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[Missons] Charion - Get Eli Hunt to email you back
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krystyn
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 		I think he wrote back to me cos he really likes bad haiku.

Because I really didn't mention anything specific.

My *reply* to him, on the other hand, was a pretty specific plea. We'll see, I guess!
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Rogi Ocnorb
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 		I'm afraid I'm not following the whole "Can we trust Eli?" thing.

Are you guys thinking he's employing a "Keep your friends close... And your enemies, closer." scenario?

To me, he seems like he's no more than he's portrayed himself to be. Curious, somewhat driven and very understandably cautious.
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 		I agree, I don't think he's been less than honest.

I'm going with the theory that at some point Eli (or an Eli on a different world) may have worked with or been a member of the counter-Agonothetai and may have been somewhat responsible (knowingly or unwittingly) for whatever happened around 1812-1815.

I don't think we have all the pieces yet to know what may have occurred at that point in history, but it might be enough to know that something drastic occurred on Neopangea (the purple line on the run graph) which led to repeated branching...some sort of feedback loop in the yes/no equation which led to RCC and a dramatic "reboot" of the worlds.

Now we're steadily re-approaching a crisis point.

Theo and his CATs (counter-Agonothetai) are probably being driven by the same motivations that fueled the last crash, so if we can figure out what they were up to then, and why, it might give us some good insight into what they're going to try next.

Somehow, they're going to want to cause one of the worlds to start branching toward infinity.

I think we've already seen a few of their attempts cause wild fluctuation in the run graph, which has since steadied due to the recovery of artifacts and some of the labyrinth training, but should something nefarious happen to one of the athletes or chapters of the codex, I could see the situation quickly becoming unmanageable.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
I'm afraid I'm not following the whole "Can we trust Eli?" thing.

Are you guys thinking he's employing a "Keep your friends close... And your enemies, closer." scenario?

To me, he seems like he's no more than he's portrayed himself to be. Curious, somewhat driven and very understandably cautious.

Not trusting him is how I got a reply, I think. That and the fact that I e-mailed him about 10 times. I've been asking him all along to explain his fears, but apart from the "unbearable memories thing, he won't.

He replied when I sent an e-mail picking at The Secret Artifact podcast (the one with his explanation of where he got that scroll in the bronze sculpture.) I'm willing to believe the ancient Greeks could see into other realities, and athletes can step through to a different reality and wake up with amnesia in a corn labyrinth, but I can't take that story that any "experts" at "the museum" would say Pheidias made that thing. Someone in that tale is lying, and probably the one telling it who had to insist 5 times during the story that it was true.
Now, my impression [meta=spec] about the answer he gave me to that particular inquiry is that the bronze sculpture is not an issue, just part of the fabric of the The Lost Ring fiction.

I thought we could trust him because Ariadne said she had a feeling about him- something she saw in him tells her she can trust him. But the thing made me really distrust Eli was the reply Monique posted at Ariadne's discussion. It disturbed me. He takes a big leap from her question to a very weird conclusion. http://forums.findthelostring.com/thread/1570

But, I read that before reading what he wrote to me. So, thinking about it now, I think I took his reply to Monique out of context in a way. If I read hers after reading mine, I'd have had the context that he was trying to discover the antagonists' motivation. Instead, I read my e-mail in the context of being creeped out by what he said to her.

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 		@ Jasper - right... so reading hers after yours suggests that she's enlightening him to a potential reason for Theo to be optimistic about Neo-Pangea, rather than himself?

I agree that without the context of what he emailed to yourself and Victor, his reply to her sounds very fishy...

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 		I think his reaction to Moniques email is totally normal. Eli thinks (like many of us) that a Neopangae is a bad thing. But Monique's theory is that this could also be a good thing, because people will be closer to each other and that the motivation of the CAT (counter-agon...) could be to have this better world.

Before that Eli has never saw any good about the Neopangaea shift. So what exactly makes you suspicious of his answer?

Eli wrote:

I am startled by your email. It strikes me that there is some optimisim in your interpretation of what it would mean to return to a state of Pangaea. I have had a very discouraging week, and so your optimsim breathes some life into my mission.
While I still believe that a new Pangaea would wreak global devastation, purely as a inevitable consequence of geographic upheaval, I can imagine that geoglobal politics would be transformed as well. Perhaps for the better, at least for those who survived.
Thank you for raising an interesting possibility. In fact, now as I ponder it, I wonder if perhaps you have shown me a truth I have been looking for. A motivation I had missed. Well. I am most grateful to you.


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AUZ505 wrote:

Before that Eli has never saw any good about the Neopangaea shift. So what exactly makes you suspicious of his answer?

I was suspicious because I don't think Monique suggested it would be a good thing:
Monique wrote:
When the possibility is put out there that maybe Pangaea is our future rather than our past, it is incredible to me to think of how the different cultures and nation-states would interact, once the physical distance no longer separates the world into "us" and "them." Have you come across these possibilities at all?

I thought that he spring-boarded from her neutral comment to his conclusion- it sounded like he was grasping at what she said as a justification for himself to cross over (just because I didn't know at that point that he was talking about the motivation of Theo's group.)

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 		Sorry this post was deleted (the content was about Noriko's video).

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 		My reply from Eli
... not as bad as you might think...
In regards to the reply I got back from Eli... I actually think it was sincere.

What I wrote him, about Pangaea, was what would happen in the long, long-term after the continents were one again... I wasn't thinking about the short-term consequences of destruction... sometimes I'm a bit absent-minded and I get ahead of myself.

I'm sorry that many think this is part of Theo's doing or thinking... when I wrote Eli I wasn't considering how bad a rapid continental shift would be. But really... I think he was (and is) trying to find a reason to go on and try to fight against Theo and his supporters.

I wrote Eli back just now, offering him help against the counter-mission... I will update once I get the reply.

Again... I apologize for the confusion....

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 		Re: My reply from Eli
... not as bad as you might think...
amaretto01 wrote:
In regards to the reply I got back from Eli... I actually think it was sincere.

What I wrote him, about Pangaea, was what would happen in the long, long-term after the continents were one again... I wasn't thinking about the short-term consequences of destruction... sometimes I'm a bit absent-minded and I get ahead of myself.

I'm sorry that many think this is part of Theo's doing or thinking... when I wrote Eli I wasn't considering how bad a rapid continental shift would be. But really... I think he was (and is) trying to find a reason to go on and try to fight against Theo and his supporters.

I wrote Eli back just now, offering him help against the counter-mission... I will update once I get the reply.

Again... I apologize for the confusion....


Well thanks for contacting him! Now all you need to do is join UF here instead of being a guest, so that we can keep in contact with you and hear about your interactions and ideas!
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 		Re: My reply from Eli
... not as bad as you might think...
amaretto01 wrote:
Again... I apologize for the confusion....
I don't think there's anything to apologize for. It's great that you got a reply and shared it!

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jasper wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:

Before that Eli has never saw any good about the Neopangaea shift. So what exactly makes you suspicious of his answer?

I was suspicious because I don't think Monique suggested it would be a good thing:
Monique wrote:
When the possibility is put out there that maybe Pangaea is our future rather than our past, it is incredible to me to think of how the different cultures and nation-states would interact, once the physical distance no longer separates the world into "us" and "them." Have you come across these possibilities at all?

I thought that he spring-boarded from her neutral comment to his conclusion- it sounded like he was grasping at what she said as a justification for himself to cross over (just because I didn't know at that point that he was talking about the motivation of Theo's group.)


So Eli perhaps made the same mistake as I did/do. I have also (mis-)interpreted amaretto01 (monique)'s post. I interpreted the "not separated the world" not only as a spatial but also as a political and social issue. Perhaps amaretto01 itself could clarify, if this was a "neutral comment" or "Pangaea the possibility to have a better world"

But even if it was a neutral comment, I think that amaretto01 brought up a fascinating idea and a possible motivation of Theo and the CAT.
On the other side the history of Europe has shown that different cultures living very near will lead to a long periode of war.

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On the other side the history of Europe has shown that different cultures living very near will lead to a long periode of war.


I think the other way of looking at the comment is that, after a huge disaster like this, nations might realize we are all one world, one people, and come together in the face of grief...

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 		On the subject of the opposition's motives: do they want neo-pangaea even to occur? Do they even believe in that theory/ model of the universe? Maybe they think we are wrong about that. I guess we still need to get closer to them to see.

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 		I've been thinking for a while that this idea of good coming out of the tragedy reminds me of the first season of Heroes, where there was a group that thought letting that bomb go off would lead to world peace.

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