second slanted column, you'd need the second letter of a five-group.

So this is how it would go:

1 2 3 4 5 1 1 5 3 5

I can show this on a grid tomorrow for clarity. Anyway, the problem is that you can't get the letters in "distortion" to cooperate. I've tried this even by assuming that the left leaning groups are written right to left and the right-leaning groups are written left to right, and that doesn't work either.

I've also tried the non-slanted grid, and can't seem to get that one to work, either.

Unless anyone has any brain waves or we get another clue, I don't have any more ideas on this one. Tried the Playfair cipher as well, and that gave me even worse gobbledygook, unless I was totally doing it wrong.

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Shady
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I also have tried about every combination of fitting the words in to give the letters distortion at the bottom. I also wondered if they were not the actual words but some rotation cypher....but no. Why is this one so difficult???

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carmenmiranda
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Don't let me discourage you, but I don't think we have to use anything else but what is there at the bottom of the page.


I don't actually think so either. All of that stuff with the colors is really to make sure all bases are covered, but I think that the only thing we were supposed to gather from the text at the top of the page is the message. It seems a bit odd that there are a few letters in different shades, but I don't think that's significant to this puzzle.

My thoughts are that the arrow indicates either the direction the puzzle is to be turned, or the direction in which it is filled in (which amount to roughly the same thing) and that the numbers over the letters in "distortion" mean something along the lines of: shift everything in this row by 2, shift everything in this row by 3, shift everything in this row by 10".

If you fill in the grid just starting with lhpsyw, then naomte, going upwards, and then shift them alphabetically (so, for the 3 row, a=d), though, the last four blue letters end up being YRWU, which doesn't make much of a word.

It could also be "move them down by three" physically, which would mean that the 2 row, instead of being naomte would be tenaom. Or it could be completely unrelated.

I do feel, though, that there is probably some hint at how to find the numbers for the letters in "distortion," as we're not generally given a trial and error problem. I could be completely wrong about all of this, of course, but it seems to me like our first step is to figure out the numbers.

The thing that's great about these games, though, is that the greatest skill you learn is to be able to abandon any and all theories at the drop of a hat.

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nitefoll
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OK, this is melting my brain, so I started thinking about this differently.

As I'm more of a media monkey/visual type person than a hardcore cypher cracker (I'll leave that to the professionals Smile ) I started thinking about the arrow pointing upwards and wondered if it meant to shift the grid rather than the direction of the letters.

Obviously this is not a solve and I don't want to start a totally incorrect tangent, but what the hell, we're all stuck so maybe it'll give the brain cells a kick.
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dcthejoker
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I'm just as stuck as everyone else, but I thought I'd contribute my line of thought so far.

The ten boxes along the bottom row conveniently line up with the letters of 'distortion'. It might be reasonable to label these boxes with the numbers 1-10, from left to right. Given the direction the arrow points, it might also be reasonable to say that the boxes in the same diagonal as a numbered box are in the same group (so, the leftmost edge of the grid is group 1, and the lone box at the lower right of the grid is group 10). This is a different numbering scheme than was given by natas, but I think it is slightly more reasonable (though only slightly).

Given that there are numbers paired with some of the letters of 'distortion', it may further be reasonable to expect that the letter must appear in its corresponding group.

If the above is correct, it means that we have to figure out how the letters from the word units listed below the grid can be placed into the grid. For example, if the word units have to appear in the grid without being modified, 'tenit' would have to be placed such that the last 't' is in the lower right corner of the grid. But how would the rest of the word be placed in the grid?

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