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[RING][MISSIONS] Solve the puzzle of the wave forms
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VictorSueiro
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jasper wrote:
I was wondering about Renata being "exactly like Ariadne" too. But I'd guessed it meant exactly in terms of their situations, because otherwise Larissa would have said something like "I know you. You are Renata," or at the very least have said she thought Ariadne was the same person instead of saying she was like the person known as Renata.

I think our 6 athletes may be from separate worlds, but the same timeline, because the numbering of the Olympiads is consistent with our numbering if our games were continuous from the time of ancient Greek games.

Also, I don't think we're talking about a different planet as such. The earth is completely familiar to them. It's just a different um. . . reality.


Maybe "exactly like" is related to the situation (amensia-labyrinth), clothes, googles and that kind of things...

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Although the actual math and physics of quantum theory quickly leaves my head spinning despite finding out i am indeed a Sophia(Thanks Weezel for helping out with I feel like such a doofus) i have watched/ read enough sci-fi over the years to be able to understand at its most basic level the principles of simultaneous realities realities and so forth. hopefully my layman's understanding of such things. this matches with my interpretation of Adriane's dream as representing the scattering of ancient wisdoms across time, space and/or reality and the need to reunite them. The wave forms may in someway tell us just how our six friends travelled here and how to get them back.

i'm also noticing that many things in things in this game may have the potential to mean more than one thing at once. Sound also takes the form of waves and is both mentioned in New Atlantis and would appear if Chapter 6 is any indication that humming plays a role in our human labyrinth. Another possibility is that four distinct sounds need to be represented during the ritual
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AUZ505
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Actually we are just speculating in our Sofia missions. IMHO I think that the Sofia missions are more like "classical" ARG Puzzles. There are enough story speculating missions for the other strengths.

So here my approach:

It showed that waveform #1 (01011000) as written in the book was not the 1:1 transfer of the yes/no chart (which led to the correct 10100100)

Nevertheless it is a correct variation of the "the amplified reversal". There are two simoultanious states - Yes and No:
- For the first solution you start with No-Yes (01011000 = 88 )
- For the second solution you start with Yes-No (10100100 = 164)

I think the other solutions (00010110 and 11101000) are not allowed, because they start with two states which are equal.

Looking at the other Waveforms:
#2: One state exists -Yes --> No variation possible
#3: Again two states - Yes and No
- First solution 10010110 = 150
- Second solution 01010110 = 86
#4: Again starts with one state - Yes --> No variation possible

But the variations do not lead to a new IP:
88.109.150.213 --> N/A
88.109.86.213--> N/A
164.109.86.213 --> OOG (a page from maggi Smile

So I failed. But perhaps I have missed something?

[EDIT] some typos

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Re: Let's get back on track...

bux wrote:
Our mission is to figure out what the waveforms are - the "waveforms" being those from the notes in Francis Bacon's book on Atlantis and NOT those displayed when you enter the command "RUN GRAPH" on the omphaputer. Except for references to quantum mechanics (of which we have come across several in this game) there seems to be no apparent connection between the two (correct me if I'm wrong).


I appreciate that you want to make sure we don't get distracted, but I don't think we're off topic.

Two people have found a link between the notes in Bacon's book and the ip address of the secret site. You are right in saying that the only link between the ip address and the graph is Schrodinger's equation. Isn't this enough, though?

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AUZ505 wrote:
It showed that waveform #1 (01011000) as written in the book was not the 1:1 transfer of the yes/no chart (which led to the correct 10100100)

Nevertheless it is a correct variation of the "the amplified reversal". There are two simoultanious states - Yes and No:
- For the first solution you start with No-Yes (01011000 = 88 )
- For the second solution you start with Yes-No (10100100 = 164)


First, I don't think this is quite right. Note that the order is important.
10 - Yes No
1001 - Yes No - No Yes
00 - No No

The two side-by-side Nos "amplify" and cause two negatives to result from the collapse.

In other words, if the middle section is 0110 - No Yes - Yes No, then wouldn't the Yeses amplify? I think so.


AUZ505 wrote:
But the variations do not lead to a new IP:
88.109.150.213 --> N/A
88.109.86.213--> N/A
164.109.86.213 --> OOG (a page from maggi Smile

So I failed. But perhaps I have missed something?

I think there may be the possibility of more waveforms. One thing I've tried (and got nowhere) was a reversal of ALL the waveforms: 91.146.105.42 does nothing (or 91.18.105.42 for that matter..see below)

So, I just realized that Waveform #2 only has 7 states, as opposed to the others, which all have 8. for that to map to an IP address, a leading zero had to be assumed. To reverse the binary for that waveform above, I did it assuming that the leading 0 was reversed, and then assuming it wasn't part of the waveform and leaving it to be a 0.
I've also tried putting a trailing zero on it and seeing if that mapped to a valid IP web address (http://164.218.150.213/) with no luck.

Unless someone comes up with a good idea, I guess I'll be reading some Bacon. and Schroedinger.
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ariock wrote:
I think there may be the possibility of more waveforms.


Logically speaking you probably could come up with more waveforms, but I doubt they would be relevant to us as the notes in the book specifically mention "The four sacred forms".

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ariock wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
It showed that waveform #1 (01011000) as written in the book was not the 1:1 transfer of the yes/no chart (which led to the correct 10100100)

Nevertheless it is a correct variation of the "the amplified reversal". There are two simoultanious states - Yes and No:
- For the first solution you start with No-Yes (01011000 = 88 )
- For the second solution you start with Yes-No (10100100 = 164)


First, I don't think this is quite right. Note that the order is important.
10 - Yes No
1001 - Yes No - No Yes
00 - No No

The two side-by-side Nos "amplify" and cause two negatives to result from the collapse.

In other words, if the middle section is 0110 - No Yes - Yes No, then wouldn't the Yeses amplify? I think so...


Sorry, I do not totally understand your point:
My solutions come directly from the "book" and they work like this:

Solution #1a:
Step 1: Start with Yes-No (10).
Step2:
- Yes will become Yes-No (add 10) --> 1010
- No will become No-Yes (add 01) --> 101001
Step 3:
Both (Yes-No) and (No-Yes) will collapse to No (add two times 0) --> 10100100
That is the correct solution for the IP

Solution #1b:
Step 1: Start with No-Yes (01).
Step2:
- No will become No-Yes (add 01) --> 0101
- Yes will become Yes-No (add 10) --> 010110

Step 3:
Both (Yes-No) and (No-Yes) will collapse to No (add two times 0) --> 01011000
That is the waveform 1 from the book.

What is your interpretation? How do you see the connection between diagram and waveform?

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I would like to add a thought to what seems to be a head-acing puzzle.
The notes on the first page read: The four sacred forms, the navel of the world. This could be linked with the graph behind the globe. My guess is that there are 6 forms like 6 colored lines in the graph, and one navel corresponding to the white line in the graph.

The lines in the graph up until 1815 "run" along with the white line, but something happened for 2 of them in 1815 and they deviate from their course. My assumption is that the 6 lines represent the 6 parallel worlds (or realities if you like) our athletes come from and though the process of synchronization (that is running simultaneously through the labyrinth) they should coincide with the white line, or "open" the naval of the world.

Also, I go back and take a look at the 4 wave forms. From what I can understand, these are 4 probabilities that the parallel realities will collapse into one. They seam to be linked:
Wave #1 and Wave #3 – simple circle and double single circle
Wave #2 and Wave #4 - amplified reversal and amplified branching
Could there be a simple branching and an amplified circle?
Now, I will try to figure out if there could be an other set of probabilities, that is wave forms

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Smthing that i just noticed
On the image where that the personality test is, there seems to be a note inside the book. Do we know what it is?

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bux wrote:
ariock wrote:
I think there may be the possibility of more waveforms.

Logically speaking you probably could come up with more waveforms, but I doubt they would be relevant to us as the notes in the book specifically mention "The four sacred forms".

True, but there could be four Cursed forms perhaps. Or four forms of little to no significance. The thing is, we've pretty much already solved the first four waveforms.

We know how they correspond to the binary.
We know the binary corresponds to IP addresses.
We know how the waves themselves correspond to one way of looking at branching universes.

So apart from general speculation and reading Bacon and learning Schroedinger, what else is there?

Speaking of what else is there, I just tried the following in the Omphaputer: ATLANTIS, NEW/ATLANTIS, BACON, SACRED/FORM, SACRED/FORM/1, WAVE, WAVEFORM, and SACRED. Nada.


AUZ505 wrote:
Sorry, I do not totally understand your point:
My solutions come directly from the "book" and they work like this:


From the book, the name of the form is amplified Reversal. In the second row of the waveform from the book, there are two NOs side-by-side and connected by a dash. Those two Nos amplify and create two Nos following the collapse.

Contrast that with Wave #3 in the book, which shows a Yes and a No connected in the second row and a resulting Yes and No following the collapse.

That's what I mean by the order being important in that row. Wave #1: 1001 -> 00, Wave #3 0101 -> 10
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ariock wrote:
bux wrote:
ariock wrote:
I think there may be the possibility of more waveforms.

Logically speaking you probably could come up with more waveforms, but I doubt they would be relevant to us as the notes in the book specifically mention "The four sacred forms".

True, but there could be four Cursed forms perhaps. Or four forms of little to no significance. The thing is, we've pretty much already solved the first four waveforms.

From the beginning I've believed there must be some other IP address out there that we're supposed to find. Otherwise, why bother putting together this complex explanation of how Eli found the address? I have to feel like it's more than backstory, that it's actually a clue that'll lead somewhere. But like others, I've tried fooling around with a few potential waveforms to come up with a new site, and haven't found anything that works.

I don't know...It may make sense to construct a set of "rules" for how the branching seems to work, and make a concentrated effort to try all possibilities...But I'm not sure how big a task that would be, and of course it's just a hunch that there's another site we're supposed to find.

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on thelostring.com there is this old sheet, (maybe a page from the bacon book?), with the multi language "what's this all about" text and a nice coffee-ring.
there is something written on the back plus a yes-no waveform.
maybe it's one of the known pages, but I don't think so.
I've tried my best (reverse, brightness etc.), but I can't read anything at all

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swirl wrote:
on thelostring.com there is this old sheet, (maybe a page from the bacon book?), with the multi language "what's this all about" text and a nice coffee-ring.
there is something written on the back plus a yes-no waveform.
maybe it's one of the known pages, but I don't think so.
I've tried my best (reverse, brightness etc.), but I can't read anything at all


I played with curves in the gimp and was able to bring out the writing a bit, though not enough to read all of it 100%. What writing I was able to see seems the same as the page descrbing waveform #1 in the New Atlantis.

So the multi-language text seems to have been added to the blank page opposite the cover page, which you can see blank here: http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Image:Book2.jpg
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here it is flipped and rotated
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That's part of the "clue collage" on the official site.

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