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[RING][MISSIONS] Sofia - Monica's Postcard
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[RING][MISSIONS] Sofia - Monica's Postcard

Rather than keep the discussion in the Diego/Monica email thread, I thought we should start a specific mission thread. I'm going to cut and paste the info collected so far. I'll let you all add your spec as appropriate.

AUZ505 wrote:
Ariadne started a new thread on her forum, asking about the coordinates (yes she writes coordinates Wink) of Monica's postcard.

Quote:

We have to solve the 100-year-old puzzle that Monica gave us.

What do the coordinates on the old Madrid postcard mean?

Even if we know where they map to, how do they fit together?


Did we miss something? I think, we still do not know the connection of the 6 cities (London, Madrid, Boston, Rio de Janeiro, Copenhagen, Toronto)



As posted on Ariadne's forum:
redivo wrote:
The coordinations say

El Multiverso (the multiverse)

Estamos aqui (we are here)
40.4167, -3.7033
y aqui (and here)
51.4646, -0.1705
y aqui (and here)
55.6763, 12.5681
y aqui (and here)
42.3584, -71.0568
y aqui (and here)
43.6702, -79.3868
y aqui (and here)
-22.9035, -43.2096


The GPS coordinates are located at:

40.4167, -3.7033 - Madrid
51.4646, -0.1705 - London
55.6763, 12.5681 - Copenhagen
42.3584, -71.0568 - Boston
43.6702, -79.3868 - Toronto
-22.9035, -43.2096 - Rio de Janeiro



D72W wrote:
Its interesting how there is order to the coordinates on this postcard...

Madrid (where to Jorge started) to
London (where he went next) to
Copenhagen to
Boston
Toronto
Rio

Seems like he (they?) went to one location wrote it down then to the next etc etc....



Also from ariadne's forum:
chid12 wrote:
Using GoogleMaps, the co-ordinates point to:

Madrid - The Sol Metro Station

London - Clapham Junction train station

Copenhagen - A bus station in the city centre

Boston - State Street (near the Station)

Toronto - The junction of Bloor St and Yonge St

Rio de Janeiro - Av Francisco Bicalho.

It could be the places that the six athletes were found, or arrived, but that's unlikely since this year, all six athletes were found in labyrinths, not busy city centres. So they must be locations that people went to afterwards, and most seem to be at bus, train or metro stations in the middle of large cities. Places where there'll be lots of traffic, lots of people...


And...the discussion has proceeded in Ariadne's forum, with the result that Weezel is going to look at the Boston location.
http://forums.findthelostring.com/thread/1190?start=0&tstart=0

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Spec I've seen mentioned about this - is this where they (Jorge et al.) did their training? (but it's not the same cities as the buildings being found in the architecture thread).

Could there be something we are supposed to see at these locations?

Could there be webcams there?

Could this be where the new athletes are supposed to train?

Could this be where the "real" labyrinths must be run to synchronize the worlds?

Or could the puzzle mean something else entirely? Are these Olympic cities? Are they an anagram of something interesting? Do the points on a map spell out "kick me"? OK probably not that last one. Brainstorm a bit.
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Postcard

Are we SURE the tattoo is what lead Jorge to London?

The tattoo on the right arm would read 20<--595 instead of the other way around....is there a "leader" (the left arm shown) at these locations?

Why were these 6 people found so close together but the postcard locations are so far away?

All the coordinates seem to be at different "ports"...are they portals to different worlds?

Just more food for thought Very Happy

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sapagoo wrote:

I don't know if it is a coincidence:


London won the 2012 Olympics
Madrid lost in their bid for the 2012 Olympics, but is bidding for 2016.
Rio lost in their bid for the 2012 Olympics, but is bidding for 2016.
Copenhagen is considering a bid for 2020.
Boston is considering a bid for 2020.
Toronto is considering a bid for 2020.
Athens could be the ghost of Olympic past, Beijing the ghost of Olympic present, and London/Madrid/Rio/Copenhagen/Boston/Toronto are the ghosts of Olympic future.


And then Jasper mentions how these yes/no/maybe states remind her of the wave form puzzle...
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Diego's location

aliendial wrote:
sapagoo wrote:

I don't know if it is a coincidence:


London won the 2012 Olympics
Madrid lost in their bid for the 2012 Olympics, but is bidding for 2016.
Rio lost in their bid for the 2012 Olympics, but is bidding for 2016.
Copenhagen is considering a bid for 2020.
Boston is considering a bid for 2020.
Toronto is considering a bid for 2020.
Athens could be the ghost of Olympic past, Beijing the ghost of Olympic present, and London/Madrid/Rio/Copenhagen/Boston/Toronto are the ghosts of Olympic future.


And then Jasper mentions how these yes/no/maybe states remind her of the wave form puzzle...


Remember that Diego is in northern Brazil, maybe he can go Rio to take a look.

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Re: [RING][MISSIONS] Sofia - Monica's Postcard

chid12 wrote:
Using GoogleMaps, the co-ordinates point to:

Madrid - The Sol Metro Station

London - Clapham Junction train station

Copenhagen - A bus station in the city centre

Boston - State Street (near the Station)

Toronto - The junction of Bloor St and Yonge St

Rio de Janeiro - Av Francisco Bicalho.

It could be the places that the six athletes were found, or arrived, but that's unlikely since this year, all six athletes were found in labyrinths, not busy city centres. So they must be locations that people went to afterwards, and most seem to be at bus, train or metro stations in the middle of large cities. Places where there'll be lots of traffic, lots of people...


Do we know from which date the postcard is? I think it should be some years after 1880. Is there some possibility to find out what has been on these places at this time? I guess some stations are build later.

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Well an earlier mention was that the bridge in the photo on the front was started in 1901. Construction was for some time after that (1910?)

The bridge looks finished in the photo that was given to Monicas uncle in 1904.

Makes me wonder about some sort of time travel between "worlds"

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From A Monica post

I found an earlier post from Monica...(Ref:Jorge)

"all of a sudden one day said that he had at last found the meaning of his tattoos, and without further ado, he went to London"

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I think I might have worked out what the co-ordinates mean.

In Chapter 4, the old six stated:

"A synchronizing labyrinth must be created at a special, predetermined place. The worlds will agree about a specific set of coordinates - longitude and latitude - for the center of the labyrinth. You must center your labyrinth at these chosen coordinates, or the synchronization will fail."

The word "synchronising" is used, as though the six people compete at the same time, but in different places. The labyrinths synchronise somehow, so long as they're centred at the specific co-ordinates.

And what's on the postcard? Six sets of co-ordinates.

Chapter 4 also talks about hiding labyrinths:

"Because your labyrinth is a lost sport in your world, you must find places, where you will not draw undesired attention to your creation.

During our own training for our 1920 synchronizing event, we found success by "hiding" our labyrinths in the clear view of those non-initiated. To escape their sight, we chose places where sport, playing, festivals and other special events often take place."

Where else would you find sites which could host sports, games, festivals and special events regularly but big cities? Large cities which, because of their facilities could host the Olympic Games.

In another thread, people are trying to work out the locations of the images in Chapter 4. So far they've come up with Helsinki, Rome and Stockholm. All large cities, all cities which could (and did) host the Olympics.

Furthermore, we know that all six cities listed in the co-ordinates are large and could host the Olympics because one (London) will in 2012, and the others are bidding to host the games in the future.

So that's what I reckon the co-ordinates mean. They were the co-ordinates of the centres of the synchronising labyrinths back in 1920 referred to in Chapter 4 of the Codex! The old six went to those places because they knew they could build their labyrinths there and train. They then used them for this "synchronisation" event.

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Ok, so I went to the Boston location today and have some pics at
Flickr.

I didn't know what to look for, so I was looking for things that were notable or out of the ordinary.

The Google map puts you close to Quaker, but when we actually got out of the car and started walking around, it put us closer to the intersection as you will see by my images.

We didn't find anything obvious in terms of a poster, sign, sticker, writing, etc. So we looked for plaques or other items. There is alot of history in that area, and perhaps we are looking for something that happened at the time they would have been there.

Also, the wiki had the coordinates in one place as a 4, and in two others as a 9. Unfortunately, I took a small copy of the image with me, and couldn't confirm in onsite. Later, looking at the image closer, it really appears to be a 4 (notice the block angle construction, unlike the other 9s) and I've subsequently updated the wiki.

The difference puts you on different sides of the street.

I also left my real GPS in NJ (where I live) and was only in the area for the holiday. Though I dragged my Brother in Law with me since he was a local. He was very excited to help, though slightly disappointed that we didn't find anything.

Thats not to say that there isn't something to find, just that we didn't find it.

We wound up using my TomTom, which I finally did get to show me decimal notation to 5 decimal places, but the tall buildings in the area were giving me a real hard time, and the TomTom's internal battery is really just for short term, so by the time we walked around for close to 40 minutes, we drained it out totally.

So we have options.. look there again. Look elsewhere first and see if something jumps out at us. Tackle the problem from a different way. While they might be coordinates, maybe there is a chance that they are used for something else.
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One thing I got confused on when I was there was the time difference from the age of the postcard. If this was from Jorge in 1888 and Monicas uncle had it 15 years later, we looking for how the place would have been in the early 20th century. Alot different than it is now.
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Chid12 wrote:
I think I might have worked out what the co-ordinates mean.

In Chapter 4, the old six stated:

"A synchronizing labyrinth must be created at a special, predetermined place. The worlds will agree about a specific set of coordinates - longitude and latitude - for the center of the labyrinth. You must center your labyrinth at these chosen coordinates, or the synchronization will fail."

The word "synchronising" is used, as though the six people compete at the same time, but in different places. The labyrinths synchronise somehow, so long as they're centred at the specific co-ordinates.
Interesting. Smile I had jumped to the conclusion that there would be just one synchronising labryinth in our reality, and that the other synchronising labyrinths would be created on other worlds/parallel universes/alternate earths. Once the synchronisation across the multiverse has occurred, then further communication should be possible.

However, I really like your idea that something must happen at all six postcard locations simultaneously.

My research hasn't revealed much. The co-ordinates aren't just public places in large cities, they are the busiest places. The Madrid and Copenhagen co-ordinates are next to large, busy pedestrian areas - perfect for setting up a labyrinth in plain sight. The same is probably true of the large capacity train stations.

Puerta del Sol, one of the busiest and most well known places in Madrid.

By throughput Clapham Junction is claimed to be the busiest railway station in Britain. It is the busiest station in the UK by the number of interchanges.

The Bloor-Yonge TCC (Toronto Transit Commission) station is the busiest on the Toronto system, serving approximately 368,800 people per day.

Copenhagen city hall
webcam
google earth photo
Town Hall Square, probably the busiest, most bustling spot in Copenhagen

Boston
Circular disk in the road marking the location of the 1770 Boston Massacre. According to google earth, this is very close to the co-ordinates, and I think that Weezel took a photo of it.
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Chid12 wrote:
I think I might have worked out what the co-ordinates mean.

In Chapter 4, the old six stated:

"A synchronizing labyrinth must be created at a special, predetermined place. The worlds will agree about a specific set of coordinates - longitude and latitude - for the center of the labyrinth. You must center your labyrinth at these chosen coordinates, or the synchronization will fail."

During our own training for our 1920 synchronizing event, we found success by "hiding" our labyrinths in the clear view of those non-initiated. To escape their sight, we chose places where sport, playing, festivals and other special events often take place."



I have quoted the above statements because I feel they are important.

Lining up longitude and latitude with something else seems like a good clue.

If the postcard locations are "ports" I think this isnt exactly where "sport, playing, festivals and other special events take place" BUT I think the reference to "center" and "big city" are on the right track.

Just my .02 Very Happy

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I really like your analysis chid12. I wonder if it's the same locations every time or if we'll need new locations for this olympic games?

And accepting chid's premise, I wonder how Jorge knew to go to London and not, for example, Madrid. Anything in the cities or coordinates to suggest which athlete goes where?
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I'm back! Finally. Moving house killed me.

Okay, so. Thinking about this, about the way that we have specific co-ordinates that connect to places inside the cities, have we tried looking at the streets surrounding the stations? Are they vaguely cyclical, as would match a labyrinth? Or, the fact that the 'centres' of what we believe to be the training labyrinths, that we've been given the co-ordinates for, are stations - that's interesting. They wouldn't have been stations back then, of course - or maybe the train stations would have been in existence? Check out the routes and the subterranean tunnels - are they labyrinthine?

Just a thought. Very Happy
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