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[META] Wishlist - a multi-lingual social network (and more!)
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redct
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 		Symbol Chat? What exactly are you talking about? Neutral
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redct wrote:
Symbol Chat? What exactly are you talking about? Neutral


lhall wrote:
I've been thinking a lot about how we all will end up crossing the language barrier, even after we're all represented in the same virtual space. I don't want to make people learn a totally new language... and I think there's so much potential here for bringing in other media sources and using photos to illustrate things. So maybe instead of saying "I love band x!" there'd be a little heart with an embedded mp3?


Someone pointed out to me that Phantasy Star Online used to use a symbol chat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasy_Star_Online#Communication_system

Theirs is more complicated than what I want, since they're existing in a 3D virtual space and ours will just be text. What I need, pretty much, is a popup list of emoticons/pictographs/symbols that people can use to form 'phrases'.

Also, the same principle applies to Word Selection, although that's more complicated because of the translation to the viewer's default language.
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GeekDream
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Junesun wrote:
A team of Esperanto-speaking Drupal developers is working on this now; check out the Drupalo forums if you want to join in the developing. If you speak Esperanto and know Drupal or want to learn Drupal, also be aware that there will again be a few scholarships for attending DrupalCon.

Right now the major obstacle I can see is that the standard Drupal site doesn't look nearly as cool as Ning. Is anybody up to designing or implementing a Drupal skin for "Find the lost ring"?


now this IS something i can help with... i certainly can make a skin.. i found the page Junesun.. but it is all in Esperanto so.. Wink

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 		GeekDream, I'm sending you details by pm.

As for communicating through symbols, a lot of people have tried to create such a language; some have spent years on it. One of the most advanced is Mediaglyphs, but it's still very far from usable. I don't think we can develop and implement a better symbol-based communication system anytime soon.
I will invest in a comprehension-system that allows you to read another language without speaking it.

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Junesun wrote:
GeekDream, I'm sending you details by pm.

As for communicating through symbols, a lot of people have tried to create such a language; some have spent years on it. One of the most advanced is Mediaglyphs, but it's still very far from usable. I don't think we can develop and implement a better symbol-based communication system anytime soon.
I will invest in a comprehension-system that allows you to read another language without speaking it.


My goal with this thing is not to replace language, or anything even remotely on the scale of the Mediaglyphs project. I don't even want something as complicated as the Phantasy Star stuff (see an example here).

I'm all for healthy skepticism. But I think giving up without even starting is the wrong way to approach this thing. I think we have a good opportunity to build a new, useful system that connects tons of people together, and that's exciting to me.

That said, I'm realistic about the amount of work that would have to go into it, which is why I'm still gunning for a combo of symbols, phrases and actual text entry. Our communications between languages won't be that complicated ("I like this", "Good post by Diego!", etc), and as we see our needs we'll know where to grow - especially when people from all languages begin to collaborate and contribute new symbols and phrases.
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Junesun
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lhall wrote:
Our communications between languages won't be that complicated ("I like this", "Good post by Diego!", etc), and as we see our needs we'll know where to grow - especially when people from all languages begin to collaborate and contribute new symbols and phrases.


This kind of communication won't be enough to get us ahead in the quest. We need to be able to communicate things like "I believe I saw a yellow dot flying into Munich" (and keep in mind that you wouldn't recognize a city name if it's written in Chinese or Japanese, but even in the Latin alphabet there are a lot of varieties), "Don't you think that we are constantly switching the branch of reality we're on by making choices?" or even entire stories about dreams, the visit to the uncle and so on.

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Junesun wrote:
This kind of communication won't be enough to get us ahead in the quest. We need to be able to communicate things like "I believe I saw a yellow dot flying into Munich" (and keep in mind that you wouldn't recognize a city name if it's written in Chinese or Japanese, but even in the Latin alphabet there are a lot of varieties), "Don't you think that we are constantly switching the branch of reality we're on by making choices?" or even entire stories about dreams, the visit to the uncle and so on.


I totally agree. I think the wiki and the language-based forums are doing their jobs pretty well for this. (Whenever there's an update, it gets seeded pretty quickly into the chat and forum I read.)

The point of this social network wouldn't be for that type of exchange, really - it's more about getting to know the people behind the spec. Like I said in the first post of this thread, I was really inspired by the info about people's jobs and their skills, and seeing the overlap - but I know nothing about the non-English 'teams'.

For example, there's a Google doc that's accumulating a list of names and skills, but there's no face attached to the names, and again it's primarily English-speaking. I'd love to know how many Sophrosunes there are in Brazil, and what kind of music they listen to. There's a whole world of other information that I'm missing out on because I'm limited by the language barrier. So, that's one of my main goals for this project.
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 		Learn Esperanto
If you want to connect with people and you don't share a common language, that's what Esperanto was invented for. La Pingvino posted encouraging folks to spend just an hour learning enough Esperanto to try connecting with people that way:
http://forums.findthelostring.com/thread/1562

You obviously can't learn the whole language in an hour -- but it's enough to get started: to read simple messages and do a text chat.

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 		To get a really quick overview, as suggested, I can recommend the "Quick and dirty guide to Esperanto" (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Esperanto/Quick_and_dirty_guide) .

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 		Anyone out there that can help me with theming?
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