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[RING][Trailhead] Find the Lost Ring
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myf
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Hey everybody.

I'm going to reiterate that we we have our own forum now and respectfully request that we phase out using the trailhead thread for everything.

Pretty please?

My head asplode.

Absolutely! Now that we're in our own forum, there's space to spread out a bit Very Happy There's no need to post email/IM communications in this thread as well as a separate character-related thread.

Keep up all the great work, in whichever languages you are using - you're all doing brilliantly
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Avatrix
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 		Re: multiverse
Mogeee wrote:
I googled "multiverse" and at the top of the list got http://www.multiverse.net/
hmmmm, sxsw?

(apologies for running the thread longer, I don't think this is worth making a new thread for this comment)
I think in this case, multiverse is a reference to the book Snow Crash, where the "multiverse" was an online/massive VR setup. Since SXSW is a technology and media festival, it may be largely coincidental that they are present.

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AUZ505
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Hey everybody.

I'm going to reiterate that we we have our own forum now and respectfully request that we phase out using the trailhead thread for everything.

Pretty please?

My head asplode.


Yes, and there is a nice wiki, which really can help to keep the already fantastic work organized. So try to keep the wiki up to data. Regarding the amount of information we already have (and will get in future) it is not possible for 2 or 3 person to transfer this all to the wiki. And in my opinion the information is easier to organized in the wiki than in the forum, especially if you want to look up something.

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 		New Larissa blog up:

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A conexão entre Renata e o jogo perdido?
08.03.09Renata era bastante atlética, mas também incrivelmente charmosa e concentrada. Renata abilidade de navegação era excelente, a agora que penso nisso imagino que as rotinas de meditação dela poderia ser os exercícios de memória que Eli mensiona no podcast. Se Renata estava participando de algum jogo "underground", a pergunta é quem está por tráz disso tudo. Como eles conseguem manter escondido? Por que agora pessoas estão acordando vendados em vários lugares ao redor do mundo? Imagino qual é a ligação entre Ariadne, Markus e todos os outros, além das abilidades físicas. E o labirinto? Renata e todos os outros estavam num labirinto, significa que estavam perdidos ou perderam o jogo? Foram banidos? Por isso tiveram a memória apagada? Renata disapareceu...será que todos vão disaperecer também?



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The connection between Renata and the lost game?
08.03.09.
Renata was pretty athletic, but also incredibly charming and focused. Renata's navigation hability was excelent, and now that I think about it. I imagine (or realize) that her meditation routines could have been the memory exercises Eli mentions in the podcast. If Renata was participating in any "underground" game, the question is who's behind all that. How are they able to maintain it hiding? Why are people waking up blindfolded in several places around the world? I imagine (or think) the connection between Ariadne, Markus and the others, besides the physical habilities. [I translated this phrase just like it is, and it doesn't make much sense. Discussion above] And the labyrinth? Renata and the others were in a labyrinth, does it mean they wre lost or lost the game? Were they banned? That's why they had their memory erased? Renata disappeared... will all the others disappear too?



Once again, I find her written portuguese (brazillian portuguese) rather poor. Sometimes it almost seems like a translator bot from english or other language. Like others have said about Markus, there's nothing wrong with her spoken brazillian portuguese, but the written one... sheeesh!



EDIT: in the future should I post this here in the trailhead or does it belong in another thread?

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riquardo wrote:
New Larissa blog up:
[...]
EDIT: in the future should I post this here in the trailhead or does it belong in another thread?


If a new thing happens (new video, new blog entry etc.) then I would always post it in the trail (and then additionally in a special thread, if there is one about it). People shouldn't feel afraid of posting in the trailhead... Smile

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Trustiva wrote:
riquardo wrote:
New Larissa blog up:
[...]
EDIT: in the future should I post this here in the trailhead or does it belong in another thread?


If a new thing happens (new video, new blog entry etc.) then I would always post it in the trail (and then additionally in a special thread, if there is one about it). People shouldn't feel afraid of posting in the trailhead... Smile



Um, I disagree. We need to start phasing out this trailhead because this is becoming ridiculously long.

My preference would be for multiple threads, like:

[EMAIL] Eli Hunt -- email exchanges with Eli
[WEBSITE] TheLostGames - info about Eli's website, including podcasts
[EMAIL] Diego -- email exchanges with Diego
[BLOG] Diego -- information related to Diego's blog entries
[EMAIL] Larissa -- email exchanges with Larissa

etc etc.


No double-posting in additional threads, please! This just causes confusion and doubles the amount that everybody has to read.

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danteIL wrote:

Um, I disagree. We need to start phasing out this trailhead because this is becoming ridiculously long.


But then nobody has an overview. You can forget about the trail in the wiki (sometimes two days behind etc.). New things here, and for further discussion in the special thread, I'd say. Otherwise the information about the chronological order gets scattered and you have to invest more time collecting and piecing it together. This thread here is information source no 1 for most people. And look what happens: People are suddenly afraid to post things and/or write lengthly appologies like "don't know whether I can post that but..." before they come to the point.

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Trustiva wrote:
You can forget about the trail in the wiki (sometimes two days behind etc.).


The wiki, is just that - a wiki. You or anyone can edit, and add to it. It should be seen as a resource like the forums that everyone can use and add to. The more people that spend a couple of minutes adding and editing stuff to it, the better for everyone.
(granted it doesn't get the latest breaking news, but it is not designed for that)
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chippy wrote:
The wiki, is just that - a wiki. You or anyone can edit, and add to it. It should be seen as a resource like the forums that everyone can use and add to. The more people that spend a couple of minutes adding and editing stuff to it, the better for everyone.
(granted it doesn't get the latest breaking news, but it is not designed for that)
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Yupp. But almost nobody edits the wiki. It's just about 5 people, including me. That's why I always hope for the collaboration in this thread here. Because it works. Cutting off the only working flow would be stupid. That's exactly my point. This thread has to stay a chronological trail with the newest stuff posted, and the special stuff in the special threads.

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Trustiva wrote:
This thread has to stay a chronological trail with the newest stuff posted, and the special stuff in the special threads.


I agree. It's incredibly useful to be able to monitor the evolution of this game step by step, post by post, in order to maintain a logical sequence of new information. It would seem to be much more laborious to come back after two or three days and have to piece everything together from posts scattered between eight different threads.

The trailhead appears to function at its best when it serves as a clearinghouse for all posts before they are parceled out to other threads for further reflection. I can come back at anytime, no matter how long I've been away, and pick right up where I left off and keep reading developments until I've caught up. That would a lot harder, if not impossible, to do if posts are all over the place.

My 2 cents.

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 		I encourage you to take a look at some of the other well-established games being played out on this forum to see how well it works to have have separate threads on specific topics rather than one humongously long trailhead thread. On a huge thread, stuff gets buried incredibly quickly and it is hard to keep track of information about a specific topic (e.g., replies back and forth with a particular character). If you are away for a while, you can come back and read each thread to follow the developments on that particular topic, not getting confused with other information in the process. I don't know what you mean by "all over the place."

Aren't there any mods around here who, say, have an opinion on the matter?

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Trustiva wrote:
Yupp. But almost nobody edits the wiki. It's just about 5 people, including me. That's why I always hope for the collaboration in this thread here. Because it works. Cutting off the only working flow would be stupid.

True - but that's the same with pretty much any wiki; a few people, a core group will review a wiki and try to keep it updated. It gets tedious, especially if it gets behind (such as this one, when soooo much happened in a couple of days it was hard to keep track of - and I'm slowly working to get it up to date).

As for the thread, duplicating info is definitely a no-no. There do need to be individual threads to track different topics of discussion - that's the whole point of the forum 'thread'. Whether someone decides to post a quick link "hey, new update in blahblah thread" in the trailhead thread, well, if there are multiple threads, then it'll suffer the same fate of the wiki - only a few willtry to keep that trailhead up to date with all the latebreaking news, while everyone else goes to the topical threads.

This is why blogs are a handy partner to wikis - the blog will have the latest events and news posted in chronological order. The forums manage discussions about various topics, threaded. The wiki is a handy resource to find information in relation to other information, neatly (*knock on wood*) organized.

Sometimes you'll find someone managing a specific thread that is consistently up-to-date with news, but that's a task in itself.

If you want to really use the forum to keep up to date with the latest news, once an ARG gets its own area, then I'd suggest bookmarking the 'new posts' page, and watching for updated entries in the area. I personally have my reader pointed to the entire Unforum RSS feed, refreshing every 5 minutes, so I see every new post; then I can read/lurk/delete from my readerat will.

It would be nice to have the 'new posts in this category' link back, but it hasn't been re-implemented yet...
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Trustiva wrote:
danteIL wrote:

Um, I disagree. We need to start phasing out this trailhead because this is becoming ridiculously long.


But then nobody has an overview. You can forget about the trail in the wiki (sometimes two days behind etc.). New things here, and for further discussion in the special thread, I'd say. Otherwise the information about the chronological order gets scattered and you have to invest more time collecting and piecing it together. This thread here is information source no 1 for most people. And look what happens: People are suddenly afraid to post things and/or write lengthly appologies like "don't know whether I can post that but..." before they come to the point.

Wir hypertext haben.
It is certainly possible, and even preferable, to post a new interaction in the thread for that character and then post a pointer in the trailhead to that new interaction's post. That way we get the timeline less broken by discussion. We get discussion of the development. Stitch and stitch again is what will make this forum system emulate our realtime experience of the game. Then go to the wiki, for archiving. It is a little cumbersome, but it will work, if we use it.

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 		And it's been done successfully time and time again, since UF was founded back in the day Wink
Players will find a way to make it work, that's the beauty of community and the hive mind =)
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danteIL wrote:
Aren't there any mods around here who, say, have an opinion on the matter?

Er, yeah, I gave my opinion at the top of this page Wink Not that I claim to speak for all the mods, it's just what I think - I get very confused when there are discussions about 4 different emails all in different languages, all mixed up with spec and general discussion about things.

I personally would prefer it if things were broken down a bit into separate threads where appropriate, but it's up to everyone who's playing to find the best solution. The mods aren't going to come over all dictatorial and tell people "Thou shalt not post that here" (or at least, I hope not!)
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