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FatmanRising
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 		Remember that this is manga...which is just basically a comic book, which would explain the slightly different look of the monster. The people aren't photorealistic, after all. It's just a stylized version of the monster, IMO.

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FatmanRising wrote:
Remember that this is manga...which is just basically a comic book, which would explain the slightly different look of the monster. The people aren't photorealistic, after all. It's just a stylized version of the monster, IMO.


I second that. Manga comics don't have any size limitations. Did you not see the blond girl? Razz

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 		Hmmm... I love the page in the comic where they fire everything at it and it seems to fall in the dust and smoke and then lunges out and attacks! Looks familiar huh? Also the parasites are they feeding off MGP or are they just living on him? On the picture close up of the parasites on MGP their mandibles and mouthparts are shut and not poking into MGP. So maybe they just latch on to him and wait for him to exit the water because they obviously start itching him and he scratches em off... I'm sorry I think the parasites are soooo awesome I want to know more about them...!

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 		Sorry... new to the forums, but I've been following this whole thing over at the FB group as well as on Cloverfield Clues.

I have been trying to catch up though, at least with regards to the manga. First of all thanks a LOT to Kosmo for translating.

Second, there was the issue about the multiple monster idea. I realize that in the film there was only one seen, however, does that necessarily mean there is only one in the world!? In other words, wouldn't it be possible for there to be a Japanese monster as well as the US... maybe even the mother or the US monster or something?

Originally, I thought this manga was happening in a "manga-ized" version of NY, but I soon realized this is Japan. But given the fact this is a prequel and there is a monster attack, how is it possible that there was no news feed of THIS attack outside of Japan to shed some light for when the NY attacks occur!?!?

Unless that is somehow related to the ChimpanzIII satellite crashing, maybe to force a communications black out for Japan!?

One final thing bugging me is the time frame of events, both in this manga and the game itself. Since we saw the captured "Teddy" picture, does this mean that Lizzy still has not received her package in this timeline, even though the events of the film have already come to pass!?

And again, this raises the question of when do these attacks take place in regard to the Chuai Station news report as well as the ChimpazIII crash.

Sorry to throw so much out there at once, but, like I said, I'm new here and want to get this out there to receive some fresh opinions on it all.

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 		IMHO, there's two monsters during the actual film. i do a lot of work on the cloverfield despoiler site, i actually manage the kishin page. anyhow, think about what you can remember from the film. the monster knocks off lady liberty's head, runs down the street destroys the woolworth building.... and then it jumps back into the water and destroys the bridge, jumps back out and starts rampaging? makes no sense. i've had a bootleg for a while and have been studying this. there's a momma, and a baby. you see the baby first. the one causing most of the damage is the momma. the first monster we see in the film is big, but the one through the rest of the film is HUGE. at the end, when hud is eaten, that's the baby again. we've all discussed jj abrams, and the mysteries he loves to weave. think back to the helicopter scene... the monster has huge, out-turned elbows. the monster that attacks hud is significantly smaller, and has weird double-jointed, insect-like elbows. jj wouldn't show two anatomies of the same monster for no reason.

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porrphyrhia wrote:
IMHO, there's two monsters during the actual film. i do a lot of work on the cloverfield despoiler site, i actually manage the kishin page. anyhow, think about what you can remember from the film. the monster knocks off lady liberty's head, runs down the street destroys the woolworth building.... and then it jumps back into the water and destroys the bridge, jumps back out and starts rampaging? makes no sense. i've had a bootleg for a while and have been studying this. there's a momma, and a baby. you see the baby first. the one causing most of the damage is the momma. the first monster we see in the film is big, but the one through the rest of the film is HUGE. at the end, when hud is eaten, that's the baby again. we've all discussed jj abrams, and the mysteries he loves to weave. think back to the helicopter scene... the monster has huge, out-turned elbows. the monster that attacks hud is significantly smaller, and has weird double-jointed, insect-like elbows. jj wouldn't show two anatomies of the same monster for no reason.



Interesting theory mate, but regarding the size of the monster when he eats HUD, it was discussed that the monster would look that size from the shown perspective. There are quite a few things wrong with that scene anyways. Where did he suddenly disappear after eating Hud? The entire purpose of the scene was to show movie goers MGP in a close up shot. Nothing more. Also if I am not mistaken, one of the three (Abrams, Goddard and Reeves) said that there was only one monster?


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Originally, I thought this manga was happening in a "manga-ized" version of NY, but I soon realized this is Japan. But given the fact this is a prequel and there is a monster attack, how is it possible that there was no news feed of THIS attack outside of Japan to shed some light for when the NY attacks occur!?!?


What could happen is that the attacks on Japan in the manga and NY in the movie happened almost at the same time. MGP attacks Japan and during that attack all the communication devices go down, and immediately he heads to NY, destroying Chuai on the way. Nobody can communicate because nobody survives. Except Teddy of course, he gets to contact Jamie.

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 		For those of us who've kinda stopped following the ARG since the movie's release, could someone briefly summarize the Kishin manga so far? I'll be sure to give you a nice big Brownie

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eliwein wrote:
For [sub]those of us who've kinda stopped following the ARG since the movie's release, could someone briefly summarize the Kishin manga so far? I'll be sure to give you a nice big Brownie
Better come with milk



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Episode 1

The story focuses on a young boy named Kishin Aiba (Or Aiba Kishin in Eastern order). It opens with pictures of something being dragged by chains underwater, which irritates a giant squid. The scene quickly switches focus to Kishin, whose thoughts ponder on why he was born. A scene switch featuers Kishin being bullied at school. The bullies dunk his face into a bucket of water, and beat him relentlessly. Then, they bind his arms with his own belt, remove his trousers, and play keep-away with them, saying terrible things to him all the while. A young girl named Aiko tries to intervene, and return Kishin's pants, but to no avail. An emergency alarm sounds, but is quickly revealed to be a malfunction that caused it. Aiko wonders why, as there was an emergency alarm just "a little while ago". We then switch to a large Tagruato ship, which is towing something behind it with large, colossal chains. A bleached haired crew member shows off his cellular phone, featuring pictures of his pregnant wife. He speaks proudly of her to his crew mates, much to their chagrin, and of his desire for returning home. As he shouts proudly to the skies of his return to her, the focus pans to the massive chain links beginning to snap.

Back at the school, the bullies appear to have locked Kishin into an emergency storage house. Aiba pulls out a picture of his mother, and we then learn that she is deceased, killed by an unknown ailment. In a series of flashbacks, it is learned that Kishin has been teased and bullied his whole life, for his mother was "wrong in her head", and "weird", probably due to her eccentric nature. His mother reassures him afterwards, that as long as he cares for her, it doesn't matter what anyone else says or thinks. We see a young Kishin standing over his dead mother's body, and back in the present, we learn that Kishin still wishes that he had died along with her. The bullies in the flashback are depicted mocking him. They tease him for crying about his mother, and for being "gross", referring to his relation with her. The final straw is broken when one of the boys shouts "only your parents could commit such a sin as having you". As we see a close-up of Kishin's enraged, teary-eyed face, the large object being towed behind the Tagruato ship begins emerging from the water...



Episode 2

The story opens with a commercial advertisement for Slusho, touting it as an "unknown experience," with a "power overflow". We then go to a different Tagruato ship. Through a window, a massive length of chain is seen rising, just before the ship is violently broken in half. We learn that two seperate ships have been destroyed at this point, while the remaining ships communicate via radio, wondering "why is it coming out?" One of the ships launches a missile attack. After a fleeting glimpse of the monster (with the last of its shackles breaking), and the crew wondering if the target was "silenced", we see that ship being destroyed as well. The crew aboard the original Tagruato ship (the one that was towing the monster) boasts that they will surely make it home alive. The monster swims towards the ship, and the crew begins attacking with large caliber gun turrets, and their machine guns. Its hand emerges, and squeezes an on-deck crewman to death in its hand. It rips another crewman in half, and moves in to clutch yet another. The monster is submerged throughout the attack. We are brought back to the bleached haired man (named Kurosaki, as seen in the gflashback) with the cellphone, screaming of "what will happen when the secret gets out". The monster's hand slowly rises from the water again, and crashes down, splitting the vessel in two. We see a short glimpse of a Tagruato regiment being briefed on a "top secret mission". Kurosaki "finally knows," what that secret was, "but too late". He glimpses again at the photo of his pregnant wife, which seems to motivate him to survive a little longer. He mutters that he will survive for the sake of his family, as he tumbles into the monster's gaping mouth.

The scene switches to the Tagruato Corp.. There's a sinister, dark-haired scientist with glasses. After being treated to some VERY interesting dialogue ("It appears the experimental object in the cargo begins to rage", "We have no choice but to begin with emergency plan E, and then we'll see what he does", "And then, the transport order of HIM"), the Slusho commercial airs again in the background.

We switch back now to Kishin, who is left alone in the storehouse. Aiko (now fully identified as Aiko Sasahara) opens the storage closet, and Kishin begins to lament about his mother. Aiko tries to relate with Kishin, by speaking of her own deceased father, and mentions her promiscuous mother. Kishin wonders about why he is so miserable and depressed, and expresses his envy of Aiko's strength, and his own feelings of uselessness. Aiko is quite angered by this, and begins to scold Kishin about rising above those feelings. Suddenly Aiko clutches strongly to Kishin, much to his surprise. No, he isn't getting lucky, there is actually a mouse in the room, and Aiko is terrified of mice. She hides, and Kishin can't help but be shocked that with her strength, she would be so afraid of something so small.

Back in school, it appears that the emergency alarm that alerted the students WASN'T a drill, as students are now wondering what is actually happening. We're shown a flashback of Kishin's past, concerning his father. He tries to brag to him about scoring 100 points on a test, but his father is far too cold and busy to care. He tells Kishin to "go away". Back in the present, the bullies find Kishin again in the assembly room. They goad him about not being in the storehouse, and tell him to find shelter from whatever emergency is taking place. They then shove him into the wall. They command that he strip off his clothes, and run around the gymnasium, as "running around will surely make him safe". Mustering his courage after his scolding from Aiko, he reaffirms himself that he CAN do something. And that that something has "already happened". He dashes to the school doors, and runs outside in hopes of avoiding them, only to see fighter planes zooming past. Everyone is wondering what is going on, as other students still inside are watching news video footage on some portable tv devices. The news broadcast views the monster rampaging in Japan's oceans and states the government representatives are keeping quiet about "its" origin, and that the footage they are seeing was recorded by a fishing boat. "It" is still 100 km from the coast, and it isn't known whether the mobilization of military forces and emergency alarms are related to "its" presence. Sasahara resolves that she must return to her home, and Kishin watches her flee on her bicycle, wondering where she is going, and what is happening. He spots a discarded bicycle near some trash cans outside of the school and rushes to her with haste...

Back to the scene at sea. The pilot in one of the fighter jets states the he can see, and attack "the target". Just then, out of the ocean the monster leaps into the air, swatting down the fighter jet in a violent explosion. It is revealed where the beast is heading, and what "coast" it was that was referred to in the news broadcast: Tokyo.

Aiko is nearing her neighborhood, and it seems that the rest of the people there are evacuating. Suddenly, Kishin comes crashing in on the bicycle he found. He states that he was worried about her, and Aiko looks at him with warm eyes. She speaks of how the school uniform tie she is wearing was a present from her father, originally belonging to her promiscuous mother. She snaps out of it, and asks if he is okay, and if he truly was worried about her. He gets nervous, and says he wasn't thinking anything "bad" happened. She gets a little angry that he wasn't "actually worried", but then insists she was only joking. Kishin decides that he will go with her. They get back on Aiko's bicycle, and start talking about Tagruato. Kishin mentions his father's high position there. He talks about how all sorts of famous people are involved, like the celebrity in the Slusho commercial, a famous pop singer named Yuki. Aiko LOVES Yuki, and Aiba says that his father had brought home autographed pictures of him. A soldier suddenly appears, screaming that the area they are heading to (presumably Aiko's home) is completely blocked, and that they must find shelter. They quickly turn around, with Aiko saying they now have something more important to do (go and find the autographed Yuki photo), while Kishin just laughs. They arrive at Kishin's home, and enter. Sasahara is immediately frightened of Kishin's pet hamster, as Kishin goes to fetch the photos, which are in his father's room. Upon reaching the room, Kishin has another childhood flashback. As a young boy, he tried to go into the room out of curiosity, only to be scolded severely at by his father, that "things that aren't for children" were in there. Back in the present, Kishin sees his father's door is open. Upon entering, he sees strange human x-rays, and his own clinical records. He ponders what kind of work his father must have been doing, and feels intensely scared and sorry to even be in there. As he notices things are scattered around, he gets a feeling that someone had rifled through the room. Just then, he hears Aiko's ear-splitting scream.

As he bursts into the living room, he finds a strange, ski-mask wearing man has Aiko hostage with an ornament resembling a miniature version of the monster's finger/toenail on his wrist. The man throws Aiko down, and in another reaffirmed rage, Kishin rushes the masked man. Another masked man appears behind Kishin , and clubs him in the back of the head, knocking him unconscious. They order Aiko to be bound, but she makes a swift and reckless move which allows her to escape. Once outside, she encounters more soldiers. She begs them to come back with her and save her friend, which they agree to do, ONLY if she leaves with the rest of the troops to a nearby shelter. Once she is escorted away, they ignore her pleas, and state that "everyone has been evacuated to the shelters". Aiko's last dialogues imply she will continue her search for Kishin later.

Now in a mysterious, darkened room, Kishin awakens to find himself shackled to a large chair. Two candles ignite behind him, and strange robed-and-masked men appear. As he looks up at them their masks become visible: they are rough, almost statue-like visages of the monster's face. Another, larger man approaches Kishin . When the candlelight makes him visible, we see a man in an elegant robe. He wears a similar mask, though horned and FAR more detailed, surrounded with blazing, wild hair. He places his hands on Kishin 's head and says, "You are welcome. We are sent by God". The final frame reveals two of the monster-nailed bracelets on the elegant-robed man's wrist.


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 		i love you for copy/pasting my summaries Very Happy

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randythered wrote:
FatmanRising wrote:
Remember that this is manga...which is just basically a comic book, which would explain the slightly different look of the monster. The people aren't photorealistic, after all. It's just a stylized version of the monster, IMO.


I second that. Manga comics don't have any size limitations. Did you not see the blond girl? Razz

Agreed.

Alot of manga is highly stylized and cartoony, realism obviously isn't what they're focusing on here.

The Monster is a big as hell here because lets face it, it's cool as hell.

Definitely only one monster as stated before and theres never been anything at all other than random fan speculation to suggest otherwise.

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Dr. Chaos wrote:

Alot of manga is highly stylized and cartoony, realism obviously isn't what they're focusing on here.

The Monster is a big as hell here because lets face it, it's cool as hell.

Definitely only one monster as stated before and theres never been anything at all other than random fan speculation to suggest otherwise.


Although, the monster isn't very cartoony... It's freaking scary and looks entirely based off of the small eyed toy angryface.

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FatmanRising wrote:
Remember that this is manga...which is just basically a comic book, which would explain the slightly different look of the monster. The people aren't photorealistic, after all. It's just a stylized version of the monster, IMO.

I think you guys are having your cake and eating it too. You can't take some parts and leave out the other.
However, i hope you're right. I always liked the idea of one, and only one, monster.

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suckaH wrote:
FatmanRising wrote:
Remember that this is manga...which is just basically a comic book, which would explain the slightly different look of the monster. The people aren't photorealistic, after all. It's just a stylized version of the monster, IMO.

I think you guys are having your cake and eating it too. You can't take some parts and leave out the other.
However, i hope you're right. I always liked the idea of one, and only one, monster.



Uh, excuse me, I haven't really posted a theory I'm behind, and I am thus incapable of omission in my theory. So Razz.

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