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[Chid12]

[RING][MISSIONS] Solve the puzzle of the wave forms

[Chid12]

Sorry if I end up using this as a personal pensieve!

So waveforms are essentially waves of visually representing sound right? I wonder if there's a way of converting the four different "wave forms" Eli describes into simple programs or equations for creating a wave, or a waveform. These could then be converted into sounds.

How could the "New Atlantis" be relevant? There is a passage in the book which deals with sounds. At one point the Governer of Bensalem describes their "sound houses":

"We have also sound-houses, where we practise and demonstrate all sounds, and their generation. We have harmonies which you have not, of quarter-sounds, and lesser slides of sounds. Divers instruments of music likewise to you unknown, some sweeter than any you have, together with bells and rings that are dainty and sweet. We represent small sounds as great and deep; likewise great sounds extenuate and sharp; we make divers tremblings and warblings of sounds, which in their original are entire. We represent and imitate all articulate sounds and letters, and the voices and notes of beasts and birds. We have certain helps which set to the ear do further the hearing greatly. We have also divers strange and artificial echoes, reflecting the voice many times, and as it were tossing it: and some that give back the voice louder than it came, some shriller, and some deeper; yea, some rendering the voice differing in the letters or articulate sound from that they receive. We have also means to convey sounds in trunks and pipes, in strange lines and distances."

[drizjr]

[Ranger D]

My understanding is that this is referencing the wave forms on the omphaputer when you run graph.

We know from another thread (can't link, on my bb) that the equation at the top of the graph is part of shrodingers cat experiment, but can anyone clarify that a bit more?

Also, notice that pre-1815, the wave form is not smooth. Post-1815, the waveform becomes a smooth, easily graphable line. Why?!?

I think I have new altantis in pdf form, will try to read it on the plane. My thumbs are numb from typing, ill check in tomorrow.

[jasper]

Schrödinger's cat. What I understand about this comes from reading Douglas Adams, so take that into consideration. I may not make any sense.
Schrödinger wanted to illustrate what he saw as absurd about quantum mechanics when applied at an every day level (as opposed to at the atomic particle level) The probability that a cat sealed inside a box is dead or alive is a waveform. In the supposed experiment, the possibility of a radioactive particle decaying or not decaying (the result of which could release poison gas and kill the cat) is added to the waveform to somehow give an even chance that the cat will be alive or dead when you open the box to check.

Okay, so, until you check, the cat exists in both states- both alive and dead. And if/when you check (or measuse) the probability wave collapses and the cat exists in one or the other state.

The many-worlds angle on this supposes that when you check or measure, the possible states for the cat split off into two worlds- one with a dead cat and one with a live cat. That would be amplified branching, I guess. Amplified reversal might imply that other worlds of possibility collapse (are destroyed) when you check on the cat.

The state of the cat in the Douglas Adams book was "missing" - and that's probably not helpful to our question.

I don't know what we are supposed to solve here. I thought it was just pointing use to a many-worlds premise.

[Lysithea]

I think that the waveforms that Ariadne is refering to are the yes/no arrow diagrams. I don't yet see how the yes/no waveforms correspond to the RUN GRAPH program on the omphaputer. This page on wikipedia links together the Schrodinger equation, wave forms, and the many-worlds interpretation.

A few brainstorming ideas:
* that the four waveforms describe labyrinth designs
* that the waveforms are the key to decrypt a page of binary that Eli has not shown us yet
* the waveforms need to be used to reestablish the omphaloi network.

The waveforms seem too simplistic to convert to sound waves, unless something like morse code is involved.

We need more data, and I've been looking at Delphi on Google Earth to no avail.

[JamesSF]

Hey all,

I agree the "four forms" are almost certainly the four waveforms in the New Atlantis.

These four waveforms are the source of the IP address for the Omthaputer. The translation works as follows:

- Write down all of the "yes" and "no" values in the waveform in order, reading left to right, one row at a time. In computer science, this is called a "breadth-first traversal" of a "tree." (Note that in the fourth waveform, the middle "yes", is actually its own row at the top -- it's just scrunched down on the paper.)

- Change each "yes" to a 1, and each "no" to a zero. The result is a binary number.

- Convert the binary number to decimal. The Omthaputer's IP address is waveform1.waveform2.waveform3.waveform4.

You'll note each of the binary numbers is scrawled next to its corresponding waveform, with the exception of waveform 1. The binary number is written there as if the left and right halves of the tree swapped spaces, yet the Omthaputer's IP address corresponds to how the waveform is actually written on the paper, not the binary number. I'm not sure why the binary number is different. That IP would correspond to 88.109.150.213, and there's nothing there. I also tried rearranging the third waveform (the only one structured the same as the first one) in the same fashion, getting 88.109.85.213, but there's nothing there either.

I also want to point out the possibility that there are other applications of the waveforms besides this IP address mapping.

[JamesSF]

Oh, also, speaking of waveforms. If you want a reasonably straightforward explanation of what all this "waveform" and "yes/no" and "multiple universes" stuff is all about, here are links that explain the relevant basics of quantum physics:

1. The Double-slit experiment: Establishes that observation affects reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

2. Schrodinger's cat thought experiment: Explains how a cat goes from "alive" to "alive and dead at the same time" (this is analogous to a "yes" branching off into "yes and no" in the New Atlantis waveforms).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1073945

3. Multiple universes theory of quantum physics based on all of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

[AUZ505]

Sofia wiki page

[Elizabeth123]

[aliendial]

JamesSF - yes, Ariadne's assignment of the wave form issue makes clear that the website address is NOT what we are looking for. There's something else beyond the simple translation of the flowcharts into binary.

rangerd (and others) before we get too far down this path, what is your basis for treating the omphagraph as the wave forms puzzle referred to by ariadne?

[jasper]

[dreamerblue]

I wonder if the waveforms are related to the RUN GRAPH command. Are we supposed to try to do a transformation(s) to the lines on the graph so they will match the white line?

[Elizabeth123]

[D72W]