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sauceykat
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Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 251 Location: BC>Canada
Mos wrote:
sauceykat wrote:
Mos wrote:
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Hopper is a person and most likely another time traveller. He is afraid of other hoppers. Could be the ones after him. Was at a parade, which one? Mardi Gra? Thanksgiving?
I disagree, simply because he'd be incapable of updating his blog from the past/future.
Well, not necessarily...he could either have some sort of technology that used a wormhole or something to send data back in time (specialized computer)...they can basically make anything up at this point.
Just being difficult
I think his log isn't detailed enough to support that. If he was sending data back as some sort of project by the University from the future it'd be WAY more detailed than "fishing is great."
True, true but this isn't necessarily everything he's been sending, this is just part of Jake's personal blog right? So he could theoretically have submitted reports too but that's SPEC'ing on SPEC LOL.
I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, and technically there is nothing to prove or hint that he is time travelling yet...
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:07 pm
Mos
Mostly Harmless
Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 117
sauceykat wrote:
Mos wrote:
sauceykat wrote:
Mos wrote:
Quote:
Hopper is a person and most likely another time traveller. He is afraid of other hoppers. Could be the ones after him. Was at a parade, which one? Mardi Gra? Thanksgiving?
I disagree, simply because he'd be incapable of updating his blog from the past/future.
Well, not necessarily...he could either have some sort of technology that used a wormhole or something to send data back in time (specialized computer)...they can basically make anything up at this point.
Just being difficult
I think his log isn't detailed enough to support that. If he was sending data back as some sort of project by the University from the future it'd be WAY more detailed than "fishing is great."
True, true but this isn't necessarily everything he's been sending, this is just part of Jake's personal blog right? So he could theoretically have submitted reports too but that's SPEC'ing on SPEC LOL.
I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, and technically there is nothing to prove or hint that he is time travelling yet...
Actually, time travel is kind of obstacle if you want to send "progress reports." He could complete his assignment instantly to us. We could receive all the reports at the exact same time, depending on what period he chooses to send them to. Why would he say "I heard Meg's mom was sick" when he could be done with the assignment in 5 seconds in "our" time?
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:29 pm
dashcat
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Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 816 Location: Under the bed
If Hopper does refer to time hopper then it implies that hoppers can hop around in time...possibly at will or maybe thru the use of a device. So Jake could just hop to this time and leave a message on his blog. He could also read Meg's blog which is probably how he knew Meg's mom was sick. I guess this would mean that Jake isn't stuck in time. He needs our help for something else.
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:39 pm
Mos
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Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 117
dashcat wrote:
If Hopper does refer to time hopper then it implies that hoppers can hop around in time...possibly at will or maybe thru the use of a device. So Jake could just hop to this time and leave a message on his blog. He could also read Meg's blog which is probably how he knew Meg's mom was sick. I guess this would mean that Jake isn't stuck in time. He needs our help for something else.
That would require him, though, to hop back in sequential order, which is silly. Couldn't he check up on her himself? It's not like he has a problem with time...
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:00 pm
aiesha_anonymous
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Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 101 Location: Australia
Just some observations ...
I recall Reggie saying that Jake had run away which implies that he's unlikely to be submitting reports or following orders or any sanctioned course of exploration. It also implies choice and conscious decision-making to go wherever or whenever he's gone, as well as the power to access whatever tools he might have needed.
Perhaps he has run back (or forward) in time as a means of escape?
Why say 'it's time' if you're a time-traveller? The expression feels redundant to me (in that situation).
This is all so mind-warping! In a good way
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:45 am
Caterpillar
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Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
Maybe he's from the future and stuck in this time, and "Jake ran away" simple means he's run away to a different location (but still stuck in this time)
....and the "Hoppers" are a form of chaos control agent from the future trying to bring him back. Maybe he came to this time to *STOP* whatever research was going on ( the effects of which have far reaching future consequences).
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:40 am
MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
Paradox methods
cemgate2002 wrote:
Maybe he's from the future and stuck in this time, and "Jake ran away" simple means he's run away to a different location (but still stuck in this time)
....and the "Hoppers" are a form of chaos control agent from the future trying to bring him back. Maybe he came to this time to *STOP* whatever research was going on ( the effects of which have far reaching future consequences).
Ok, Cem, lets work on this, and several others a bit.
If Jake is here from the future, then why has his current self from this time disappeared? i.e. the Back to the Future movies, Second installment.
That implies there is some sort of Paradox rule that states "no person shall exist in any one time in more than body?" Then we get into the Deja Vu effects, which we do not see anything pointing to that. Nor have we any information implied or otherwise that is the case.
Note: I am not saying a "future" Jake is not here, I just can't see how that reconciles with the Jake of this time turning up missing. Actually I like the "future Jake visiting our time" theory, that means he is working at stopping it before it begins.
Are we saying Jake may have made multiple trips, that the Log on the NRU return page is just the first trip and as the future Jake took more trips decided that it was not a good idea and began to plant clues for himelf and us, to receive? Could future agents have come back as well, toprevent Jake from killing the project before it begins?
**EDIT**
Maybe it is time to move this Speculation to the General board and off the interaction one?
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:26 am
AnthraX101
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Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 797
The whole time travel idea requires a bit of a leap of faith. I wouldn't start going into logical paradoxes that deep yet.
I prefer to simply assume that any time spent in the future/past must be met by a similar time passing in the "current" timeline. It's what a lot of the time travel books/movies assume, and is easiest to explain.
AnthraX101
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:26 pm
Caterpillar
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Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
Re: Paradox methods
Magesteff wrote:
If Jake is here from the future, then why has his current self from this time disappeared?
He's in hiding....doesn't neccessarily mean he is hiding in a different time. Why can't he just be on the lam like any other regular person running from someone/something?
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:29 pm
MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
Re: Paradox methods
cemgate2002 wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
If Jake is here from the future, then why has his current self from this time disappeared?
He's in hiding....doesn't neccessarily mean he is hiding in a different time. Why can't he just be on the lam like any other regular person running from someone/something?
Or the Black/Grey's caught the wrong one.....
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:33 pm
Caterpillar
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Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
Sorry, not sure if I did that right, but Mage is right...99% of this 3 page thread is Spec not Interaction, and those who want to continue to Spec on it will keep coming here to post so I've moved it to General/Updates.
**Edited for Inattentiveness:)
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:36 pm
Last edited by Caterpillar on Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:56 pm; edited 1 time in total
MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
New Interaction section
cemgate2002 wrote:
Sorry, not sure if I did that right, but Mage is right...99% of this 3 page thread is Spec not Interaction, and those who want to continue to Spec on it will keep coming here to post so I've moved it to Interaction.
Oh, so this is the new "Interaction" section ... heh... <nudge><giggle>
Yeah, this works.
So what have we got at the moment?
A possible Future Jake in the here and now, a Current Jake MIA, a Future/Current Jake in the distant past (several places on the timeline), Other Time Hoppers, that may be Greys, may be Russians, may be Blacks, with no idea who the white pieces are, One color blind Brown/Blue group, One Caretaker/RedKnight who doesn't play chess but drops the word Check like he is buyin' everyones dinner,
a Conspiracy site with added pages in the book in the Mirror, Various natural and Biological disaters, and a University that refuses to talk to anyone interested in information.
Have I missed anything?
OH, let's not forget our friend Reggie, or should I say Turk... or ... Ajeeb... or... ack...
_________________Magesteff
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:00 pm
Last edited by MageSteff on Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:13 pm; edited 1 time in total
Caterpillar
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Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
Re: New Interaction section
Magesteff wrote:
cemgate2002 wrote:
Sorry, not sure if I did that right, but Mage is right...99% of this 3 page thread is Spec not Interaction, and those who want to continue to Spec on it will keep coming here to post so I've moved it to Interaction.
Oh, so this is the new "Interaction" section ... heh... <nudge><giggle>
Ack.......well you knew what I meant. (General/Updates)
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:53 pm
strife777
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yeah If it helps any (which i doubt it will)...I live about 25 minutes from the North Fork of Long Island...which is by the Atlantic...and where bluefishing is pretty popular. At least they always post fishing reports in the local paper about some sort of fish
And are we sure that the library communication topic doesnt go back to pregame and the failsafe communication method? Maybe that'll help us with the timeline?
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:07 am
tartanwolf
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Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 67 Location: Tormented Space
I too live on Long Island and that was my first thought. All of the messages just seemed to bring me to the North Fork of LI. Even mentioning parades made me think of LI, there is always a parade going on somewhere (blocking traffic) and not just for the major holidays. The Fire departments and Latin communities are always having parades. I've run into 3 parades over the last 2 months.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:40 am
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