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Teddy Hanssen in Cloverfield.
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Animaniac
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l_Will_l wrote:
Hud then zooms into that last photo and this is what we see.



Thank you for proving my point.. the tanker is still in the water. (kinda leaning over onto its dock) and still a mile from the explosion site.

The newscast and Huds panning show the SoL and tanker opposite directions from each other due to the fact that Hud's and the choppers footage are taken from opposite sites of the activity. Huds from the island, the chopper hovering over towards the mainland. You can tell by the relative direction of the Tag tanker in each pic. The newscast shows the side and bottom of the tanker, Hud sees the top.
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 		To bring this back on topic, from that pic you can see the tanker was in it's berth when it capsized (or it was nudged against the docks/shore) so Teddy could have gotten off the tanker without getting wet. (his pants could be if he waded in the last bit, couldnt see that)
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Animaniac wrote:
l_Will_l wrote:
Hud then zooms into that last photo and this is what we see.



Thank you for proving my point.. the tanker is still in the water. (kinda leaning over onto its dock) and still a mile from the explosion site.

The newscast and Huds panning show the SoL and tanker opposite directions from each other due to the fact that Hud's and the choppers footage are taken from opposite sites of the activity. Huds from the island, the chopper hovering over towards the mainland. You can tell by the relative direction of the Tag tanker in each pic. The newscast shows the side and bottom of the tanker, Hud sees the top.


Hud was already on the bridge when he took that shot. And the chopper shot shows the top of the tanker and its pointing in the other direction of when it was seen in the news cast. And if they took the shot from opposite directions you would only see the tagruato symbol in 1 of the shots not both. what your saying is that this capsizing boat was floating around the bay? how would more than 1/2 of the boat get on land being that its still a harbor?

also watching the scene with the newscast, the tanker is nowhere near a dock or land. its in the middle of the bay closer to the Sol than anything else.

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 		Maybe the position of the ship just changes for theatrical purposes.

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 		maybe the size of the explosion is for theatrical purposes.

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 		Theatrical movies tend to do many things for theatrical purposes. Razz
Cloverfield is no exception.

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 		SOL is closer to Jersey...
l_Will_l wrote:
ok first we get the news on tv that a tanker has capsized near the Sol. (Rob has a 360. lol damm if he was alive id want his gamertag lol)

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Then next they go on the roof and the explosion happens. Notice that it engulfs the buildings.

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ok now they have seen the head get thrown in the city and this is the second where Hud pans over to all the havoc in the bay at the side. notice the fire is slightly behind the buildings.

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Hud then zooms into that last photo and this is what we see.

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Then he pans over from the last photo over to the left to see this photo. Notice from the first picture that the tanker is completly in a different spot.

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Also I think the reason why MGP attacks and takes down the bridge is because the helicopter's spot light is bothering him and its directly atop of where MGP hits the bridge.



Sorry... had to take the pics out (super quote is a no no!). The tanker doesn't move. Think perspective.


(sorry... not to scale. the tanker is probably a little further down, but you get my drift)

The footage taken from the NY1 News Video was from downtown manhattan. See the red line for a POV. With that angle, the SOL will be on the right side, shown in the original photo provided by l_Will_l. Also notice that the tanker is intact.

The footage taken by Hud follows the gray line. Now the SOL is on the left because he's slightly further uptown. Also notice that the reason he can also see the Tagruato logo is because the now flaming tanker has broken in half and the back half is sinking - giving us a clear shot of those caressing hands.... Rolling Eyes this may also force the front half up.

Believe me... with all the crap floating in the water down there, a capsized boat isn't going far.

See how there are no buildings downtown? Hud would have a line of sight to anything in the water just past the tip of manhattan.



It might have looked as if the tanker was on land, but i think it was still stuck in the harbor.

And to someone else's quote about MGP causing the explosion...
Remember the cell phone videos from Chuai Station? Notice the arc of the objects that are being thrown into the air? Isn't it a similar pattern - massive explosion, then debris flying in a similar arc?

I wish this was a separate post.... all this research for a Teddy Hanson Hanssen reply. Razz
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l_Will_l wrote:
Hud was already on the bridge when he took that shot. And the chopper shot shows the top of the tanker and its pointing in the other direction of when it was seen in the news cast.


Chopper cast shows the side of the tanker (facing up since its on its side) It looks like its facing a different direction due to the different angles of the footage.

l_Will_l wrote:
And if they took the shot from opposite directions you would only see the tagruato symbol in 1 of the shots not both.


No, the Tag symbol from the newscast (found by this forum shortly after the 'exclusive 4 minute clip' was released) was the logo on the side of the tanker, not the logo on the helipad, which is much bigger.


l_Will_l wrote:
... what your saying is that this capsizing boat was floating around the bay? how would more than 1/2 of the boat get on land being that its still a harbor? also watching the scene with the newscast, the tanker is nowhere near a dock or land. its in the middle of the bay closer to the Sol than anything else.


Nope, boat hasn't moved. That dock under it was hidden under it from the angle and darkness of the earlier choppershot.
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 		Ok I dont think you quite see what im trying to explain. ok yes your map is right and i will use that to better explain what im saying. in the 2 PoV the tanker would appear on opposite sides of the SoL. In the news PoV its on the left of the SoL and in Huds PoV its on the right of the SoL. We get that. But knowing the basic layout of a ship is the main thing im trying to get at. The Bridge which is the tower on the deck of the tanker is ALWAYS towards the back (stern) of the boat. Now you have to closely look at what way the boat is pointing in all of my photos. Even if the tanker is in the same spot the whole time, a tanker cannnot manouver 180* standing still in that bay let alone moving out in the ocean. I live in a steeltown i see tankers everyday. and the layout the tag tanker is no exception. the only way the boat would look like it did a 180* spin is if Huds PoV was coming from the exact opposite side of the news PoV, which it is not.








now if anyone can better explain what im seeing. that would be awesome Very Happy

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 		I find it funny that in the news cast the tanker isn't on fire, yet when Hud sees it, it is.

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I find it funny that in the news cast the tanker isn't on fire, yet when Hud sees it, it is.


lol read the rest of the topic. what i was trying to say is the reason that its on fire now and not just capsizing is because it looks as if MGP threw it onto the harbor, and that the explosion was so big was just for theatrical purposes. In the news cast the reporter says that a tanker has capsized in the bay near the SoL. Not a taker has capsized in the peir/docks/harbour.

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l_Will_l wrote:
blaaaaaah wrote:
I find it funny that in the news cast the tanker isn't on fire, yet when Hud sees it, it is.


lol read the rest of the topic. what i was trying to say is the reason that its on fire now and not just capsizing is because it looks as if MGP threw it onto the harbor, and that the explosion was so big was just for theatrical purposes. In the news cast the reporter says that a tanker has capsized in the bay near the SoL. Not a taker has capsized in the peir/docks/harbour.


I'm not arguing the explosion at the beginning of the movie wasn't a cinimatic one. A fireball of that size would have required an estimated 150 Kton explosion, the shockwave of which would have leveled buildings 2 miles out.. including Rob's apartment. So it appears to have been a massive explosion that generates a massive 1500 foot fireball w/ little to no shockwave (FAE maybe?), definitely a movie boom.

What I'm pointing out is that the tanker is on fire, not exploded (explode: to violently blow outward), and that the explosion couldn't be the tanker, since the explosion was centered a mile inland on NY City Hall.

As to the direction of the tanker, there does seem to be something a bit wonky about it, but as long as its in the harbor, it isn't our fireball source. Unless, as I pointed out earlier, your suggesting Clover threw it a mile inland, it exploded and bounced all the way back to the harbor and only cracked in half.

And Teddy managed to walk off the ship somewhere during that... (for topic relevance)
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 		I just find it weird that they would specifically show this tho. I mean, they stated they specifically show things they wanted us to see, im sure this being no exception. Also alot of the time when a boat capsizes, it just sinks to the bottom, not necessarly catch fire. Thats why im thinking maybe the point of the exploison being so big and engulfing the buildings was just so they could see if from the rooftop. because if it wasnt that big and didnt, it probibly wouldnt have been seen, thus having no where to add that "cool rooftop explosion we made for the trailer" i dunno thats jsut my spec. lol I just find it such a longshot for someone to more or less do a quick Biathalon (Swim and run) in all this chaos with the tanker, none the less someone who dosent appear to be physically fit.

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I just find it weird that they would specifically show this tho. I mean, they stated they specifically show things they wanted us to see, im sure this being no exception. Also alot of the time when a boat capsizes, it just sinks to the bottom, not necessarly catch fire. Thats why im thinking maybe the point of the exploison being so big and engulfing the buildings was just so they could see if from the rooftop. because if it wasnt that big and didnt, it probibly wouldnt have been seen, thus having no where to add that "cool rooftop explosion we made for the trailer" i dunno thats jsut my spec. lol I just find it such a longshot for someone to more or less do a quick Biathalon (Swim and run) in all this chaos with the tanker, none the less someone who dosent appear to be physically fit.


I agree Teddy looks a bit nerdy, but he's the guy who somehow snuck onto the Chuai station and remain undetected long enough to determine something was fishy, see Clover, figure out the DSN was the real goal and related, sneak a sample from the lab/processors/drilling area and mail it using the Tag mailroom before the DSN was missed. He's the James Bond of TIDOWave.

Immediately after that they locked down the station and confined all the workers to thier rooms, so he was probably captured shortly after. Although he may have remained undetected and snuck off on the frieghter (probably having been under cover as a construction worker/drill crew) or had to abandon station along with the others when it went down. TIDO hasn't seen him since, thier rescue team to get him and the others out found empty ocean.

Writing this I get the feeling Teddy may be our action hero here. The hero of the Jerry Bruckheimer movie that was happening just off camera that Rob and company kept just missing. JJ remarked that was kind of how he had seen the movie progressing, and at one point they considered having Hud pan past the hero and his love interest talking to the Military/Scientist in the background as they went through the makeshift military base. ("That just might work! But you'll be killed" "We Have to try!" etc..)

Another note, the camera was turned off between the street outside of Rob's apartment and when they reached the Brooklyn bridge. That 'lost time', besides being enough for them to walk to the bridge, also provided plenty of time for Teddy to do his thing and even dry out.
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 		But thats the thing. Were assuming teddy knows all. First off, If you were teddy and knew all these secrets would you run to the bridge with all the other lost and confused and scared general public? I sure as hell knwo i wouldnt. Id be trying to find the First military officer or government official I could to let them in on WTF MGP is. And also Teddy may not know everything, He could just assume he does and it goes deeper than he knew.

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