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[RING][MISSIONS] Sofia - Monica's Postcard
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Tenchizard
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Puerta del Sol in Madrid is quite a big place, it's where we celebrate the New Year, right in front of the big clock. I think a human labyrinth could be made there, if we had to.

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On Ariadne's forum, someone raised the question of whether there are labyrinths in those cities. I made a lengthy post there pointing out some labyrinths in Toronto (see this page of the thread: http://forums.findthelostring.com/thread/1190?start=45). I think the most likely candidate is the Toronto Public Labyrinth: http://www.labyrinthnetwork.ca/toronto.htm

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I'm not sold on the idea of human labyrinths being necessary.

From the artifacts, we've gotten specific information on how to set up the labyrinths for 'synchronization' --

3-circuit: 12'x14'
5-circuit: 18'x22'
7-circuit: 26'x30' (Olympic-sized)

We have also been told that the distance between the labyrinth 'walls' should be 2 feet wide.

If you do the math, then you can see that a string-labyrinth of the kind illustrated on the artifact will just about fill the spaces listed above. Obviously, I suppose that they can be bigger, but I suspect that the 2-foot width of the paths is important if the whole goal is to run through them blindfolded.

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VictorSueiro
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AUZ505 wrote:
I do not think that these are the training locations. Taking Chapter 4 into account the training locations where those other 6 places here .

So what do they have in common:
- All are candidates for upcoming olympic games (which should not be known during Jorge's time)
- All of them have a subway/metro system (but some are quite new)

I have nor found any other commons so far (besides some really minor ones, like beeing on a list of tour data of Genesis, U2 ... or beeing part of the ATLAS cooperation like several other cities.

Putting just the city names into google search does not really help. but I keep on searching Smile


Yes, you are right.
Now i have these question. Is there any connection between the training points and the postcard's points? You know, can we connect the places one bye one?

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VictorSueiro
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Tenchizard wrote:
Puerta del Sol in Madrid is quite a big place, it's where we celebrate the New Year, right in front of the big clock. I think a human labyrinth could be made there, if we had to.


[THINKING]
Can we create an entire labyrinth in another way? I think that the only way we have to create a playable labyrinth is with "human bricks". We have to cooperate, we have to connect people and make they work together...

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iheathen wrote:
Another thing to note though, is the GPS coordinates we were given all point to almost identical positions as when you just type "Toronto ON" or "Copenhagen Denmark" into Google Earth. The only one of the six locations that really is very different is London. That definitely takes you to Clapham Station, not the place that typing "London, UK" into Google Earth takes you to.
And AUZ505 notes the same.

That is enough to convince me that the postcard from Jorge is not meant to point at WHAT is AT those locations as much as the LOCATION itself.

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danteIL
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Some thoughts:

We know that Jorge left the postcard behind.

We also know that Jorge went to London after he figured out the meaning of his tattoo.

It seems striking that the London location is so different from the city center, so maybe Clapham Junction is the only specific location that Jorge knew enough about to be specific? For the other locations, all he knew was the city, so he just gave the locations of the city centers.

I don't know how this helps, and it still begs the question of how Jorge knew enough to provide decimal point GPS accuracy in 1888+15=1903.

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More on Jorge

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and it still begs the question of how Jorge knew enough to provide decimal point GPS accuracy in 1888+15=1903.


Yes. The fact that he used DMS (degrees in minutes and seconds) and the fact that the bridge on the postcard seems to have been completed in 1910 leads me back to the time travel thing...

Also the first chapter of the Codex was written on November 11, 1918 (the offical last day of WWI)

It said that they started 27 years ago (1891) after finally finding each other.

Jorge would have been 21 at the time. He returns to Madrid 15 years after 1888 (1903) when Alfredo was now 21.

Alfredo may have more to do with our story.

Also it says "they" we practicing (in 1916-1918) for their 1920 event.

That would make Jorge 46 years old!! (Born in 1870)

If the tattoo ends up being on his left arm he may just be something more than an athlete.

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Jorge's Tattoo

UPDATE:

Monica just responded to Riquardos email about Jorge's Tattoo.

She confirmed that it was indeed on his RIGHT arm (although her drawings were different)

Sooooo we still need to identify the LEFT arm and the meanings for both...

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VictorSueiro
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MONICA'S EMAILS - TRANSLATE PLEASE

I don't have much time for translations... please, translate to english:

I send an email to Monica asking her to visit her uncle's home...

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Ya estoy de vuelta. Por una vez no me ha dado pena que se acabaran, porque estaba deseando retomar toda la investigación.

Por un lado, ¿has visto que Diego ha publicado una versión online del test para saber la fuerza ancestral de cada uno? (seguro que si, jeje) ¿Que te ha salido? A mi me ha salido Soprhosune Smile

Y por otro lado, he intentado ir a ver la casa de mi tío abuelo para echar un vistazo y examinar las pertenencias suyas que puedan quedar. En esa casa vive ahora una tía segunda mía. Es una señora mayor, solterona y con bastante mal humor. Creo que nunca le caí bien... porque cuando era pequeña e iba allí de visita, montaba mucho lío con mis primos, corriendo de un lado para otro y gritando. Creo que no le gustaban mucho los niños. El caso es que la llamé por teléfono para ver si la podía ir a visitar. Noté que estaba un poco reticente y sorprendida. Entonces le comenté por encima que la historia que contaba mi tío abuelo Alfredo era cierta, y que estaba continuando con su investigación. Creo que fue un error... por que en ese momento se puso nerviosísima. Con voz alterada me dijo que aquello era una tontería, y que estaba harta de la gente que últimamente no paraba de llamarla por la misma razón, para investigar la casa de mi tío abuelo. Y después de decir "quiero que me dejeis en paz" colgó el teléfono sin darme pie a decir nada más. ¿Que te parece? Ahora no sé que hacer. Además... ¿quién más ha llamado? es imposible que sepan la dirección porque no se la he dado a nadie!

A ver si se te ocurre algo que podamos hacer...

Besos,
Mónica


Then, i wrote her

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Me alegro que estes de vuelta!
Que mal... no pudistes hechar un vistazo...
Si vos no le diste la dir. a nadie... nadie deberia saberla, no al menos alguno de "nosotros". Por cierto, soy Sofia.
Mira Monica, estan pasando cosas muy raras, no se si sabes que a Ariadne le robaron las hojas de codice que tenia en su poder (le dejaron una nota que basicamente la invitaba a dejar todo como esta, que deje de investigar)... hay otra gente detras del codice, gente que no quiere que se conozca su contenido.
Si alguien mas quiso visitar la casa de Alfredo... es porque como nosotros sospecha que tal vez ahí haya algún dato mas... Tenemos que encontrar la manera de visitar esa casa...
Yo estoy en Buenos Aires, mucho no puedo hacer desde aquí mas que tirar ideas... si me das el telefono, tal vez pueda llamarla y hacer alguna "argentinada" jajaja...

Besos.


And her reponse

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He estado pensando y no creo que sea buena idea que un extraño la llame para intentar convencerla... me da la impresión que la haría cerrarse más, y se pondría más a la defensiva.

Considerando lo que le ha pasado a Ariadne y que parece que hay gente por ahí que sabe cosas, pero que no tiene intenciones muy claras, creo que debemos intentar entrar e inspeccionar los objetos de mi tío abuelo cuanto antes. Y tu razonamiento tiene todo el sentido del mundo. Si hay otros que creen que es interesante ver las cosas de Alfredo, no nos podemos arriesgar a que se lleven cualquier pista que podamos encontrar.

Tenemos que pensar cómo convencer a mi tía. No se que estrategia usar... ¿ir en persona? ¿intentar razonar por las buenas? ¿que argumentos podría darle? Seguro que me puedes echar una mano Very Happy

Besos,
Mónica


I'm gmail-chatting with her right now... planning the way to get in that home...

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VictorSueiro
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THE PLAN

She told me that Alfredo's wife (named Carmen) love cats. And when she was a child, she broken a "plant recipient" (maceta in spanish)... so, i told her that she have to visit Carmen with a recipient (with a plant), a funny kitten postcard and a great smile...
She was agree with the plan...

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Hi all not sure if anyone else is working on this, but I decided to translate it anyway. I translated as literally as possible while retaining a decent english meaning. It might sound a bit odd at times though, but I thought it was important to stay as true to the oirginal as possible. Things in parenthesis are my explanations, and things in brackets are my additions fro clarification.)

I will post the rest shortly.


Letter One:From Monica

I'm back. For once I'm not sad that they're* over (vacation, break I'm assuming), because I was anxious to resume the whole investigation.

On one hand, have you seen that Diego has published an online version of the test to find out the ancestral strength of each person? (sure you did, hehe) What did you get? I am a Soprhosune* (misspelling appears in the original) ☺

On the other hand, I have attempted to go see the house of my great uncle in order take a look around and examine those of his belongings that might still remain. In that house now lives a second* aunt of mine (tia segunda* is equivalent to a distant aunt, ie. Like once removed) She is an elderly woman, single*(solterona=old maid) and with a pretty bad temper. I don't think she ever liked me…because when I was little and went there on visits, I created mayhem with my cousins (closest English translation I could come up with), running to and fro and yelling. I think she didn't like kids much. The thing is that I called her on the phone to see if I could go visit her. I noticed that she was a bit reticent and surprised. So then I off handedly commented to her that [I thought] the story that my great uncle Alfredo used to tell was true and that I was continuing the investigation. I believe that was a mistake… because at that moment she got very nervous. With an altered voice she told me that that* (that thing, the story) was nonsense, and that she was sick and tired of the people that lately wouldn't quit calling her for the same reason, to investigate my great uncle's house. And after saying "I want you leave me in peace(alone is a better translation)" she hung up the phone without giving me a chance to say anymore. What do you think? Now I don't know what to do. Plus…Who else has called? It's impossible that they could know the address because I haven't given it to anyone.

Let's see if you can think of something we might be able to do…

Kisses
Monica


Letter Two:Response to Monica

I'm glad you're back!

Too bad…you weren't able to look around…
If you didn't give anyone the address…nobody should know it, or at least none of "us". By the way, I'm Sofia. Look Monica, really strange things are happening, I don't know if you know that the codex sheets that Ariadne had in her possession were stolen ( they left her a note that basically suggested she should leave everything alone, that she give up the investigation)…there's other people after the codex, people that don't want its contents known. If someone else wanted to visit Alfredo's house…it's because, like us, they suspect that perhaps there's more information there…We need to find the way to visit that house…I'm in Buenos Aires, I can't do much more than throw ideas out from here… if you give me the phone number, maybe I can call her and so some "argentinada" hahaha …

kisses



Letter Three: her response


I've been thinking and I don't think it's a good idea for a stranger to call her to try and convince her… it gives me the impression that it would make her close up more, and she would get more defensive.

Considering what has happened to Ariadne and that it seems that there's people out there that know things, but that don't have very clear intentions, I believe we should attempt to enter and inspect my great uncle's objects as soon as possible. And your reasoning makes all the sense in the world. If there are others who think it's interesting to see Alfredo's things, we can't run the risk of them taking any clue we might be able to find.

We need to think about how to convince my aunt. I don't know what strategy to use… go in person? Attempt to reason with her in a good way? Surely you can lend me a hand ☺

kisses,
Monica

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Re: MONICA'S EMAILS - TRANSLATE PLEASE

Here's interpretation from google/babelfish...

Monica wrote:
I'm back. For once I was not pained, because he was willing to resume his investigation.

One on hand - have you seen that Diego has published an online version of the test in order to know the strength of each prson? (Surely, jeje) What are you? He gave me Sophrosune:)

On the other hand, I tried to go see the house of my uncle's grandfather to have a look and examine the things that could be theirs. My second aunt now lives at that house. She's an elderly lady, sad(?) and quite angry. I don't think she ever liked me... Because when I was little and went to visit there, I made a lot of mess with my cousins, running from one side to another and screaming. I don't think she liked children much. The fact is, I called on the phone to see if it could visit. I noticed that she was a little reluctant and surprised. Then I suggested that the above story with my uncle-grandfather Alfredo was true, and that the investigation was continuing. I think that was a mistake... by then I was nervous. Slightly disturbed, she told me that it was nonsense, and that she was fed up with people who've been calling for the same reason, to investigate my uncle's grandfather's house. And after saying "leave me alone", she hung up the phone suddenly before I could say anything. What do you think? Now I don't know what to do. Besides ... Who else has called? It is impossible to know the this because I haven't told anybody!

See if you can think of anything we can do ...

XOXO
Monica


Her next reponse

Monica wrote:
I have been thinking and I do not think it is good idea for a stranger to call... I think her response would be more and more defensive.

Considering what happened to Ariadne, and it seems that there are people out there that know things, but we don't know their intentions, I believe we should try to go and check out my uncle's grandfather's things as soon as possible. And your reasoning makes perfect sense. If there are others who are interested in seeing Alfredo's things, we can not risk them following our tracks.

We must think about how to convince my aunt. Not using that strategy ... Go in person? Try and reason in person? What arguments could I give? I am sure you can lend a hand : D

XOXO
Monica


ETA: hah! aceituna - you're too fast Razz rather, I'm too slow... oh well
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From the in-game forums, thought this was worth quoting across into this discussion...

BlackProphet wrote:
So I went to Yonge and Bloor today Partially because I was bored, partially because I am really caught up with this mystery. I am glad I went because I FOUND SOMETHING. I think anyways.

Pictures are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25043941@N05/2364631557/in/set-72157604262233850/

The first connection I realized was that all of the locations are MAJOR TRANSPORTATION HUBS. This has already been mentioned numerous times in this thread. When I went to the location today there was a sign that stated that Yonge and Bloor was a Cememtary in the 19th century. So I remembered that the Boston site was at the location of the Boston Massacre. So I did some more digging:

Toronto - Biggest Subway station in Toronto, Site of Toronto's first secular cemetery (See pictures).

Madrid - Major Subway Sol Station, "Sol has historically been the stage of much unrest. It was here that the Esquilache mutiny started in 1766, the unlikely catalyst being the decree by Carlos III that society should don short capes and tri-cornered hats to mimic a disliked French fashion. The most notable unrest in Sol was on the 2nd and 3rd May 1808 when Madrid's people fought Napoleon's men, over 2,000 people were killed": http://www.madrid.world-guides.com/plazas.html

London - Clapham Station "the busiest station in europe", "There's an old British maxim that says when you die and go to Heaven, you will have to change at Clapham Junction.": http://bigworldsmallboat.blogspot.com/2006/03/falling-in-love-at-clapham-junction.html, "Clapham Junction is on the Menin Road and it was a crossroad with a few tracks meeting the road at that point for good measure. It's easy to spot today because it's marked by two obelisk-shaped memorials, one on each side of the road. One is dedicated to the 1st Gloucesters and the other to the 18th Division": http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=489

If you havent figured it out, the Conection with the sites is DEATH. Maybe when they say Multiverses, they are refering to the afterlife. Maybe the six have come back from the dead or the underworld of something. That would fit with the reincarnation theme I've seen mentioned before. If someone could find a death connection with the other two sites it would be great.

I also visited the Toronto public Labyrinth. Took some pictures, but it was half covered with snow. It is 11 circuits. I didn't see anything of note, although that Labyrinth is a perfect circle, so the configuration of the ones in the codex must mean something. But that is a topic for another thread. The only thing I noticed is that the Labyrinth is orientated true north, pointing almost directly at Yonge and Bloor. I will check on my GIS system tomorrow how accruate that is. It was just an eyeballing.


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Hey, that does sound promising.

Let's see.

chid12 wrote:


Madrid - The Sol Metro Station

London - Clapham Junction train station

Copenhagen - A bus station in the city centre

Boston - State Street (near the Station)

Toronto - The junction of Bloor St and Yonge St

Rio de Janeiro - Av Francisco Bicalho.



And BlackProphet already covered Toronto, London and Madrid. So.

COPENHAGEN. The only thing I could find was the Battle of Copenhagen in 1807. I don't know if that involved the Town Hall Square and the bus station near it, where the co-ordinates are located. Here's the stats. of the battle: "The British fired 5,000 rounds into Copenhagen on the first night of bombardment, only 2,000 rounds into the city on the second night, and 7,000 rounds on the third night. More than 2,000 civilians were killed and 30% of the buildings were destroyed during the battle." That's a lot of death.

BOSTON. We got this connection without even realising it.
Lysithea wrote:
Boston
Circular disk in the road marking the location of the 1770 Boston Massacre. According to google earth, this is very close to the co-ordinates, and I think that Weezel took a photo of it.


And RIO DE JANEIRO. I couldn't find anything (in English) worth mentioning, except this: Between 1978 and 2000, 49,900 people were killed in Rio. The numbers are comparable with war conflict zones like Baghdad and Kabul. That's a lot of death as well. Nothing to do with Av Francisco Bicalho, though - I think we've been ignoring this one, actually.

So we need a connection for Rio, and maybe one for Copenhagen?

Also.

This is jumping back a bit, but I have an idea about it.

aliendial wrote:
And accepting chid's premise, I wonder how Jorge knew to go to London and not, for example, Madrid. Anything in the cities or coordinates to suggest which athlete goes where?


Well, Ariadne went to Cardiff... to talk to Eli Hunt. Maybe Jorge had his own Eli Hunt?
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