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[RING][OMPHALOS 2] RIBNITZ/DAMGARTEN
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Elizabeth123
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Message from Lucie

Just read this in Lucie's forum. She says the following:

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cher pingouin!

c'est quoi c'est un document du codex qu'il faut récupérer à bruxelles? tu es sur qu'il est là-bas?

je voudrais bien aller à bruxelles mais je ne peux pas pour l'instant, je suis à paris et je ne crois pas que bruxelles soit tout près. je pense qu'on devrait pouvoir demander à quelqun d'aller le faire, car pour moi c'est compliqué, je n'ai pas beaucoup d'argent, je ne connais pas du tout cette ville, je ne saurais pas ou dormir, etc... j'èspère qu'on va trouver une solution parceque moi ca ne me dit rien du tout d'y aller. dans tous les gens que tu connais il n'y en aurait pas un à bruxelles?


Which basically is saying she isn't able to go to Belgium, because of not having money, etc., and asks for help.

Okay, just saw Mr. Judkins' post. My question is...how does she know that we didn't find the Bruxelles codex? I doubt they're monitoring these forums to check what we have and don't have...I think she only finds out what's going on from our e-mails, and what's posted in the forums. So did someone e-mail her about this within the past couple hours, or is this part of the game, that a "mysterious person" who shouldn't have the codex chapter has stolen it?[/url]

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Well I suspect people have emailed her, but she could have seen it herself - that the codex reported "recovered" but nobody sent her a code.
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aliendial wrote:
Well I suspect people have emailed her, but she could have seen it herself - that the codex reported "recovered" but nobody sent her a code.
Yeah, but there would've been more of a time lapse before she blogged the question, no? Think of how much time it took to retrieve the other artifacts...Were people sending her the code right away? It was only an hour or two after Bruxelles was listed as recovered that she posted it on her blog.

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OK, that would need a [META] answer - I speculate that the PMs see that the group that found all the other chapters doesn't have it or even a hint of it - assuming the snatch is not malicious, they need to educate whoever took it, so why wait?
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aliendial wrote:
OK, that would need a [META] answer - I speculate that the PMs see that the group that found all the other chapters doesn't have it or even a hint of it - assuming the snatch is not malicious, they need to educate whoever took it, so why wait?
Which means they're monitoring unfiction? Or maybe someone e-mailed them?

It just seems weird to me that whoever picked up the artifact hasn't written about it here or in the forums. Another [META] speculation is we were moving too fast for them, and they found a way to slow us down...

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People always tend to underestimate the masses... Anyway, I've suggested that I would go if money was no object...but because it is, I'm gonna start the Isaac Dodgson Money for Trip to Brux Fund...

Any takers? anyone? Wink

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I posted a suggestion that Lucie ( we know she speaks french, after all) call the restaurant to see if they know what happened.

Or perhaps LaPingvino can, as he posted in french in her forums.
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It is already 1 am in central Europe, so the place might be already closed. We have to wait anyhow for a few hours, so perhaps the finder of the documents will contact us or Ariadne.

I am still wondering, how the omphaputer updates the artifact status. I always thought that it will mark artifacts as recovered after the input of the correct PRUVODEREHAVIGO command. Or do the owner of the artifact place inform the PMs when somebody took the documents?

In the first case, the person that found the dcuments knows the omphaputer and also the whole story.
In the second case there is the possibility that someone accidentialy found and took the documents, without knowing what to do with them. That would make it very difficult to get them back.

There is in my opinion a third possibility. This is part of the story and a third unknown party (the people who forbid the lost games hundreds of years ago) tries to prevent us from getting the documents.

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AUZ505 wrote:
It is already 1 am in central Europe, so the place might be already closed. We have to wait anyhow for a few hours, so perhaps the finder of the documents will contact us or Ariadne.

I am still wondering, how the omphaputer updates the artifact status. I always thought that it will mark artifacts as recovered after the input of the correct PRUVODEREHAVIGO command. Or do the owner of the artifact place inform the PMs when somebody took the documents?

In the first case, the person that found the dcuments knows the omphaputer and also the whole story.
In the second case there is the possibility that someone accidentialy found and took the documents, without knowing what to do with them. That would make it very difficult to get them back.

There is in my opinion a third possibility. This is part of the story and a third unknown party (the people who forbid the lost games hundreds of years ago) tries to prevent us from getting the documents.


The first case seems a bit unlikely unless i'm reading it wrong
The second case sounds all to likely given how global this thing is
And the third case also seems very likely to add a bit of a twist to this story

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1. Recovery - when Jasper was prompted to go back and take the Austin documents she left behind, and the Austin artifact did not show 'recovered" until she did so, we learned that the documents must actually pass into the hands of Ariadne's helpers. [Yes probably they have an arrangement to be told when the documents are actually taken.] But I also assume that recovery requires input of the code to the omphaputer. Which means someone has taken it and knew what to do with the code.

2. And you are right that there are other possible explanations - rather than an error or a player who forgot to share - another interesting alternative would be an intentional plot twist - black hats trying to block the games? We'll see what happens next, I guess.
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AUZ505 wrote:
There is in my opinion a third possibility. This is part of the story and a third unknown party (the people who forbid the lost games hundreds of years ago) tries to prevent us from getting the documents.


Our minotaur???

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aliendial wrote:
1. Recovery - when Jasper was prompted to go back and take the Austin documents she left behind, and the Austin artifact did not show 'recovered" until she did so, we learned that the documents must actually pass into the hands of Ariadne's helpers. [Yes probably they have an arrangement to be told when the documents are actually taken.] But I also assume that recovery requires input of the code to the omphaputer. Which means someone has taken it and knew what to do with the code.

2. And you are right that there are other possible explanations - rather than an error or a player who forgot to share - another interesting alternative would be an intentional plot twist - black hats trying to block the games? We'll see what happens next, I guess.


sapagoo posted here http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=498331#498331 that STEPHENVILLE showed recovered. That was actually earlier than the time at which I picked them up. So I am inclined to think the code has been entered, rather than the possibility that someone in charge of placing the documents has reported back to the PM's that the pagers were picked up.

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Yes but Austin did not show 'recovered' until after we all agreed you had to go back (at Ariadne's prompting), long [OK many hours] after lots of us had entered the code. Clearly the code is critical; perhaps the physical recovery part is a little more flexible. Or maybe the PMs figured they had us trained and stopped waiting for confirmation of physical recovery.
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myf wrote:
I imagine that our athletes would be able to find some way of getting to places if we can't, unless we need to tackle it as one of those wretched "social engineering" problems and convince someone we've never met who has no idea what we're on about to pick up an artefact in a foreign country, using only our guile, wit, charm and the power of Teh Intarwebs.

So... since we haven't found anyone who recovered the artifacts, we should probably call to see if they are still there (unless we find someone who is in Brussels).
The Tavern/Restaurant has 2 phone #'s
+32 2 511 47 47 and +32 2 511 47 46
From the US, that's 011 32 2 511 47 47 [011 means International, 32 means Belgium, 2 means Brussels]
We tried calling this morning. redivo did a GREAT job, speaking in Portuguese.
He asked about a picture /gravura a água-forte on the brick wall on the righthand side of the bar.
But the guy that answered seemed confused about the brick wall, and mentioned the "house below has a brick wall".
They are open from 12:00-15:00 and 18:00-24:00 local time. Brussels is GMT+1, East Coast is currently GMT -4, so Boston is 5 hours earlier than Brussels. (it's 16:00 local in Brussels right now, the tavern is closed for another 2 hours)
The 2 biggest stumbling blocks is the cost of the call, and language.
We don't know what language they speak other than Portuguese. It could be French, English, Dutch, maybe German. Riquardo, maybe you want to give it a try.

Enaxor found that 1010987 to Belgium costs 53 cents to connect plus 6 cents a minute.
We might also have an international calling card if someone wants to try it.

We just want to know if the document is still there (and if it is, we'll send someone to pick it up). However, if the person on the other end of the phone is helpful, try to get the 20 character "PRUVO" code at the bottom of the page so we can access it, in the meantime.

[Other ideas - there are at least 2 Belgian restaurants, and 1 Greek restaurant in the area, if you want to social engineer someone from there to check out the Tavern for us]
Final note: please tell us before you call, so we aren't all calling at the same time.

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I'm going to try it right now. Hold on.


EDIT: So I called and the guy who ansered said he didn't speak portuguese, asked if I spoke english. I then I apologized for the disturbance and explained the whole thing and told him the instructions we had. He kept saying yes, yes, yes as he was understanding everything and in the end I asked if he could tell me if the object/paper was still there. I think he didn't answer, he just said to call after 6 pm to the 32 2 511 47 46 number (I called the 47 47), because that's when there would be someone to talk in portuguese (at least it was the impression I had). I don't know if I'll be home at that time but if nobody has done it when I get back, I'll try again then.

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