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 [Sarg TMT] March Hare & Mad Hatters Tea Party & IRA Bombings
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:57 pm
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Man I'm doing some typing. More thoughts the use of the name War Town in that video and the camoflauge bag - camo as in to hide in surrounding?
Also SARG - Prenounced Sarge as in sargent? erm also I think boyd put foxtrot oscar on his video telling some one to fuck off lol.

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Oh and another thing the track boyd used for that video Sarg tmt layer3 is called Strength in Numbers, is he telling us to be the Collective detective here or what? Layer 3 is the first one any1 has seen, i guess that layers 1&2 are hidden somewhere. Hes getting messages across with the way he uses the tracks in his videos.
Anyway yeh its coming together for me now, just really getting into it now.

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Okay...I know I'm not a mod, and I hope no one takes any offense at me trying to help you out. I just want to give you some advice on forum etiquette and style, so people can help understand what you're trying to say.

#1. Almost nothing of what you said in your first post made any sense to me, besides the fact that you swore a lot and made references to some guy named KevC, a band, and Alice in Wonderland. If you could organize your writing a bit more (i.e. put the events in chronological order, not just randomly), it would be a lot easier on our eyes and we'd be able to understand.

#2. If you could give us a bit of a summary as to what happened at the urls you provided for us, it would also help. None of us have the time to go through fourteen pages of thread and read every detail. Post the important things--specifically, what makes you think 'this puzzle thing' is an ARG, what exactly it is, the emails you/others have recieved, etc.

#3. Another thing-- maybe this is just me living in the States, but you used a lot of slang that made no sense whatsoever to me-- e.g. 'yob culture', 'twigged', etc. Can you try to explain what you mean when you use things like that? Thanks Wink

#4. Please capitalize/punctualize. Again, not trying to be a grammar teacher here, but if you have these long run-on sentences, people are going to stop paying attention after the first four or five commas. Also, with long, unbroken, paragraphs can become seriously boring. People will skim them, looking for important information like characters' names, video names, etc., and when they see nothing that's capitalized, they're going to ignore it.

Hope this helps, and I'm glad to see a new face in unFiction =]
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Right I reckon I should of posted this in Sarg TMT thread like.

Sarg TMT - An ARG?
Well I've never played or experienced an ARG, other then hearing about Cloverfield through the press. So I'm not certain if it is or not. The majority whom are following it don't seem to know where to start too.

Swearing:
I think if you follow this your going to come across lots of swearing from the northern brits. Sorry about swearing its just normal from where were from. If you have ever seen Gordan Ramsey on tv you will get the idea. If I happen to swear alot, I'm not meaning to offend like.

Slang:
I'm surprised you didn't understand Yob Culture. Twigged is is to twig on get the jist. If these puzzles carry on etc, I've got to figure out how to get around the slang.
Not sure if you understand this, but in the UK the cultural difference within a few miles is large. Eg. Manchester and Liverpool are 20 mins away from eachother and they find it hard to understand eachother due to huge differences in accents. All the surrounding towns around this area as well which 15 mins away all have their own sort of accents and slang.

I'll have ago a 2nd go at explaining.

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YouTube: Link


VIDEO 1 Builders Brew

It started when someone found this video. It was named Builders Brew (strong black tea) and was the same as the above but ended after the blue soundwaves dispersed. We all thought it was a viral campaign with puzzles promoting this band www.themusic.co.uk

The person who uploaded it was called SmokeyLeopard.

Next we find out it was created by Chris Boyd. His visual style is seen throughout all the bands artwork so figure he working with this band. In its description were told to follow the white rabbit. The band did an intro tune in the past which quoted The Matrix.

Quote:
I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid, you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible.


The video had Morsecode which said www.myspace.com/whitecalf

but we realize that its www.myspace.com/whitecalf0
We find budgies tongue and an aussie kiss which is slang for Cunnilingus.
And an audio track called Cunning Linguistics -
Also in the description of Builders Brew it said chef's get their red wings at Wigan Pier - Orwell reference ?

Red Wings - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red+wings Slang for Cunnilingus.






VIDEO 2 - Earl Grey
The next video uploaded by SmokeyLeopard



YouTube: Link

(title is changed now)



Cryptic Clues in Youtube Comments

Quote:
ある実験 wired ganger del dopple

ailn & alin

Or atom ruin them




The Music Official Forum goes Online
All discussion about the videos is deleted by the Moderators.
www.themusic.co.uk



Rob Harvey's Blog

Rob is the lead singer of this band. His myspace blog has subtle hints and clues. He calls himself Curtainman suggesting hes a puppet master too.
http://www.myspace.com/rmnhthemusic

2 Blogs which are clues Dated - Feb 14th and March 13th.

Feb 14th is a confessional about drug use and drinking.




VIDEO 3 Sarg TMT Layer 3
Description The Whole is Greater then the Whole - Could be play on words as in Rabbit Hole?
This is the one at the start of this post.
From Boydism08


VIDEO 4 Jasmin Tea


YouTube: Link

(Now Sarg TMT Layer 4)
The video is about drugs and drug use is leaked after Rob Harvey's Feb 14th Blog.
From Boydism08



The Manchester Roadhouse Gig

Chris Boyd was here filming the gig. He's one of the puppet-masters and the guy who is creating the videos and artwork.
[youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1F24xJEZI[/youtube]

Various fans spoke with him including me. Nothing Revealed except to have courage in confusion. Spoke about the bands come back with a new sound. Also spoke about Gary Newlove case in Warrington.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7176471.stm
(Boyd also has been seen at a Leeds Gig.)

Lots of fans found hand written notes in odd places, like airvents, bottles, I got one from behind a mirror in the toilets.
NOTES
They were written in backwards hand writing
Quote:
Sarg TMT
The Music
Have Courage in Confussion
The Whole is Greater than the Whole

They had mad drawings on too. Like diagrams but didn't make sense.



Weird Emails and Texts

A fan who is hating these puzzles and threatening to beat up Chris Boyd get a this email:
Quote:
Cheshire Cat: If I were looking for a white rabbit, I'd ask the Mad
Hatter.

Alice: The Mad Hatter? Oh, no no no...

Cheshire Cat: Or, you could ask the March Hare, in that direction.

Alice: Oh, thank you. I think I'll see him...

Cheshire Cat: Of course, he's mad, too.

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.

Cheshire Cat: Oh, you can't help that. Most everyone's mad here.


The Email address is whiterabbitSPLATmac.hush.com




VIDEO 5 Lefty
from SmokeyLeopard

Description in binary translates:
Quote:
Listen to the sounds locations


VIDEO 6 Eatbug
from SmokeyLeopard


Cryptic Comments on youtube
Quote:
irt der oul oc


Chris Boyd Image's Released on Official Facebook Page.


Rob Harvey's Blog

http://www.myspace.com/rmnhthemusic

March 13th Blog is about Yob Culture. This touches on the subject of Gary Newloves murder by drunk youths.

YOB CULTURE
Quote:
It has become a kind of shorthand for a form of behaviour that everyone recognises instantly. Rowdy groups of young people spill out of a pub, and then rampage through the streets, roughing up each other and anyone else unfortunate enough to cross their drunken path. This is what is often perceived as "yob culture".


More info. at these links.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2001/life_of_crime/yob_culture.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/02/99/e-cyclopedia/1056200.stm



Cheshire Cat gives Cryptic Clues
Quote:
# 1. To the next station, take the tube. Get your ticket from house down the road.
# 2. March Madness at bridge ts (translated from binary code in cheshire cat grinning picture)




VIDEO 7 The Music @ Manchester Roadhouse


YouTube: Link

Is a skynews clip on Yob Culture on bridge street Warrington
From SmokeyLeopard


VIDEO 8 The Dancing Drunk of War Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OGY1Y8fzkI
This is Warrington Town Centre, right. Its just at the end of Bridge Street. Another link to drink yob culture.
From SmokeyLeopard


The Warrington IRA Bombings on Bridge Street.
Right on the 20th March it was the anniversary of the IRA Bombings on bridge street. Again another link to the March Madness on Bridge Street.



March Madness Links
March Madness -
FACT: IRA Bombing.
FICTION: March Hare, Madness Mad Hatters Tea Party
FACT: Lewis Carrol Born in Warrington, Cheshire, England.

Lewis Carrol Links
His facility at word play, logic, and fantasy. That seems to be loads of that throughout the stuff we've been, right.
The speculation that Carrol used psychoactive drugs and Cannabis yeh.
The Music: Known for cannabis addiction.
Quote:
Marijuana Drug Addiction
Rob Harvey, vocalist with Leeds psychedelic rock band The Music has spoken out about the drug addiction that has blighted his life since his teenage years.

Quote:
many people regard Alice's hallucinations in the Wonderland, when surrounded by teas, mushrooms and smoking insects, (though tea and mushrooms were quite common) as references to psychedelic substances.

Chris Boyd is from warrington, his artwork is like a hallucinatory experience. The art critics all reckon hes an undisciplined genius, is this a polite way of saying he's Mad?
Boyd names videos after types of Tea, has a video with the track Drugs and gives a clue with very very surreal intense video called Eatbug where this guy eat live insects. Also the colours and style is the same as the Musics Artwork.

The Mad Hatters Tea Party
Right, Theres a sculpture of this scene in warrington town centre. Right March Hare is holding well hiding this army bag with a DVD saying watch me. Theres nothing on the DVD appart from its brand TDK. There some paper with funny drawings. And the DVD does not work. Pretty gutted about it. Doesnt get read in my player, I've tried on another multi-region player but it doesn't work. I even tried it in a normal CD Player with no luck. I'm going to get my mate look at it next week.

Right so the score so far:
These are the things thats happened so far in Chronological order. Theres alot of stuff thats come together now and I'm getting abit of a flavour of how to play.
Would this be classed as an ARG? Its as if its all reality. Maybe you can get the jist of what I mean. But its feels much different to the other games I've looked at on here as in story wise there all fictional. I know this is obviously being created by the puppetmasters but the clues are real as in facts etc. Is it a wild goose chase come statement on yob culture?

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Re: March Madness
themusic boyd sarg TMT Progress. IRA links

Found this thread via the trackbacks left on your videos embedded below, nrisin. I want to give you my takes on this :)

(I've been leaving comments on some of your videos, but not all of them are going through. Think it's a problem with my ISP, actually)

nrisin wrote:
theres been a thread following it at this forum:

http://themusic.freeforums.org/what-album-sample-t949.html


You'll know that I'm a regular on that forum. If you're interested, it's where most the the regulars went after the 2nd official forum was shut down in 2006. But that's by-the-by!

nrisin wrote:
I'm not bothering with the people on that forum or going to help them cos in that thread their taking the piss out me and my bird. Fuck em.

Heh, fair enough! I don't think they mean any genuine malice by it. We've all been waiting four years for this album and some of them just want the viral stuff over and done with. Others, myself included, are intrigued by it all.

nrisin wrote:
That KevC guy got this email yeh. But on that forum hes done nothing but slate the videos, take the piss out of it etc etc. So why would he get that email as clue if hes not interested and all out hating it?

Assuming the e-mail was genuine and not a wind-up, you think someone has deliberately sent it to a sceptic to throw others off the scent, as it were? There is at least one person connected with the band that reads the forum. No idea if Boyd knows about it.

nrisin wrote:
KevC replied and said its all horseshit and that their planning on beating up the Boyd guy whose made the videos when they see him as the gigs. So far hes been spotted at a gig in Leeds and in Manchester where I saw him. So would this Chris Boyd guy be the puppet master? or will it be loads of people working on it, just thinking cos its a major record label it would be a like teams of people I guess.


I think Boyd is orchistrating the vast majority of it. Someone at the London gig asked Rob about it all and Rob said it was 'just a bit of fun to drum up some interest in the album'. I think the number of people involved is low.

nrisin wrote:
He calls himself Curtainman too so does this mean hes a puppet master too? I reckon so. Fans been asking the band for clues and they don't say anything too like the Boyd guy.


Nah, I don't think so. Curtainman's a nickname he used a while ago and that particular occurance was posted well before Sarg TMT was up and running. I don't think it means anything.

nrisin wrote:
Right, well check this on his blog at Feb 14 - Valentines Day - this has got to significant yeh? He talks about drugs etc and Drinking - okay.
Its best you read it all but heres a short copy n paste:

Yeh his next blog: 13 Mar 2008: - notice that the dates and that KevC's email are all leading upto it.
Well this blog hes talking about youth and yob culture, now this is where it makes sense that Boyd was talking about it with me and my mates, cos he was on about the Gary Newlove case and how this town warrington is violent etc.


I think you're a little bit off here too.

First off, Rob's posts are genuine experiences and opinions. It ties in with stuff he used to post many, many years ago, before he had a MySpace account.

Basically what I think is happening here is that Rob, being the writer of most of the song lyrics, is writing about themes and experiences and that Boyd is interpreting them and exploring them through his own work, in a complimentary fashion.

So yes, it all seems to tie in, but I still think it's mostly Boyd basing it off of the band's work, rather than a hand-in-hand thing.

nrisin wrote:
So we have been thinking that he would lived at Leeds and might of met the band there, because they live and are from Leeds. Cos he was studying Graphics he could of done artwork for band then when they were with virgin.


As far as I know, this is the first time Boyd's worked with the band. However, Boyd has worked with other Polydor artists, as I'm sure you and the other chap is aware of. It definitely a possibility that Boyd and the band met up at some point over the past few years, even without the idea of any future collaboration being drawn up.

nrisin wrote:
So far the Music's artwork is all the same style as this Chris Boyd's work. If you watch his other videos you can tell its the same colours etc.


This is another instance where I think it's a case of Boyd drawing inspiration from something already in place. The neon blue symbols wasn't created for the band, but it was produced by the artists that did The Music's first album cover art: Rob and Nick Carter <http>

The artwork was created in 2006 and appeared on the band's web site mid to late 2006. I think Boyd has just directed his own work to match this style in some part.


nrisin wrote:
And on The Musics offical youtube channel they have a teaser video again it looks like Chris Boyd's style but made with a low budget or no budget.


It's possible he was involved. I'm not sure. But the videos were made well before most of the current album was written and the band considered splitting up a long time after those videos were published. For that reason, I think it's unlikely he was involved (although they do fit in very well, I must admit!)

nrisin wrote:
Now on the offical The Music website themusic.co.uk - theres a gig at Leeds Metropolitan Uni so I'm expecting theres going to be more stuff going on there.


Which is one of the few I won't be at myself!

I will be at the Leeds Cockpit gig next month though, as well as the other April dates, the Manchester and Glasgow ones in May and Covstock. I'll be on the look out for any clues, if the puzzle is still going by then! (tried to tell you this in a Youtube comment, but it would never go through!)


nrisin wrote:
Right back to the drinking yob culture thing. Oh, also forgot about this. But the first time the video puzzles were leaked out they were called names after tea's Builders Brew, Earl Grey and Jasmin Tea. These have been clues starring every1 in the face and no1 has twigged. Mad Hatters Tea party.


Heh, you took note of these as well? ;) No, I didn't realise the connection at first either, although it finally dawned on me after Jasmine Tea.

nrisin wrote:
also the videos usually go private and public with no pattern)


Which is why I always download the .FLV file just in case ;)

nrisin wrote:
So this guy figured out another binary code on this picture of a Cheshire cat


Heh, there are 10 types of people in this world - those who understand binary and those who don't ;)

(I apologise in retrospect for that awful, old joke!)

nrisin wrote:
So I checked out this sculpture of the mad hatters tea party and underneath the March Hares hand is this army bag with a DVD (which doesnt work btw) which says watch me on it. I'm buzzing on finding that just work when I try play it. Keeps saying error.
So now I realize that was why the Tea drink names were being used, Builders Brew, Earl Grey, Jasmin Tea.


Very good show!

nrisin wrote:
Am bit gutted about the DVD tho, its like an anti climax. Pigging thing wont work.

Need more info. Perhaps I can help!

Have you tried it on a PC DVD drive? Look at the data side of the DVD - how much has been burned to it?

nrisin wrote:
Getting somewhere with this people. I thought it was laugh playing with these puzzles but it feels like its getting really deep now.

I have to say, I had my suspicions about your own involvement in this too, since around the time of your train videos after Roadhouse. Mainly because you were the one making the significant discoveries all the time :p

Maybe I just watched too much X-Files as a kid :p

I wish I had more time to spend on this. There are a few avenues that haven't been explored fully and it's a shame that not many people are following it all, because it's actually better thought out and put together than a lot of the bigger name ARGs.

One thing though - did you see smokeyleopard's second Dream Journal entry?

http://www.dreamjournal.net/index.cfm?do=readcomments&Dream_ID=115338

He left two comments for it highlighting certain letters and showing a partial search result on an anagram checker. It was easy to pick out the important letters and find the right search engine, but there are a lot of combinations and options to use and tons of results. I can replicate the same results he posted, but didn't get much further than that (not had time to do so!)

There's definitely something to be found there, but it might have been superceded by the March Madness stuff.


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how come you call yourself Giant frying pan?

Right basically you should get all the ones who interested in it here and get some sort of blog thing going to keep on track. Also this site has got loads of stuff on how to search for clues etc and if you read the other threads too you get an idea of how play and link stuff.

We could do with more video and sound people who can extract codes etc. As well as just making videos to help people figure it out abit. You seen any of those for cloverfield. Its easier to watch them then to read loads of emails, forums and threads right. Nige says he would do some cos hes studying multimedia at college so theres a start.

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Heh, fair enough! I don't think they mean any genuine malice by it. We've all been waiting four years for this album and some of them just want the viral stuff over and done with. Others, myself included, are intrigued by it all.


I reckon this viral stuff is building up, also its introducing all new people to the music via this and boyd. Can't be a bad thing. Also don't know about you but I have been really paying attention to the Music's blogs and thinking much more about their new tracks too. I study contemporary music so will anyway but cos I'm like in a wtf's going on mood it sort of opens up more feeling for it. Its become more like making it more elevated from the rest of the crap it needs to distance itself from. You get what I'm saying. It was fuckin nuts when it started but now you can see somethings happening. Feels like its leading upto something big. I know it won't be like the Find the Lost Ring arg but something meaningful.

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Assuming the e-mail was genuine and not a wind-up, you think someone has [u]deliberately sent it to a sceptic to throw others off the scent, as it were? There is at least one person connected with the band that reads the forum. No idea if Boyd knows about it.


Yeh somethings going on. Must be more than one Puppetmaster than Boyd. My youtube got Jefferson airplane messages and another person who said they were Rob harvey another from a boydie who sent a few messages saying HAHAHAHA for ages and that youtube account is gone. They didnt have any favourites, videos, subs or anything so some1 just made it up. So yeh I'm getting iffy about lots of people.



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First off, Rob's posts are genuine experiences and opinions. It ties in with stuff he used to post many, many years ago, before he had a MySpace account.

Basically what I think is happening here is that Rob, being the writer of most of the song lyrics, is writing about themes and experiences and that Boyd is interpreting them and exploring them through his own work, in a complimentary fashion.

So yes, it all seems to tie in, but I still think it's mostly Boyd basing it off of the band's work, rather than a hand-in-hand thing.


I think because it all seems all interwined that might mean they been discussing it all a while before. After we have seen the other stuff it seems as though its interlocked like. You ever seen anything like em before? There not music videos not adverts like these mad videos. On the credits it says boyd did sound as well as video. So they must of discussed loads to get to a point where hes going to remix their tracks. But it makes it feels more genuine cos its focusing on these and were not being passive were going down the rabbit hole entering wonderland :S lol.



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This is another instance where I think it's a case of Boyd drawing inspiration from something already in place. The neon blue symbols wasn't created for the band, but it was produced by the artists that did The Music's first album cover art: Rob and Nick Carter <http>

The artwork was created in 2006 and appeared on the band's web site mid to late 2006. I think Boyd has just directed his own work to match this style in some part.


Check the dates on boyd's work. The insect Eat video was made in 2003/4 and it has the blue neon lights and the videos after this date have this style. Just looked at Carters worksite this different style to the rest of light works. Could be there matching boyds work so it all fits together. Also theres something very similar with first music teaser vids to boyds work but you can tell it might not be. Could be that boyd maybe doing art direction. You can check that role on music vid site credits. So its sort of generating a style throughout everything so we recognise it as the musics stuff.
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It's possible he was involved. I'm not sure. But the videos were made well before most of the current album was written and the band considered splitting up a long time after those videos were published. For that reason, I think it's unlikely he was involved (although they do fit in very well, I must admit!)


This is what makes me think that they could of all known eachother and talked about stuff before it all started. Remember the videos credit. It says studio sessions so before the album completion. Could be that boyd has been along but not working with the band thats why it feels all unified. Do you get what I mean?

Right the DVD will hopefully be a Data 1 and I'll get onto that next week. Decorating for us whilst its easter.

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Hey No Reasin, thanks for showing me this forum.

Just a quick note to say that Frying Pan and Me will be able to provide a pretty well educated opinion on everything to do with The Music. I agree with him on Rob's blog posts on myspace. Rob is writing what he wants to write, and Boyd is using that text to continue his story.

With regards to the art work, it is definitely Rob and Nick Carter on themusic.co.uk. If you go on www.robandnick.com you will see the exact same image on there, I happen to be quite a follower of their work too so can tell when I see a piece of their own work.

The blue soundwave is probably Boyd's own I reckon. Can't really tell because of the quality of youtube.

It's my birthday today so I won't have much time to post anything else, but I will contribute more during the week.

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I've been taking a look at this forum as I'm very intriegued by these puzzles and have found lots of info here, I have joined another site following this same puzzle but it's a new site, seems we are all following a different thread there which may be helpful to progressing on this, I would like it very much if people could take a look at this site http://sargtmt.forumotion.com/index.htm to see if it's any help and we can all work togeather to try and solve this. I have also been looking at the lost ring arg threads so I can get a better idea of how to play and work through clues effectively.

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It's really exciting that some one has found a cd, any progress on whether or not its works??

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also discussed over 12 days ago:
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nrisin wrote:
how come you call yourself Giant frying pan?

No reason!

nrisin wrote:
I reckon this viral stuff is building up, also its introducing all new people to the music via this and boyd. Can't be a bad thing.

Agreed. It adds depth and a new layer (not to steal a term from the videos themselves) to the music. It's the first time the band's music has been properly expressed in visual form, even if it is massively, massively abstract.

nrisin wrote:
Feels like its leading upto something big. I know it won't be like the Find the Lost Ring arg but something meaningful.

I'm still not sure how big it will get compared to other, traditional ARGs, but I'm with you in that it's building to something in the self-contained world of these videos. A story is being told through them and I suppose it's our job to turn the pages.

nrisin wrote:
You ever seen anything like em before? There not music videos not adverts like these mad videos.

Nothing like the videos, though. But the concepts, themes and ideas...it's the kind of thing Rob put out there a while ago. Really cryptic stuff that very few of us understood, if anyone.

nrisin wrote:
On the credits it says boyd did sound as well as video. So they must of discussed loads to get to a point where hes going to remix their tracks.

Possibly. It could just be a reference to the original sound created by Boyd for the videos, on top of the music. There's a lot of it!


nrisin wrote:
Check the dates on boyd's work. The insect Eat video was made in 2003/4 and it has the blue neon lights and the videos after this date have this style.

Yeah that's a good point. I only watched that video once, for fairly obvious reasons!

[quote="nrisin"]Just looked at Carters worksite this different style to the rest of light works. Could be there matching boyds work so it all fits together.
Definitely possible.

nrisin wrote:
This is what makes me think that they could of all known eachother and talked about stuff before it all started. Remember the videos credit. It says studio sessions so before the album completion. Could be that boyd has been along but not working with the band thats why it feels all unified. Do you get what I mean?

I'm really not sure, but my gut feeling is that it's just referring to the main recording sessions in November/December.

I do have a theory though which you might have read and it's that Boyd has created more video work to be used during the band's main tour shows. There's a fair bit to support this. First, we obviously know that Boyd has worked on videos for/with the music. Secondly, he's created 'VJ sets' before, for other artists. Thirdly, the band have been vocal about their desire to step up the production values and added artistic elements in their live shows. It never quite came to pass with their second big tour though.

Have fun with the decorating!

cashman wrote:
It's my birthday today so I won't have much time to post anything else, but I will contribute more during the week.

Happy birthday!

freddy wrote:
It's really exciting that some one has found a cd, any progress on whether or not its works??

The DVD is likely a data disc, but he doesn't have a DVD drive in his laptop. He's going to get it read during the week.

* * *

A couple of new clues straight from the source have surfaced. smokeyleopard has posted comments on Youtube videos and sent messages reading:

"Find the 5th"

Other messages include:

"Theme: Growth
Find the 5th
Strength in Numbers"


And:

"Ignorance & Arrogance
Confusion
Identifying Problems
Problem Solving"


* * *

The 5th means the 5th layer of Sarg TMT, clearly. Now would could the other clues refer to...another Youtube account, perhaps?


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I got these too.

Started to have a proper look at them in the other thread.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=495922

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