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[Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo)
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runeix ftlr
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i agree that Theo should have to work to decipher the message, as we have ad to decipher theirs (the PM's) and that this should show them we can also create puzzels for them to solve.

matt.

p.s sign me up for double agent duty. i am pefectly set up with multiple e-mails, IP's and other information.

message me when we know more.

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Re: Something I read in research...
... could be another tactic

amaretto01- at school wrote:
I was doing research on Peace Studies and I came across this:


"One major aspect of Gandhi's nonviolence
embodied a stance of non-injury, or ahimsa, to
the enemy. Destruction of the opponent merely
perpetuates the injustice one tries to overcome.
Instead, the goal is to win the opponent over the
one's own side."


Somehow this resonated with me as another way to persuade Theo and his group... lemme know what you think Smile

Or that's what TheO is doing to us. . . Confused

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mr.judkins wrote:
EDIT: Well, this is what we've ended up with - thanks to everyone's input, particularly Weezel's. Thanks again also to thebruce for the whitespace element to the stenography method.

Lhall is going to email it to macmonkey in London, and it will be left for Theo when the Artifact is collected.

Quote:
Theo.

You have our attention, and the Agonothetai have our mistrust.

They were told to find space for their labyrinths. They were told to hide them in plain sight.

We too have found 'space', and we too have hidden it in plain sight.

Look to the source, and study it, as one in London might study the works of Shakespeare to determine their authorship.

We will contact you soon.

La Sekto


From here it is vital that we closely control how this method is used to contact "Theo", so please do not use it on the forums unless given the a-okay in this forum.

Once we've got confirmation that the drop has been made, we'll consider our next move. I'll report back to Ariadne as well, and see if she has any further advice or light to cast on the situation.

For now, things are rolling along!


I left this note in the place of where the map of NA was in the shop Smile
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mac_monkey wrote:
I left this note in the place of where the map of NA was in the shop Smile


Thanks mac_monkey!

Well, we can now give "Theo" & Co a bit of time to collect our own little deadrop and work out our message.

Next step will be deciding on what best to communicate to him via the forums. We've got how to do so under control, but exactly what we want to tell him, or how we want to suggest he send a return communication to us is still under discussion (and there was a fair amount of it in the irc channel today).

I'm going to have a night off TLR tonight, but will be back on tomorrow NZ time... I expect we might be able to nail these things down then, and all those with ideas in the meantime please post them here!

Oh - and all those really keen to become member of "La Sekto", remember that it doesn't actually exist (yet, I was reminded). Our first task is to simply make contact with "Theo", after that it's quite possible all those interested in becoming double-double agents will get their chance. For now it's all about patience and clarity - getting this first part right.

Catch you all "tomorrow" (time is so relative in this community...) Wink

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Alrighty,

I worked on creating a webpage for us to use to encipher/decipher our
text to Theo.

http://chaos.greenhead.com/FTLR/LaSekto/

This uses our 1 and 2 space method of encoding the text. It will also
convert line feeds into HTML breaks, and basically give you the
final text to be posted to the forum.

This reduces error in using the existing Bacon decoders and trying to
do the find/replace method we discussed above. It also should reduce
errors related to encoding as well.

Additionally, it will tell you if you have enough cover text to
encipher your message. Remember it's secret message length * 5, to
determine the amount of spaces needed for our AB payload.

Checkout mr.judkins sample page at
http://mr.judkins.googlepages.com/tester%233

You should be able to view the source, copy and paste it into my
decipher tool, and see the plain text he has hidden.

Last night in IRC, I suggested that when we start leaving messages we
utilize the text from The New Atlantis as our cover text.

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext00/nwatl11h.htm

The next step needs to be to leave a message, directing him to contact
ONE PERSON so that we know he:
1) Got the message we left for him
2) Figured out the decoding method

If this doesn't happen, we can't be sure he ever got the message in the
first place.

We were still discussing the next steps in the process last night when I
had to bail, so maybe we'll finalize those today.

++++
Another test message for you to decode
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We sailed from Peru, (where we had continued for the space of one whole year) for China and Japan, by the South Sea; taking with us victuals for twelve months; and had good winds from the east, though soft and weak, for five months space, and more. But the wind came about, and settled in the west for many days, so as we could make little or no way, and were sometime in purpose to turn back. But then again there arose strong and great winds from the south, with a point east, which carried us up (for all that we could do) towards the north; by which time our victuals failed us, though we had made good spare of them. So that finding ourselves, in the midst of the greatest wilderness of waters in the world, without victuals, we gave ourselves for lost men and prepared for death. Yet we did lift up our hearts and voices to God above, who showeth his wonders in the deep, beseeching him of his mercy, that as in the beginning he discovered the face of the deep, and brought forth dry land, so he would not discover land to us, that we might not perish.
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Great job, Weezel! That'll make life so much easier.

Can we agree now--as Mr. Judkins suggested--that only ONE PERSON will contact Theo, at least at first? I know we've got lots of people who want to join La Sekto (love that term), but if people start posting right and left in code, he'll realize what's going on, right? I nominate either Weezel or Mr. J, because of the work they've so generously done already on this, but really it can be anyONE.

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Elizabeth123 wrote:
Great job, Weezel! That'll make life so much easier.

Can we agree now--as Mr. Judkins suggested--that only ONE PERSON will contact Theo, at least at first? I know we've got lots of people who want to join La Sekto (love that term), but if people start posting right and left in code, he'll realize what's going on, right? I nominate either Weezel or Mr. J, because of the work they've so generously done already on this, but really it can be anyONE.


I'd prefer to hand it off to MrJ or someone else as well. Whose strength is this anyhow?

I'm happy to sit back and help write the content of the messages, as well as wallow in the bright sunshiny results. I just don't want to be the coordinator and poster of those messages. Smile

I'm also going to working on some of the framework for the account/group to receive communications at some point.

Anyone whose be participating in this thread want to be the coordinator? We've got several folks who have been helpful..
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There is a parallel effort in Diego's forum to contact Theo. We are hiding messages in our posts.
Its a really simple idea... take a look to Diego's forum...
(ten last posted topics)

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VictorSueiro wrote:
There is a parallel effort in Diego's forum to contact Theo. We are hiding messages in our posts.
Its a really simple idea... take a look to Diego's forum...
(ten last posted topics)


I'm not sure what I am looking for. are you saying the last ten topics are all trying to communicate with Theo?

I'm reading the forum translated, so maybe I'm missing the nuance of it.

What exactly are you saying? and how are you hiding it?

I mean this looks suspicious, but I only undertand the translated version (when you cut/paste a google translated page inline, you will see the original text followed by the translated sentence...

Code:
 "Divide and triumph," said Machiavelli. Afirmación que aún resuena en las aulas en las que se enseñan los principios del desarrollo de software. Affirming that still resonates in classrooms in which they are taught the principles of software development.

La Oposición (Theo = TheO-position según algunos, o Theodosio) esta intentando dividirnos. The Opposition (Theo = The position-according to some, or Theodosio) is trying to divide us.

Las acusaciones cruzadas son varias, y la división se asoma. The accusations are several crusades, and the division faces.

Y este es el principio de lo que, en el mundo occidental, denominamos "el mal": diabolus (διαβολος) = adversario, enemigo, el que se opone, el que se aparta, el que divide. And this is the beginning of what, in the western world, known as "evil": diabolus (διαβολος) = adversary, an enemy, which is opposed, which departs, which divides.

Creo que la conspiración es evidente: estan tratando de dividirnos. I believe that the conspiracy is obvious: they are trying to divide us.

Las facciones de esta lucha ya esta definidas. The factions in this struggle is already defined. No generemos nuevas partes. Do not create new parts.

Estamos nosotros, y los que se esconden detras de una postal. Are we, and those who are hiding behind a postcard.

* Si saben leer, entiendan. * * If you can read, understand. *

A los menos: busquen. At least look.

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Weezel wrote:
I'd prefer to hand it off to MrJ or someone else as well.


Weezel, the Bacon Maker rocks - great work!

I'm happy to make "first contact", and will create an appropriate username and gmail address for the purpose. I'll make the post either tonight or tomorrow NZ time.

If we have any response, I shall let you all know ASAP, and share, share share!

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mr.judkins wrote:
Weezel wrote:
I'd prefer to hand it off to MrJ or someone else as well.


Weezel, the Bacon Maker rocks - great work!

I'm happy to make "first contact", and will create an appropriate username and gmail address for the purpose. I'll make the post either tonight or tomorrow NZ time.

If we have any response, I shall let you all know ASAP, and share, share share!


Congrats are definitely in order for the translator, most impressive.

Looking forward to seeing the results from the forums!
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lhall wrote:

Congrats are definitely in order for the translator, most impressive.

Looking forward to seeing the results from the forums!


It worked as expected. MrJ (I'm assuming) has made the first contact post and I deciphered it with the tool. Nice poetic flair btw... I'm going to give him a heart attack and send a contact email.. hopefully he'll check the hidden account first before reading this, see the (1) in the Inbox and get that adrenaline rush... Twisted Evil

Considering its length, I hope that Theo doesn't wind up having to decode it by hand, and that they develop a tool as well.. If not, good, it'll serve them right to figure out a puzzle..

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though if there is a lurker here they know both our intent and the tool. they are welcome to use it.. it'll make the ingame interaction easier and further the story.. I guess decoding a 50+ Bacon code isn't all that hard, even using the old find/replace method and then just breaking every 5 chars.. its just the cross reference that takes time.

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Per Weezel's meta comment, Mr. J, did you send the send the tool to Ariadne? (Or Weezel, do you want to?)

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Elizabeth123 wrote:
Per Weezel's meta comment, Mr. J, did you send the send the tool to Ariadne? (Or Weezel, do you want to?)


No.. not really... for meta purposes Ariadne doesn't know what we're doing or why we;re doing it.. this is all double agent behind the back kinda thing. the only people who know about it in game are Theo if he finds the message and any of our agents... and his agents if they later reveal themselves..

No other character should have any idea that we are attempting to communicate with him, they might see it as a betrayal.
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But...I thought all this was communicated with Ariadne up front? (See the first page of this thread.) It's not that we're actual double-agents, right? We're just trying to get info. to help the agons, and I think she was told that last week?

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