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baka.vaka
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Petition for the Aces
To oust the Queen of Clubs.

Hello all!

In Edwin's vent chat last night, he encouraged us to write a petition to the aces to have the queen ousted, cataloging her connection to the korp and betrayal of the deck etc.

He also mentioned that one of the things that hurt him most was the destruction of an effort to save him. That effort was a petition filed by Ptolemy, Lisa, and I through delilah to the queen. We spent a great deal of time on it, choosing our words very carefully. Delilah Told us a number of lies about the queens response and promise to release him, but in fact, she brought the letter to him, let him read it, and tore it up in his face.

I say this mainly to bring out that we have some experience with these petitions, and if it's acceptable to everyone, I'd like to offer to arrange the petition.

There are a number of very strong writers in this group, and Edwin suggested a few already, but once the writing is done, someone needs to sit, compile the information, edit and take what's been written and make it a coherent and appropriate document. I'm simply offering my services, as needed, in any way they can be used so as to get this done.

How about this thread serves as a collection place for our ideas regarding this petition...

This is Edwin's suggestion as e-mailed to me:
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As to the petition, my advice would be to have a group discussion of points to include (recent events, theories..etc.), give those points to
the best or any of the better writers in the group (might I suggest Lisa,
Clem or Ptolemy...though there are some I know I have yet to meet) and
compose a letter which you will all sign for real (mail it...fax
it...etc.). I would mail it. Don't just add names to the bottom. If all
sign for real, the effort shown and the solidarity shown would be most
powerful.


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ok, I am moving over here.... XD

as a recap, on the other thread, I am concerned about calling this a "petition" as that is a negative power word.

I think that, since we are guests, we should present this as information. maybe add possible courses or recquests for actions, but the more i think about it, the more I think that as guests, that may be presumptive.

As I mentione din my post on the other thread, i think as passengers we should draw it up something like this:

To the Noble Aces,

We the passengers greatly appreciate the opportunity you have offered us to visit among you. Therefore, out of respect for you as our hosts and concern for your safety as friends, we would like to bring to your attention a few matters concerning possible breaches to your security....."

then put together a list of transgressions (we cannot accuse Delilah outright, she is not beholden to the deck or under thier authority. We can however state it that "Her royal Highness, The Queen of clubs allowed, or requested that the party known to us as Delilah ...." I then suggest we have Flynn (if available) Morcar (again if available), Jonah, Edwin and dom each write up a statement regarding what they have witnessed as proof to the "motion of discovery" that we are offering the Aces. These would then all be submitted together with our signatures and the Deck's Documents attatched seperately.

As for suggesting courses of action etc... or demanding she be dethroned, I am wary of this, but would love to hear Edwin's Jonah's and dom's feelings.


Of course I am open to other suggestions. I am only suggesting formatts that I have used in negotiations in my past life. (pre-kids/Domestic CEO)


Edited to add: I left early last night, so to any of you who had started this already b4 I began my posts this moirning.. I didn't mean to step on toes...
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I meant the word petition more in the "humble request sense" of the word than that "do this because we have 7896 signatures"

I definitely see your point. We need to be as diplomatic as possible.

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baka.vaka wrote:
I meant the word petition more in the "humble request sense" of the word than that "do this because we have 7896 signatures"

I definitely see your point. We need to be as diplomatic as possible.



i know you did. I just was concerned that the wording would make it's way into the document.. Wink

thanks for starting the thread btw, and emailing Edwin. I emailed him as well this morning but am unsure how he will receive it. I know he responds well to you.
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Actually, that was an e-mail to lurker that was forwarded to me. Smile
Credit where credit is due.

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Quote:

Actually, that was an e-mail to lurker that was forwarded to me. Smile
Credit where credit is due.


I KNEW that looked familiar.. lol

I was just asking for more clarification from him about what he would like to see as a petition... and he mentioned others were talking about it with him already...
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Ok, this is what I have written so far. It is what it is. *shrug*

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To The Aces Above Us,


The journey that we know as SilverLadder is one of constant motion, a non-static creation of fluidity and morphosis. The journey itself is shaped as each day passes, actually each moment. What was thought be happening next many times has been pushed aside for something else at the last moment. SilverLadder is its own entity, causing each passenger to grow in at least one way or another. It is unlikely that anyone would say they are the same as the day they first heard the name. We, the passengers, have you to thank for this opportunity. It is for this reason that we feel comfortable, yet ultimately humbled, in addressing you with these requests.

It has been observed by many that the current Queen of Clubs is not what she used to be. It would seem that she has in fact changed so drastically that her actions are completely opposite that of the 'true' Queen of Clubs. It has been said that she used to know love, as well as bestow it upon others. The Queen of Inforation should also be the Queen of Compassion, for sometimes what information brings is not what the heart wants to hear. This Queen of Clubs has shown none of these traits and has effectively behaved in a manner unfitting to a Queen in your Deck.

***this is where the evidence gets inserted…Edwin said he would send out some info to some people when he writes it…***

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-Ok, time for me to put on my Devil's Advocate hat. The Aces obviously knew about the Queen's actions, and they allowed her to attempt the trade-off anyway.

Who's to say that they would even consider this petition? Is this the only option? Despite me asking around, I have yet to get a definitive answer to two questions. "How and when did Delilah meet the Queen?", and "What started her decent into corruption?"

Ousting her may not be the only solution.

Ok, time to take off my Devil's Advocate hat.-

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I've thought about that, Psyche, and I've come to this conclusion. I recall someone (Edwin? Delilah? Flynn? Dom?) saying that the Aces had listened to the Queen's "wisdom". They might just be blind, despite their positions of power. I think a petition showing them the more negative qualities of the Queen might enlighten them and they could have an epiphany and then give us treats.

Something like that. I think a petition would be a pretty direct way to let the Aces know what's up.

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In response to those questions there Psyche:

Delilah, alledegly, met the queen about ten yers ago, and they imeidiately hit it off. They dated, were soon maried, and now happily reside in New Jersey with two adopted sons.

Well, maybe not. But Delilah said herself that she did meet the Queen about ten years ago, and they have been corresponding ever since, helping each other. Whether that's true or not, no idea. Depends if she was actually telling the truth there.

As for what started Queenies decent into corruption, the leading theory, and I say leading because I thought of it last night while chatting with Edwin intoxicated, and it sounded awesome at the time, Is that the Queen did some dealings with Korp. Edwin confirmed that bit.

Now, Morcar knew about this, conciously or unconciously isn't exactly clear. Anyway, that's not important right now.
Queenie, for fear of her actions being discovered, fell into a paranoia. Suspecting everyone, she presumed that to stay in power, she would have to take it. This explains for the quick shift in mood, and her decline into madness.
The situation degraded to the point where she had Edwin build The Box as a way to test the minds of her subjects, seeing as how it projects thoughts onto a monitor, she could see if they knew her secret or not.


Remember all that is speculation. Speculation that Edwin deemed entirely possible.

Then again he also deemed the possibility that The Korporation is ruled by evil english speaking marmosets entirely possible. Take that as you will.

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Just a thought, Actually mailing the Petition may be unreliable. How about Digital Signatures. sorta like everyones.. key?Jus tlike Jonah and edwin do. If that makes any sense.

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baka.vaka wrote:
I meant the word petition more in the "humble request sense" of the word than that "do this because we have 7896 signatures"

I definitely see your point. We need to be as diplomatic as possible.


No, totally do that. I'm just getting caught back up and it looks like I missed a TON of new stuff. Looks like we can really get under their skin. Twisted Evil And proving it with a ton of signatures would do it. Could anybody do it and not just passengers?

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As for proof, I'm going to look over my emails with Delilah to see if any of them can be used as proof. I will post them when I find any.

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This is from an email Edwin sent me. I had expressed some question as to whether or not the passengers could get it together as a group (a valid concern so don't go getting all huffy at me). This is his reply:

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The petition was partly my hope to see a team effort over a noble cause. I do feel it will work but there has to be some order.

Are there different camps of thought on this?

I felt it should be a "petition" in the sense that it stated a cause, stated facts around the cause and then showed solidarity among the Passengers by showing signatures (or something like that) of everyone involved who could be found and agreed. This would show what was lacking before - namely, that the passengers are capable of a united front, representing compromise, dignity, courtesy, love and logic. As this is such a strong part of this journey, I feel the Aces could not easily dismiss it. Passenger = Navigator, as is often said.


We need to come together

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Just a few thoughts
for what they are worth

I think asking for the Queens outright removal would be bad. We don't want to seem petty. I think we need to passionately but respectfully state our case and facts and let the Aces handle it as the Deck sees fit. If we have a suggestion as to how they might do that and feel it needs to be included, we need to be cautious.

Also, Az was chosen by the Deck because of her writing and reasoning for 4D week. I think she is a valuable resource. If she could write something and all our strong writers, those who have already contributed included, should write their versions and perhaps we can mesh the best together. I think that would give us a strong base. And a team effort result.

*shrugs* That's it. Smile If there's anything anyone wants me to do to help, let me know.

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