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[DetectiveHollings]

Exactly! Also, has anybody else noticed on the IBIHD website, they hail him as a... guess what? White Knight. Tell me that isn't a coincidence.

[nothinglost]

so you guys think that this was what we were actually supposed to hear.

even though they were calling it a "live press conference"?

i doubt that dent was just strolling down the street and saw this comotion happened and just jumped in to save the day.

(i'm not trying to be arguementative, just playing devil's advocate)

i just seemed all too perfect to be a coincidence

[Ecks51]

I wasn't implying he was just strolling down the street, he was in the area for his press conference. Obviously a situation like this would end a press conference, so he went and got himself involved in a police stand-off.

It's a bit of a "glory-hound" move, but it seems it was effective.

Nothing in an ARG is coincidence. We're seeing exactly what we need to see.

[nothinglost]

ecks

I see what you meant now

sorry about the misconception

I just thought it was a bit fishy because the actual press conference never even actually started. ya know

[Ecks51]

Don't worry about it, it's a bit much to catch up on. I wasn't online when everything happened, and sorting out has been ... interesting.

This seems, to me, to be the key event that causes Two-face, at least the attack on Dent.

Right now Dent must seem somewhat invincible, he walked into the middle of a stand-off between a police force that doesn't care much for him and an armed man that openly doesn't like him, then somehow came out unscathed. That kind of ego boost, and the many to follow, combined with the physical and emotional scarring that occurs when he's attacked, sometime later; it really is no wonder that Two-face emerges from what's left of Dent.

I understand the is all fictional, but there are plenty of real people who never get passed traumatic events, especially if there is physical scarring. HD/TF is just an exaggerated example of this.

[nothinglost]

good call on the ego boost and the feeling of invincibility

no one can stop him now.

not the police or the crooks......

[Vecheeso]

okay so the ibeliveinharveydent site actually says that the live feed was cancelled due to the hostage situation, that harvey pretty much cancelled it to go and fix the situation. there's our answer. it says on 4/13:
"Today's press conference was unexpectedly cancelled due to a hostage crisis located at a nearby deli. In a selfless move, Mr. Dent entered the premises, exchanged himself for a woman who was being held at gunpoint, and negotiated the successful release of the remaining patrons in the restaurant. Watch this site for updates. We will release more details when they become available. "

and today there is a post 4/15:
"A MESSAGE FROM HARVEY DENT

Friends, my entire campaign I've talked about how this campaign is a struggle for this city's soul. On the one hand, there are those people who prey on the innocent citizens of Gotham. On the other hand, there is our movement to take back Gotham from crime and corruption.

At Rossi's Deli, we saw that struggle play out. Play out inside the head of the hostage taker, Sgt. Frank Notaro. Some are calling him a "crazed smear cop" but he encapsulates the choice facing us. Do we continue to allow our worst nature to lead us? Or do we take a chance on hope?

That's the choice I laid out to Frank Notaro. And he responded. He released an innocent, terrified girl. He turned himself in. And he is now talking to the police about mob involvement in the smear campaign against me.

That's the real lesson of the incident. We must, all of us, have the courage to hope. If we have the power to change ourselves, if we have the power to change one person, then we have the power to change Gotham."

[Jabba]

could it have been a publicity stunt?

did we hear what Dent said in the Deli? Just wondering if he offered Notaro something or made a deal or some such.

[Ecks51]

I doubt it was a publicity stunt. Dent's character is a bit on the over-zealous side, but not enough so to make him suicidal.

I don't think we'll get exactly what was said in the Deli. Dent says he reasoned with him; talked him down. He probably offered him some kind of protection if he gave himself up.

[parabol4]

"Mob involvement"

[The Internet]

Something tells me he simply got protection for him, I'm just not sure if i believe Harvey Dent is a good guy all around or crooked too, since we all know who he becomes.

[Jabba]

[Ecks51]

[The Internet]

[DetectiveHollings]

I'm like... a Two-Face expert, and yes, Harvey was never corrupt in the least before he was scarred. He was the most squeaky clean person in all of Gotham, even more than Batman or Gordon (read Long Halloween). Some interpretations do have him where he did have a split personality before scarring (see Batman: The Animated Series) but it came out to dominate during scarring. So far there is no evidence that he's got a violent alternate personality in this interpretation of the character.