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[RING][Podcast] #secret - The Secret Artifact
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HitsHerMark
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Larry604428 wrote:
HitsHerMark wrote:
Well, we don't know that these locations don't each have a labyrinth, but then, they all woke up with a labyrinth tattooed on their arms.

So the question is, what do these six locations have in common?


have u looked at the links, each place has a labyrinth drawing... thats what they have in common... they woke up in places with a drawing of the labyrinth unlike our current amnesiacs who woke up in real labyriths


Yes, I'm sorry. It was taking a long time for any of them to load and I jumped the gun. I'm a goof ball some times. *hangs head in shame*
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lol wat r u sorry for... we all make mistakes, im sorry if i sounded annoyed in my last post

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Re: 595

limako wrote:
Notice the hands in Chapter 2 show "595" as opposed to "696" for our current crop of amnesiacs. There is a numbering scheme implicit in this. And if we read the Greek name and use the other number, we may get additional logins into the omphaputer. Just a thought.


I'm not sure those two numbers are part of the same system. The 595 precedes a trident and a second number (or does it follow a trident and a second number? are the two arms shown from different people?), clearly indicating an Omphalos code (see http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Omphalos and Eli Hunt's podcast discussing the Omphaloi), whereas the 696 came up when five of our amnesiacs remembered kind of a "codename" for themselves consisting of a Greek word for an attribute followed immediately by 696 (e.g., sofia696). Speculation has been made that the 696 represents the 696th Olympic Games (i.e., the 2008 Olympics, if the Olympics had carried straight through from ancient times with no break).

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Re: 666th Olympiad

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The third year of the 666th Olympiad Begins June 22/23, 1887 and it ends July 09/10 1888.

Sourcehttp://www.numachi.com/~ccount/hmepa/calendars/666.3.Poseideon.html


No idea if it's relevant or not, but July 1887 also saw the publication of La Unua Libro -- the book that introduced the language of Esperanto to an unsuspecting world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Esperanto

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I split the #2 Austin discussion into its own thread as with 27 artifacts, this thread is going to xplode.

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Just as well - not sure why the omphaputer results were being posted in this thread anyway. Shouldn't they be going back in the Secret Site thread?

Or, as Weezel started - separate threads for major sites and the things they lead us to? As long as that doesn't chop up the discussion too much, might work.
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Just out of interest

Ariadne's Thread

In 1917, in Petrograd, Vladimír Szmurlo published another encyclopedia called Ariadne's Thread, with mere references as "A first try of an Encyclopedia of Esperantism; with a firm belief that out of that person ... a seed will grow a huge tree of the Universal Esperanto Encyclopedia." The first pages (one to eighty-eight) were printed in Riga. Due to military circumstances, the next pages of the book appeared infrequently, only after the letter "E", and with contents very in short supply and content.

I wonder if that is the Szmurlo they are referring to?
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Excellent reseach! It surley must be him - the athletes built upon the work of Szmurlo to try to make it easier for the teams that came after them to achieve a common understanding more quickly. (And then built a web app 60 years before the internet to facilitate things. Wink )

But please try to post this stuff in a relevant thread, gang! This is the thread about Eli Hunt's bronze artifact and the english message he found in it.

Ariadne's videos have a thread of their own. (Granted, at the moment that thread has also wandered OT into translating the codex, but you can help get it back on point!)

You also have the option, if you think a new game concept is developing, to start a new thread.
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Re: Just out of interest

Trak26 wrote:
Ariadne's Thread

In 1917, in Petrograd, Vladimír Szmurlo published another encyclopedia called Ariadne's Thread, with mere references as "A first try of an Encyclopedia of Esperantism; with a firm belief that out of that person ... a seed will grow a huge tree of the Universal Esperanto Encyclopedia." The first pages (one to eighty-eight) were printed in Riga. Due to military circumstances, the next pages of the book appeared infrequently, only after the letter "E", and with contents very in short supply and content.

I wonder if that is the Szmurlo they are referring to?



Wow, that's interesting! I'll research Russian sources about it.

Btw, I don't speak Esperanto (learning it from now, though), but the term "neordinara" seems to be borrowed from Russian, where неординарный (neordinarnyj) means "unconventional, non standard".

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Re: Just out of interest

Trak26 wrote:
In 1917, in Petrograd, Vladimír Szmurlo published another encyclopedia called Ariadne's Thread, with mere references as "A first try of an Encyclopedia of Esperantism; with a firm belief that out of that person ... a seed will grow a huge tree of the Universal Esperanto Encyclopedia." [...]


Wow, I've just learned something about the history of Esperanto! Thanks for that.

There's a wikipedia page about him in Esperanto:
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szmurlo
and I've just translated it into English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Szmurlo

kosmopol wrote:
Btw, I don't speak Esperanto (learning it from now, though), but the term "neordinara" seems to be borrowed from Russian, where неординарный (neordinarnyj) means "unconventional, non standard".


It's from many Indo-European languages -- it's just "ordinara", meaning "ordinary", with "ne-" to make it negative.

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Not sure how relevant this is, but the second page really sounds to me like some sort of a test. Like a "check all that you would say are true about yourself" test. Plus the bit at the top about knowing one's strengths, I think that the second page is at least part of a test to figure out which of the sixth traits you match up with. Of course, we don't have the test key.

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Weezel wrote:
Transcript (of the podcast):
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This is the most difficult story I've ever had to tell. I've waited 30 years to tell it. And I hope, when it's over, you'll understand why I've kept it secret until now. [onscreen] The Story of The Secret Artifact With Historian Eli Hunt

I'm Eli Hunt and this is my own story. The story of the secret artifact.

You already know how this story starts. When I was 10 years old, my parents took me to the ruins at ancient Olympia. Most of the tourists were paying attention to the best preserved parts - the Temple of Zeus, the palaestra colonnade, the entrance to the stadium. I was more interested in the piles of rubble, the places no one was looking. My parents didn't even notice I had left their side. It was 2 hours before they found me digging through the dirt a few meters behind

Pheidias' Workshop, the site where supposedly one of the seven great wonders of the ancient world had been made - the great gold and ivory statue of Zeus.

They were quite mad at me for running off, until I showed them what I'd found - mall bronze statue of a snake goddess.

And as you know from my biography, I turned that statue in to the museum, although of course I really wanted to take it home with me.

Later, their researchers authenticated it as a lost work of Pheidias. They were thrilled, my parents were as proud as could be, and the media dubbed me a young hero of history. I've been an avid fan and researcher of the ancient Olympic games ever since.

As fantastic as it sounds, all of that really is true.

But it's not the whole truth.

Yes, I discovered an ancient bronze artifact, and yes I gave it to the museum.

But I found something else that day.

And I didn't tell a soul.

I kept it, and I've studied it, for decades. I still don't know if I completely understand it. That's why I'm sharing it with you now. Time is running out. You may understand what I have failed to.

Here is the truth.

The sculpture was hollow, and when I ran my finger along the inside, I felt something rough - a piece of old, weathered paper. A tiny scroll, written on both sides, in English - not ancient Greek.

I had no idea what it was. Was it some kind of riddle or poem or prayer? I couldn't tell. But somehow, the fact that it was written in English - that made it okay to keep the scroll. It wasn't ancient. It didn't belong to the museum. It belonged to me.

I've long since memorized the words I first puzzled over that day in ancient Olympia. The cryptic directions begin with

"When the time comes, there will be no more time… When travelers appear, they will be washed clean by Lethe… As you wait for the six, you can build a House of Salomon..."

And so on.

At the end, a simple line, "Instructions for preparing the Lost Ring."

You can read all of it for yourself. But what I want you to know is this: I have been building that house for decades.

Now, it's time to share what I have built with you.

I realize at this point, you may not trust me completely. Surely, some of you will feel as though I have been cheating you by withholding what little I do know about the lost ring. So let me share one more story with you.

Do you know how the agonothetai and the hellanodikai punished athletes who were caught cheating at the ancient Olympics?

They created a giant statue of the cheater and put it on a pedestal right in the center of Olympia. It was the ultimate public shaming.

Now if this were 160 BC, maybe you would want to make a statue of me, for cheating you of the knowledge I've had. I wouldn't blame you.

But the Greeks had another tradition – extending the olive branch when it was time to make peace. That time is now. I know that I can trust Ariadne, and that I can trust you. No more secrets. I've opened the portal to you. From now on, what I see, you see. We are in this together.

[onscreen] www.TheLostGames.com



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Going back to a discussion of this podcast:
I think there has to be something more to this misattributed snake goddess statue. Why does he say the experts "authenticated it as a lost work of Pheidias" and assert 5 times that this is all really true, when that, at least, isn't? The sculpture isn't from the right culture or time period for Pheidias? I think he is lying about the origin of that scroll of paper.

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Here you can find more information about the "MINOAN SNAKE GODDESS"

It was discovered in 1903 by the British archaeologist Arthur Evans (Sir Arthur Evans after 1911) in the so-called Temple Repositiories on the site of the "palace" of Knossos on the Aegean Island of Crete.

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Are we being asked to believe that Pheidias, while working on the multistory statue of Zeus from his workshop in Olympia around 430 BC, took some time to cast a bronze copy of a type of small Minion ceramic snake goddess/ votive that had been made in around 1600 BC? Surely not? Are we asked to believe that researchers in the Olympia Archaeological Museum actually made that statement about the bronze piece that young Eli Hunt found, knowing it wasn't true? Are the researchers still in the business, there in Olympia, of suppressing evidence of the lost sport?

Are we supposed to believe that Eli Hunt, our amateur historian, and greek artifact buff, doesn't question this claim about his find, object that matches one with "canonical status in art history books." Does he pass the responsibility for questioning those researchers on to us? Or is it that he is reporting an event that never happened?

If a bronze artifact, not made by Pheidias, was planted in Olympia with the message inside, when would this have happened? No earlier than 1904, when the discovery of the Minoan Snake Goddess was published, and maybe right around the time of our postcards and codex writers? It would be part of the message, that figurine, putting the human labyrinth back into Olympia.

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During my research for "Ariadne's Dance" (especially together with "Knossos") I come several times across the Snake statue Eli found at Olympia.

I do not know if this was already posted somewhere:

There is a theory that the snake goddess is Ariadne!

You can easily find several pages for this theory, but here is a wikipedia quote :
Quote:

While the goddess' name is unknown, some have speculated it may have been "Ariadne," since that name may mean "the very holy one," and thus the Ariadne of Greek myth may be the Snake Goddess, "reduced in legend to a folklore heroine."


[Update] from the same wikipdia page: The snake goddess was part of the opening ceremony of the SUMMER OLYMPICS 2004 Smile

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