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[Weezel]

How do walls hum? (Was: Secondary strength mission)

[Hikaro]

Excellent idea!

~Hikaro

[jasper]

Curved arms sounds more space efficient than blocky corners.

just looking at a doodle on note paper, I think getting the walls to turn around makes a lot of sense. It looks like one of the challenges will be getting into position quickly, without getting into the way of the runner.

I can't wait to see what you come up with!

[brodie]

Speaking of strengths, who's noticed that Ariadne is now Dikaiosune?

[Weezel]

Alrighty.. here's my first beta of what it *might* look like:

http://chaos.greenhead.com/FTLR/3Circuit.swf

1) Trying to deal with bent arms with the avatars is a PITA right now.
2) Trying to show how to switch arms looks kinda dopey because of the way the mirror works.
--I might wind up recreating new position markers rather than letting Flash tween it so it doesn't look quite as a flip.
3) I still need to put Walls 7-10 in place and obviously do the rest of the sequence, but after 3 hours work, I wanted to show something at least.
4) I'm making assumptions on the best places for each wall piece to move to. I think interior walls should rotate until they are used twice, and exterior wlls should move to fill in the gap for maximum efficiency. Will need to see what real world statistics prove.

[brodie]

That's looking really, really good Weezel! Can't wait to see it finished!

[Hikaro]

Good work so far.

One thing I did notice is that there are people behind the runner at the very beginning. My impression from Chapter 6 of the Codex is that there should never be wall-athletes behind the runner; if the runner is past you then you move to the front of the path. So the two ladies next to the centermost man shouldn't be turned toward the runner; instead they should start turned as they are after you have them rotate.

But great animation so far. ^_^

[Weezel]

[Hikaro]

Here's an image to make sure we're on the same page. The people I was referring to are circled in red (sorry if I confused their genders-- the lower one is looking like a man now). Now that I think about it the lower person circled in red can stay the way you have them.

The person directly behind the runner should not be facing the runner and humming because that is against the rules of the Codex (walls should never be behind the runner--the Codex says that when the runner moving forward passes the wall, the wall needs to move to the front of the line to continue the path. If the runner never passes the wall, the wall shouldn't move.). The runner will navigate toward the sound of the two people on the sides of the opening, not to a place with an absence of sound.

Am I making more sense now?

~Hikaro

[Weezel]

[Tenchizard]

I don't know if this has been already covered but someone else, but I guess this is a good place to mention it. When drawing the labyrinth, It's a bit difficult to keep the walls well done. In here you can see a little flash animation of how to draw it using stakes and a rope. The method shown is for a 7-circuit one, but you can easily draw a 3-circuit one using just the central cross and 4 dots in the corners and following the same method (obviously, with less knots in the cord).

[thebruce]

I think trying to coordinate people to know when to move or when just to turn might be a task in itself...
our walls just ran to the end of a wall once the runner had passed. the walls to focus on only humming just in front of the runner, otherwise it could confuse him - the hum is a form of guide, yes. Turning really only happens when the runner hits a u-turn, even then a wall reflex may be to leave and find the other free end of a wall, when they don't need to.

It's definitely a game that can use practice and training - runners train to run the route (for muscle memory) and walls train for how to decide if, when and where to move once the runner passes them. I (and Melody) will have a post to go with the video once it's up on the tube... it's taking forever

I think with enough training, it can definitely be a sweet, competitive game... I was impressed how easily our group caught on

[Weezel]

[thebruce]

well considering there should be no walls behind the runner, whenever the walls hum, they should always be in front of the runner anyway. Now if you've got a full circuit of walls, then only the walls around the runner would hum, and once again once the runner has passed, the wall would stop humming. So really whether it's a "push" or "pull" all depends on the timing of the walls. either way, the humming is in front and to the sides, so I think the effect is really both push (stay away from me) and pull (follow the hum)

[Ikkarus]

Maybe I read the wall descriptions entirely wrong, but here's what I expected to happen:

-- A member of the wall faces the runner and hums, beckoning the runner forward.
-- As the runner approaches, the member of the wall turns to get out of the runner's way.
-- As the wall member turns, another wall member further along the path turns into the path of the runner and begins to hum, beckoning the runner forward.
-- Repeat.