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suckaH
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Omg....you moron, it doesn't have horns. It has two fins, one on it's back and one on it's side. This has been discussed so many times it's getting to the point of ridiculousness. Did you bother to click on any of the links that euchre provided???

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Omg....you moron, it doesn't have horns. It has two fins, one on it's back and one on it's side. This has been discussed so many times it's getting to the point of ridiculousness. Did you bother to click on any of the links that euchre provided???

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If those are fins, then that poor "whale" is severely deformed.

Yes, I saw the other link. I disagree with it. And just because it's been discussed before doesn't mean no one is ever aloud to talk about it again. I don't mean to be offensive (though you guys don't seem to have a problem being offensive), I think I'll trust specialists over y'all. Sorry.

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First off everyone needs to keep their cool we are all on the same team here. Also open discussions are a good thing and people with desenting ideas should not be ridiculed.

Ok there is this principle called Ockham's Razor. I will make no Judgement here but provide both arguments as best I can and let you all test vs Ockham's Razor.

We all know what MGP looks like and what sperm whales look like, likewise I would assume that we all know what a bite looks like.

Now with those three things in mind which of the following 2 theories is most probable:

1) image is of a dead MGP
Flaws with this arguement - What would be big enough to take a bite out of MGP - What part of MGP has horns - What part of the picture resembles MGP? - If image is of MGP and a whale that it was eating then why would MGP stop to eat while getting fried?

2) images is of a partial eaten sperm whale
Flaws with this arguement - image of whale does not fit normal biology for species (horns) - Sperm whales are not common on eastern seashores

Might I also point out that the provided whale diagram did not include a sperm whale which is the main species of whale we are discussing.

(I really did try playing devils advocate here but could not come up with any other arguments against the whale theory if anyone has any please feel free to post them)
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Vern345 wrote:
First off everyone needs to keep their cool we are all on the same team here. Also open discussions are a good thing and people with desenting ideas should not be ridiculed.

Ok there is this principle called Ockham's Razor. I will make no Judgement here but provide both arguments as best I can and let you all test vs Ockham's Razor.

We all know what MGP looks like and what sperm whales look like, likewise I would assume that we all know what a bite looks like.

Now with those three things in mind which of the following 2 theories is most probable:

1) image is of a dead MGP
Flaws with this arguement - What would be big enough to take a bite out of MGP - What part of MGP has horns - What part of the picture resembles MGP? - If image is of MGP and a whale that it was eating then why would MGP stop to eat while getting fried?

2) images is of a partial eaten sperm whale
Flaws with this arguement - image of whale does not fit normal biology for species (horns) - Sperm whales are not common on eastern seashores

Might I also point out that the provided whale diagram did not include a sperm whale which is the main species of whale we are discussing.

(I really did try playing devils advocate here but could not come up with any other arguments against the whale theory if anyone has any please feel free to post them)


See, now THAT'S the right way to do it. Everyone take note.
Good on you, Vern. Smile

I'll concede that the artists who created the creatures in the photo were ATTEMPTING to do whales but did not have a representation of a whale before him/her for accuracy.
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Chrizzy wrote:
Does anyone have a People-Who-Still-Think-That-The-Things-In-The-Picture-Are-Not-Whales Detector? 'Cause I'd like to track each and every one of them down and emaciate them like the Wrath of God to the poor, lowly lands of Sodom and Gomorra. I'll go to CNN with the information if I must...trust me.

And, it sounds as if JJ's either being a) drippingly sarcastic, or b) a bitch...either is likely and it's most probably both.

Oh, and it's good to be back. Very Happy
I'll give a cookie to everyone who failed to even notice that I was gone.


yeah, i was one of those people i admit. I did look at the link that was posted for me a couple pages back in this thread. I never bothered to really look closely at the whale in the back of the pic, and now that i see it, yeah i retract my comments as a whole in regards to that being Clovey all blown to smithereens, and apologize for my dumbfoundery. Thank you Unfiction, for accepting my humble apology. And on behalf of all the other people who, dispite the hundreds of posts proving otherwise, seem to think that its still not a whale, i really am sorry for their dumbfoundery aswell, lol. Embarassed

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we all (save for some) fully agree that there's no dumbfoundery here. unless you're actually, literally being a dumbass.

it's not clover in the pictures. it's dead sea life.

capecod, i understand your profession, and i don't challenge you on that. BUT, we did find an actual picture to basically PROVE that it's a sperm whale in the 1-18-08.com image. so that's pretty said and done.

there are no horns. a tapered-limb viewed at the right angle can look horn-like. but there are no horns in the picture.

just becos abrams recently said "yes, he's dead", doesn't mean that the things we've poured on for months need to be re-evaluated just for the sake of a statement. i completely respect your opinion, but based on the research that's already been done, i have to respectfully say that the image is not a dead monster. it is a dead whale, and some other dead whale.

the image was most likely meant to evoke more "what in the hell?!" speculation... becos, what on earth could bite a chunk out of a whale?

why, a 350ft monster, of course. as said, we respect your opinion, but what is known as fact, is that the image is that of attacked, known sea life. known as fact, becos a nearly identical photo of the dead whale (to the left of 1-18-08 image) was found. and there's no horns. there's fins.

we all respect your profession, but i think you ought think in terms of ANGLES, not animals. this thread has already been linked to before, but i will link directly to the image, so we can end this once and for all.

*in reference to the pictures below* can't really argue with this once you see it. to the far left, you see a dead sperm whale. which looks exactly like the actual beached whale image below the 1-18-08 photo. open mouth, fin, and all. to the far right, you see another whale (species unknown) with a large mass of flesh peeled away, exposing the ribs. the "horn" you see is in fact, a limp fin, or in looking at the perspective of the photo, possibly the end of a limp tail. i'm not talking shit to you at all, but i am NOT a whale expert, and even i can see that. first rule of the ARG: see the obvious.



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Unless you happen to work on a whaling vessel, I doubt your experience with whales is one of seeing a shredded carcass as the creature on the right is. As the comparative images show, that's the sperm whale's upturned fin, not a 'horn'. That may be in an odd and apparently unnatural position, but who knows why the image was rendered that way - it is obviously Photoshopped to make it appear as it does. I really don't think they went out and killed a sperm whale and found a way to take a big bite out of it to get the pic. I do have to say that your biologist friends must not be able to see the forest for the trees - considering the untrained eyes here managed to find the whale image through simple human image comparison, and found nearly the exact same image which undoubtedly shows a whale in the same position. Don't suppose you'd want to take those two images back to them and get a nice reaction on video, eh? Twisted Evil

This is Hollywood fiction, so I'm not surprised if they just took a whale image and used it without considering that sperm whales might be rare to nonexistent in the Atlantic...
Then again, we never were told where those images were taken. Wink
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capecod wrote:
suckaH wrote:
Omg....you moron, it doesn't have horns. It has two fins, one on it's back and one on it's side. This has been discussed so many times it's getting to the point of ridiculousness. Did you bother to click on any of the links that euchre provided???

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If those are fins, then that poor "whale" is severely deformed.

Yes, I saw the other link. I disagree with it. And just because it's been discussed before doesn't mean no one is ever aloud to talk about it again. I don't mean to be offensive (though you guys don't seem to have a problem being offensive), I think I'll trust specialists over y'all. Sorry.

I graduated magna cum laude with a graphic design degree. This is a very highly edited picture of whales. Therefore, your expertise of whales is about as valid as my expertise with doctored photos.
I was not attempting to be offensive. But i think we are all a little sick and tired of people discrediting things that we have pretty much determined as fact.
I agree that we cannot see what the other creature is (my last post was direted at the sperm whale only). But does it really look like mgp at all? It's tiny in comparison to him! Maybe it's not a whale (though i definitely see one). But i think we can ALL agree that it is definitely not mgp.

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suckaH wrote:
capecod wrote:
suckaH wrote:
Omg....you moron, it doesn't have horns. It has two fins, one on it's back and one on it's side. This has been discussed so many times it's getting to the point of ridiculousness. Did you bother to click on any of the links that euchre provided???

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If those are fins, then that poor "whale" is severely deformed.

Yes, I saw the other link. I disagree with it. And just because it's been discussed before doesn't mean no one is ever aloud to talk about it again. I don't mean to be offensive (though you guys don't seem to have a problem being offensive), I think I'll trust specialists over y'all. Sorry.

I graduated magna cum laude with a graphic design degree. This is a very highly edited picture of whales. Therefore, your expertise of whales is about as valid as my expertise with doctored photos.
I was not attempting to be offensive. But i think we are all a little sick and tired of people discrediting things that we have pretty much determined as fact.
I agree that we cannot see what the other creature is (my last post was direted at the sperm whale only). But does it really look like mgp at all? It's tiny in comparison to him! Maybe it's not a whale (though i definitely see one). But i think we can ALL agree that it is definitely not mgp.


I never ever ever said it was MGP, nor did I ever think it was. These creatures are black and MGP was a very light color.
And I'm going to say this one more time - I don't care how many times we've discussed an issue in the past; that doesn't mean we are no longer able to talk about it. Stop acting like your word is the word of God. "WE say it's a whale and therefore everyone must bow to our decision." Well I could tell you now where that kind of dictatorial thing can be crammed, but I won't let your outrageous arrogance make me hate you that much.
But you should know that I only discussed this subject because I was responding to SOMEONE ELSE who brought it up. So back the H off.
And yes, NOW that I see a picture of a dead beached sperm whale, I can see that it is the creature in the Cloverfield picture - however the Cloverfield version looks very bizarre, with the tip of its mouth and its entire fin designed to look like a pair of horns, which is why all of my fellow cetaceans biologists disavowed it as a sperm whale, since a sperm whale mouth NEVER looks like horns at ANY angle without doctoring the picture. In fact, we all thought it was some giant sea slug. I guess a human being could look like an air plane if you threw him in the air with bad lighting in the right way and doctored the picture.


And though I didn't mention it before (because I wasn't talking about it before), we do agree that the creature on the right was a whale - a humpback to be specific, as it's markings indicate.

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The picture of the slug is creepy...

That being said, here's a thought:

Ok, yea, Clover is dead. But his sister, Shamrock, is attacking Australia, and SHE's still alive. (If those rather crummy Aussie films could be taken as IG).

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capecod wrote:
suckaH wrote:
capecod wrote:
suckaH wrote:
Omg....you moron, it doesn't have horns. It has two fins, one on it's back and one on it's side. This has been discussed so many times it's getting to the point of ridiculousness. Did you bother to click on any of the links that euchre provided???

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If those are fins, then that poor "whale" is severely deformed.

Yes, I saw the other link. I disagree with it. And just because it's been discussed before doesn't mean no one is ever aloud to talk about it again. I don't mean to be offensive (though you guys don't seem to have a problem being offensive), I think I'll trust specialists over y'all. Sorry.

I graduated magna cum laude with a graphic design degree. This is a very highly edited picture of whales. Therefore, your expertise of whales is about as valid as my expertise with doctored photos.
I was not attempting to be offensive. But i think we are all a little sick and tired of people discrediting things that we have pretty much determined as fact.
I agree that we cannot see what the other creature is (my last post was direted at the sperm whale only). But does it really look like mgp at all? It's tiny in comparison to him! Maybe it's not a whale (though i definitely see one). But i think we can ALL agree that it is definitely not mgp.


I never ever ever said it was MGP, nor did I ever think it was. These creatures are black and MGP was a very light color.
And I'm going to say this one more time - I don't care how many times we've discussed an issue in the past; that doesn't mean we are no longer able to talk about it. Stop acting like your word is the word of God. "WE say it's a whale and therefore everyone must bow to our decision." Well I could tell you now where that kind of dictatorial thing can be crammed, but I won't let your outrageous arrogance make me hate you that much.
But you should know that I only discussed this subject because I was responding to SOMEONE ELSE who brought it up. So back the H off.
And yes, NOW that I see a picture of a dead beached sperm whale, I can see that it is the creature in the Cloverfield picture - however the Cloverfield version looks very bizarre, with the tip of its mouth and its entire fin designed to look like a pair of horns, which is why all of my fellow cetaceans biologists disavowed it as a sperm whale, since a sperm whale mouth NEVER looks like horns at ANY angle without doctoring the picture. In fact, we all thought it was some giant sea slug. I guess a human being could look like an air plane if you threw him in the air with bad lighting in the right way and doctored the picture.

And though I didn't mention it before (because I wasn't talking about it before), we do agree that the creature on the right was a whale - a humpback to be specific, as it's markings indicate.

I never said my word was the word of God. But honestly, WE (as in 99% of the forum) stated loooooong ago that these were whales. We didn't need someone to come in and argue with us. Especially when, in the end, he agrees that both of these were whales.
Who would have guessed that someone who has seen whales maybe once in his life could figure out what these were before the self-professed expert?

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suckaH wrote:
capecod wrote:
suckaH wrote:
capecod wrote:
suckaH wrote:
Omg....you moron, it doesn't have horns. It has two fins, one on it's back and one on it's side. This has been discussed so many times it's getting to the point of ridiculousness. Did you bother to click on any of the links that euchre provided???

SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH


If those are fins, then that poor "whale" is severely deformed.

Yes, I saw the other link. I disagree with it. And just because it's been discussed before doesn't mean no one is ever aloud to talk about it again. I don't mean to be offensive (though you guys don't seem to have a problem being offensive), I think I'll trust specialists over y'all. Sorry.

I graduated magna cum laude with a graphic design degree. This is a very highly edited picture of whales. Therefore, your expertise of whales is about as valid as my expertise with doctored photos.
I was not attempting to be offensive. But i think we are all a little sick and tired of people discrediting things that we have pretty much determined as fact.
I agree that we cannot see what the other creature is (my last post was direted at the sperm whale only). But does it really look like mgp at all? It's tiny in comparison to him! Maybe it's not a whale (though i definitely see one). But i think we can ALL agree that it is definitely not mgp.


I never ever ever said it was MGP, nor did I ever think it was. These creatures are black and MGP was a very light color.
And I'm going to say this one more time - I don't care how many times we've discussed an issue in the past; that doesn't mean we are no longer able to talk about it. Stop acting like your word is the word of God. "WE say it's a whale and therefore everyone must bow to our decision." Well I could tell you now where that kind of dictatorial thing can be crammed, but I won't let your outrageous arrogance make me hate you that much.
But you should know that I only discussed this subject because I was responding to SOMEONE ELSE who brought it up. So back the H off.
And yes, NOW that I see a picture of a dead beached sperm whale, I can see that it is the creature in the Cloverfield picture - however the Cloverfield version looks very bizarre, with the tip of its mouth and its entire fin designed to look like a pair of horns, which is why all of my fellow cetaceans biologists disavowed it as a sperm whale, since a sperm whale mouth NEVER looks like horns at ANY angle without doctoring the picture. In fact, we all thought it was some giant sea slug. I guess a human being could look like an air plane if you threw him in the air with bad lighting in the right way and doctored the picture.

And though I didn't mention it before (because I wasn't talking about it before), we do agree that the creature on the right was a whale - a humpback to be specific, as it's markings indicate.

I never said my word was the word of God. But honestly, WE (as in 99% of the forum) stated loooooong ago that these were whales. We didn't need someone to come in and argue with us. Especially when, in the end, he agrees that both of these were whales.
Who would have guessed that someone who has seen whales maybe once in his life could figure out what these were before the self-professed expert?


I'm so sorry for offending you, your majesty.
Here, let me help you pull your scepter from your bum.

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Two words:
Play Nice.
It is not appropriate to be abusive, whether you are an old player dealing with a new and clearly inexperienced one, or if you are new and are not used to being trouted to inform you of the past body of work.

Cool it, now.
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Euchre wrote:
Two words:
Play Nice.
It is not appropriate to be abusive, whether you are an old player dealing with a new and clearly inexperienced one, or if you are new and are not used to being trouted to inform you of the past body of work.

Cool it, now.

No prob, you got it euch.

Look it what you are doing paramount, driving reasonably sane people to inappropriate and violent tendencies! DAMN YOU JJ, DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!

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hahaha, we all seem to get a little vicious on here at times. i know i've bitten a couple of people's heads off Very Happy

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