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Who else felt sorry for MGP?
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m_talon
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There was one thing that Clover had that Zilla (the Tristar version) didn't, and that was a sense of spite. Zilla just ran all over town dodging fire for most of the movie. Only twice did he/she ever go on the offensive. Once during the helicopter fight and the cab chase. Of those, the cab chase was more of a "you killed my babies" reaction than true aggression. It's like they went way out of their way to make Zilla a creature with predictable behavior, and that crippled the whole movie.

Clover, on the other hand, gives out as much mayhem as he gets. He throws trucks, smashes tanks, and swats helicopters. Even though it's not shown, we know he wrecks a tanker and decapitates the SoL. Heck, he even EATS people. Those behaviors right there make Clover much more of a menace, even if he is doing it as part of a childish tantrum. Unlike Zilla, you never get the sense that if you left Clover alone he'd just swim off. Clover would probably stick around eating folks and knocking the tops off buildings until he got bored and moved on to the Hamptons (sequel?).

As my final proof, I offer two similar scenes from the movies. In both movies, main characters go eye to eye with the monsters. In Tristar's movie, Zilla just goes over to munch fish after staring down Matthew Broderick. In Cloverfield, the monster munches our cameraman.

Clovey didn't HAVE to eat Hud...it's not like he was a large meal compared to the whales he chewed on prior to arriving in NYC (according to the ARG). He didn't even stick around to finish the leftovers, or have a two lover dessert. Instead, it almost seemed like he did it out of pure spite, as if to say "how dare you point that thing at me, you ant". That's a reaction we'd expect out of the REAL Godzilla, and I for one am glad they did it.

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Most of you guys are joking right? Cause if a huge thing attacked nyc for real, and disrupted my happy little campus, ild want him killed. Plus the fact that you know...hes freakin 1000x bigger than me
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lapierre520
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Pretty sure the designer and director were trying the whole time to make the audience empathetic towards Clover, worked for me, obviously worked for some other people.

Also, on a side note, PETA is disgusting and full of hypocrites, and the internet needs to grow up and stop being homophobic.

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Yeah, my stance is pretty much f**k PETA.

Though, personally, I wanted them to kill the thing. Whether or not it was its fault, it was still destroying buildings and killing people by the bushel. *shrug*

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lapierre520
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Yeah, but also i think one of the underlying themes of the movie is like... if Clover meant no harm and he was just looking around. What is the right thing to do? Do you kill something you know nothing about because it poses a threat? Also, the equivalent of a human to Clover is like an ant to a human, humans kill ants all the time, because they don't really hurt us... they just annoy us. Clover wasn't wounded by any of our weapons he was just annoyed and scared, so if he wiped us out isn't that fair in a way, because we do the same thing to species smaller than us. Maybe Clover is the new top of the food chain and we either evolve or die out.

Sorry about the rant, maybe I'm just a geeky film student over-analyzing an awesome monster movie.

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FatmanRising wrote:
Yeah, my stance is pretty much f**k PETA.

Though, personally, I wanted them to kill the thing. Whether or not it was its fault, it was still destroying buildings and killing people by the bushel. *shrug*


I agree, PETA is nothing but aging hypocritical hippies who smell like cabbage but blaming the monster and saying its all his fault for destroying the buildings that like telling Rosie O'Donnell to make it through a pastry factory without eating anything, it simply can't be done.

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Chris a Clef wrote:
MGP is pretty!


what the hell? thats the third person to say that, i had my desktop background as clovers pre-hud-eating face, and two of friends my said he looked "Cute" and "not threatening" i was like WTF, this is right before he EATS someone!

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avpruler wrote:
Chris a Clef wrote:
MGP is pretty!


what the hell? thats the third person to say that, i had my desktop background as clovers pre-hud-eating face, and two of friends my said he looked "Cute" and "not threatening" i was like WTF, this is right before he EATS someone!


MGP is cute though.

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Cole wrote:
FatmanRising wrote:
Yeah, my stance is pretty much f**k PETA.

Though, personally, I wanted them to kill the thing. Whether or not it was its fault, it was still destroying buildings and killing people by the bushel. *shrug*


I agree, PETA is nothing but aging hypocritical hippies who smell like cabbage but blaming the monster and saying its all his fault for destroying the buildings that like telling Rosie O'Donnell to make it through a pastry factory without eating anything, it simply can't be done.


I'm not a member of PETA or anything, but, don't you find Animal testing just disgusting? If we are testing animals we may as well just go off and grab a couple of the millions of Asians or Americans and test some shit on them. You know, rats and mice have had enough of the testing.

But back to the subject, I think lapierre520 is correct. Hes just a big human killing ants.

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Monstrous
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MGP really stands for Mega-girly pimp

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skatehimrock
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they prolly think MGP is kind of cute because...remember..he is a baby..
btw does anyone know where i can get a good big image of his face before eating hud?
like the HD one?
or whatever the one that looks rele detailed..
Anyone????

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Monstrous wrote:
MGP really stands for Mega-girly pimp


For a couple months before the movie came out, I thought that MGP was a butch lesbian.

Butch lesbian and effeminate pimp. Same thing in my books.

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My_Name_Is_Dan wrote:
Cole wrote:
FatmanRising wrote:
Yeah, my stance is pretty much f**k PETA.

Though, personally, I wanted them to kill the thing. Whether or not it was its fault, it was still destroying buildings and killing people by the bushel. *shrug*


I agree, PETA is nothing but aging hypocritical hippies who smell like cabbage but blaming the monster and saying its all his fault for destroying the buildings that like telling Rosie O'Donnell to make it through a pastry factory without eating anything, it simply can't be done.


I'm not a member of PETA or anything, but, don't you find Animal testing just disgusting? If we are testing animals we may as well just go off and grab a couple of the millions of Asians or Americans and test some shit on them. You know, rats and mice have had enough of the testing.


no, I don't find it gross at all because all they're testing on are mostly lab rats. Ever heard of a rat farm? They breed mice and rodents for the sole purpose of scientific research. They can't legally do it on dogs or cats (any house hold pet) due to the T-Bone Act. To say we might as well throw some Americans and Asians in there as well is one of the most un-educated comments I've heard on this forum in a long time. Last time I checked, humans were a little higher in the food chain over rodents.

I'll repeat my previous statement. Screw PITA.

Case closed.
Next!

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Chris a Clef
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Cole wrote:
My_Name_Is_Dan wrote:
Cole wrote:
FatmanRising wrote:
Yeah, my stance is pretty much f**k PETA.

Though, personally, I wanted them to kill the thing. Whether or not it was its fault, it was still destroying buildings and killing people by the bushel. *shrug*


I agree, PETA is nothing but aging hypocritical hippies who smell like cabbage but blaming the monster and saying its all his fault for destroying the buildings that like telling Rosie O'Donnell to make it through a pastry factory without eating anything, it simply can't be done.


I'm not a member of PETA or anything, but, don't you find Animal testing just disgusting? If we are testing animals we may as well just go off and grab a couple of the millions of Asians or Americans and test some shit on them. You know, rats and mice have had enough of the testing.


no, I don't find it gross at all because all they're testing on are mostly lab rats. Ever heard of a rat farm? They breed mice and rodents for the sole purpose of scientific research. They can't legally do it on dogs or cats (any house hold pet) due to the T-Bone Act. To say we might as well throw some Americans and Asians in there as well is one of the most un-educated comments I've heard on this forum in a long time. Last time I checked, humans were a little higher in the food chain over rodents.

I'll repeat my previous statement. Screw PITA.

Case closed.
Next!


Why should they test on animals?
It won't help cure anything
Oh yeah Alter Bridge sucks

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m_talon
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lapierre520 wrote:
Yeah, but also i think one of the underlying themes of the movie is like... if Clover meant no harm and he was just looking around. What is the right thing to do? Do you kill something you know nothing about because it poses a threat? Also, the equivalent of a human to Clover is like an ant to a human, humans kill ants all the time, because they don't really hurt us... they just annoy us. Clover wasn't wounded by any of our weapons he was just annoyed and scared, so if he wiped us out isn't that fair in a way, because we do the same thing to species smaller than us. Maybe Clover is the new top of the food chain and we either evolve or die out.

Sorry about the rant, maybe I'm just a geeky film student over-analyzing an awesome monster movie.


I wouldn't go as far as saying it was an underlying theme, just because the monster wasn't the focus of the movie in this case. Primary antagonist, definitely, but I would say that the audience was meant to connect with the people a lot more. You could have told the same story with a different type of disaster. Replace Clover with a tsunami, hurricane, or anything else and the basic premise of the movie (normal people trying to survive horrific incident) stays intact. Many monster movies do go into the whole analogy like you describe, but that's when the monster is the central character. Cloverfield doesn't take that route.

Also, as I stated before, the filmmakers made a point right off the bat to show that Clover wasn't going to simply be a passive animal. Without any real military provocation, he was causing a lot of active damage. Before we even see any tanks, the monster trashes a tanker, beheads Liberty, and tromps into Manhattan munching people (according to Marlena). That's not even mentioning the collateral damage of having a 300 foot monster knocking into buildings. It was obvious from the start that there would have to be a response to protect the people.

Let's put it this way...watching Cloverfield, I never questioned the need for the military to take out Clover. Watching the Tristar Zilla movie, I kept wanting to yell at the screen because the military was doing x10 more damage than the monster was!

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