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Pied Piper
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dcthejoker wrote:
I'm just as stuck as everyone else, but I thought I'd contribute my line of thought so far.

The ten boxes along the bottom row conveniently line up with the letters of 'distortion'. It might be reasonable to label these boxes with the numbers 1-10, from left to right. Given the direction the arrow points, it might also be reasonable to say that the boxes in the same diagonal as a numbered box are in the same group (so, the leftmost edge of the grid is group 1, and the lone box at the lower right of the grid is group 10). This is a different numbering scheme than was given by natas, but I think it is slightly more reasonable (though only slightly).

Given that there are numbers paired with some of the letters of 'distortion', it may further be reasonable to expect that the letter must appear in its corresponding group.

If the above is correct, it means that we have to figure out how the letters from the word units listed below the grid can be placed into the grid. For example, if the word units have to appear in the grid without being modified, 'tenit' would have to be placed such that the last 't' is in the lower right corner of the grid. But how would the rest of the word be placed in the grid?


That's actually what I was getting at with my rather convoluted message about fitting in the letters. I have tried the fitting in the letters several different ways, but there isn't a really obvious way of getting those letters in those bottom cells given where the letters are placed in each five letter group. If you figure that the letter in the tenth column is T, you're kind of stuck because you then can't manage to get a letter I in both the cells at the bottom of 2 and 3, unless you manage to do something else besides just fill in the letters from bottom to top and continue from bottom to top with any of the letter combinations.

nitefoll wrote:
I started thinking about the arrow pointing upwards and wondered if it meant to shift the grid rather than the direction of the letters.


I also tried this, but it doesn't solve all of the problems with fitting in those letters at the bottom of the grid, as I've mentioned above. And in my attempts thus far, I haven't managed to get anything comprehensible.

I think the grid itself isn't the problem. There's got to be something else we're missing. I was even wondering if the image below the puzzle could give us some clue, but I haven't figured out what that might be.

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Pied Piper wrote:
dcthejoker wrote:
...Given the direction the arrow points, it might also be reasonable to say that the boxes in the same diagonal as a numbered box are in the same group (so, the leftmost edge of the grid is group 1, and the lone box at the lower right of the grid is group 10).

...Given that there are numbers paired with some of the letters of 'distortion', it may further be reasonable to expect that the letter must appear in its corresponding group....


That's actually what I was getting at with my rather convoluted message about fitting in the letters. I have tried the fitting in the letters several different ways, but there isn't a really obvious way of getting those letters in those bottom cells given where the letters are placed in each five letter group. If you figure that the letter in the tenth column is T, you're kind of stuck because you then can't manage to get a letter I in both the cells at the bottom of 2 and 3, unless you manage to do something else besides just fill in the letters from bottom to top and continue from bottom to top with any of the letter combinations.

nitefoll wrote:
I started thinking about the arrow pointing upwards and wondered if it meant to shift the grid rather than the direction of the letters.


I also tried this, but it doesn't solve all of the problems with fitting in those letters at the bottom of the grid, as I've mentioned above. And in my attempts thus far, I haven't managed to get anything comprehensible.

I think the grid itself isn't the problem. There's got to be something else we're missing. I was even wondering if the image below the puzzle could give us some clue, but I haven't figured out what that might be.


What I said (or tried to say) is slightly different--that is, the letter can occur anywhere in the group, and not in the bottom-most grid slot. In this manner, it's quite easy to fit an I in group 2 and another I in group 3--there are two remaining word units with an I. But since this is a weaker conjecture, I think there ends up not being enough information to give a unique solution...

The image below the grid seems to be a circuit board of some sort, but I don't know what that could mean. Maybe that we need to use a computer to figure out the solution? Or perhaps that there actually is a logic puzzle in there somewhere?

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dcthejoker wrote:
What I said (or tried to say) is slightly different--that is, the letter can occur anywhere in the group, and not in the bottom-most grid slot. In this manner, it's quite easy to fit an I in group 2 and another I in group 3--there are two remaining word units with an I. But since this is a weaker conjecture, I think there ends up not being enough information to give a unique solution...

The image below the grid seems to be a circuit board of some sort, but I don't know what that could mean. Maybe that we need to use a computer to figure out the solution? Or perhaps that there actually is a logic puzzle in there somewhere?


Sorry about that--you get going on your own stuff, and sometimes, you miss someone else's point entirely. Embarassed You may have something there, but as I think you're saying, I'm not sure, either on how we figure out where each goes.

My comment about the image below was prompted by the fact that there is actually a grid in the background image. I tried to see if that could help us, but it doesn't have the same number of squares in it (unless I am counting incorrectly) and the circuits that cut through it don't give us the correct number of squares for our letters, either. Just mentioned it because I figured that maybe someone else would see something I didn't.

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 		A note on Harry and Sam
Since I can't seem to come up with anything on the current puzzle, I'm going through all of the material which we've been given, trying to see if something somewhere could help with the solve.

One thing unrelated to the puzzle (I think) that I noticed is that Harry's got a middle initial of "S" and the information given us is that no one knows what it stands for. Could it stand for Sam? Could it be that Harry isn't really dead, but is trapped and is trying to get Wendy to help him get free? I know that a peek behind the curtain seemed to indicate that Sam was Wendy's brother, but that could be either an intentional mislead, or maybe that is what the actress was told initially.

Part of what got me started thinking about this is that in Sam's garbled message on the error code page, he says he's been trying to contact Wendy for a long time. Wendy hasn't been in the house for a long time, so I'm thinking that maybe Sam was trying to communicate with her long before she got into the house. We know she received a letter from him with some coded stuff in it, so maybe that's part of it.

I think it is suspicious that Harry couldn't be there when Wendy and Lucy (the sister) tried to visit him. Maybe he couldn't be there because he was already "caged."

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Jediwannabe
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 		I think we're missing something.... I call for more squinting!

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 		Whats the difference between CF and an ARG?

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 		This is doing my head in, I just left a voicemail message asking for help.
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Pied Piper
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lostgunslinger2 wrote:
Whats the difference between CF and an ARG?


Boy, took me a minute to find it, but here is a feature in which SpaceBass (the Big Kahuna--I think) discusses that very thing.

http://www.unfiction.com/compendium/2006/11/10/undefining-arg/

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 		Basically CF (chaotic fiction) is another name for an ARG (alternate reality game).
We were moved here because, simply, this game has been promoted in uF's eyes due to the richness of its storyline and the ferocity of its puzzles.
In the words of Martha, it's a good thing.

Back on topic, I agree with Jedi. There's something missing. I'm going to get a closer look at Grandpa's drawing.
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
Basically CF (chaotic fiction) is another name for an ARG (alternate reality game).


I actually think of it more as Chaotic Fiction is a superset of Alternate Reality Games. In my mind, Alternate Reality Games are, for the most part, collaborative, while in Chaotic Fiction, you can pit the players against each other, as was done in Deus City. So there was a partly collaborative part in DC, but there were also aspects that weren't.

Just my opinion, of course. That's the trouble with labels--they can't completely define what they attempt to describe.

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nitefoll wrote:
This is doing my head in, I just left a voicemail message asking for help.


I hear you on that one! My head is bloody from beating it on my desktop.

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Pied Piper wrote:
Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
Basically CF (chaotic fiction) is another name for an ARG (alternate reality game).


I actually think of it more as Chaotic Fiction is a superset of Alternate Reality Games. In my mind, Alternate Reality Games are, for the most part, collaborative, while in Chaotic Fiction, you can pit the players against each other, as was done in Deus City. So there was a partly collaborative part in DC, but there were also aspects that weren't.

Just my opinion, of course. That's the trouble with labels--they can't completely define what they attempt to describe.


lol I never really thought about there being an actual difference, but that does sound about right. I just call 'em all ARGs out of habit, really.

EDIT: Does anyone else find it a tad odd that the TSR Agency would be so concerned about the relationships between Wendy and her family?
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 		I was really hoping to come back here and see a solution posted.

I have tried everything. I've done all the expected permutations of populating the grid with the coded words from the bottom of the page. I've tried populating the table with the hex values from the colors of the weird letters at the top of the page. I have tried populating the grid with the sentence "Sam Skinery will be gone forever if he can't speak to you." (text from the picture that happens to have the same number of letters as the grid, and there's an arrow on the picture that seems to be at roughly the same angle as the arrow on the grid, blah blah).

I've peered at the numbers on the indexscrap. I've made a grid out of the words at the bottom of the page and attempted a word-search puzzle (because need shows up very obviously when you do this). I have tried looking at the grid with my eyes crossed.

Help me, obi wan, you're my only hope.

EDIT: Last year, I read about this parrot that used to be owned by a truck driver, and so he learned to swear. All day, he would swing back and forth on his little swing, saying, "B*ll*cks, b*ll*cks, b*ll*cks, b*ll*cks" over and over.

That little parrot lives in my head.

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 		Wait, I think I understand now. This puzzle uses the word "distortion" because by the time you have given up on solving it, your whole world view is distorted, and you have been reduced to crying inconsolably.

Unfortunately, I didn't need this puzzle for that. I was already "distorted" before I tried solving it.

I know that it isn't the case, but I keep thinking, "Maybe one of the numbers is over the wrong letter--yeah, that's it!"

Of course, even if that were the case, I don't see how it would help us...

EDIT: But I still love this game. I might complain, but if any of the PMs read this, please don't misunderstand. In fact, if I didn't love the game, I probably wouldn't complain at all--I'd just quit playing.

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