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[MISSIONS] Sophrosune and Sofia - Ariadne's Dance
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AUZ505
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 		[MISSIONS] Sophrosune and Sofia - Ariadne's Dance
New mission for Sophrosune and Sofia:
"Figure out if Ariadne's dance really exists"

Here is what Dante found about a dance called Tsakonokos:

More information could be found here

and from Plutarch (see chapter 21 - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Theseus*.html) - Sorry link does not directly work because of the '*'. Please copy and paste.

There is a strong connection to Ariadne and Theseus. It's origin is in the greek city Delos. And it was danced around the Keratona altar, an altar build of horns (reference to Minotaur).

Guess, we soon get e new Eli podcast Wink

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 		Here are the different festivals that i have found around the world.

Japan http://www.japanvisitor.com/index.php?cID=366&pID=401

Nagaoka Festival
1-3 August
Nagaoka, Niigata Prefecture
Parades include a procession of mikoshi and a procession of 500 people in full samurai armour. Also features a range of bugaku dances, traditional music and taiko drumming. Breathtaking fireworks displays are held on the second and third evenings, regularly attracting over 600,000 people.

Sansa Matsuri
1-3 August
Morioka, Iwate Prefecture
A folk dance festival that attracts 20,000 participants every year. Teams from local schools, companies and community organisations come up with their own set of movements and parade through the streets to the beat of 5,000 drummers and other musicians.

random zodiac stuff http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/GlastonburyArchive/time/lit03.html

Greek holidays and festivals (this looks promissing) [url]
http://gogreece.about.com/cs/folkloreevents/a/greeceholidays_4.htm[/url]

Athens festivals [url] http://www.athensguide.com/athens-festival.htm[/url]
ATHENS FESTIVAL AUGUST 2007

Cyprus Theatre Organisation. Euripides, Iphigenia in Tauris.3 & 4 August, 21:00. Epidaurus Ancient Theatre

Greek National Theatre: Sophocles, Electra. 10 & 11 August, 21:00. Epidaurus Ancient Theatre

Frankfurt, Schauspiel: Aeschylus, Oresteia. August 17th -18th ,21:00. Epidaurus Ancient Theatre

National Theatre of Great Britain: Samuel Backett, Happy Days. August 24th-25th , 21;00. Epidaurus Ancient Theatre


hope some of this might help , i choose as many countrys as i could find, scince the 6 are spreed around the world.

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 		The 'Geranos' dance is pretty much the same description as the 'Tsakonikos'.

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 		Through this link you can watch a video of Tsakonikos dance.

http://arcadia.ceid.upatras.gr/arkadia/culture/tsakonia/tsakon.rm

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 		I found reference in a couple of Google Books to Ariadne's Dance. Trout me if I'm repeating info from one of the above links.

From "Pausanias's Description of Greece":
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It has been suggested that the labyrinthine device which appears on coins of Cnosus reproduces the figure of Ariadne's Dance, the complex and involved lines of the device representing the mazy lines in which the dancers moved."


The next book is called "Mazes and Labyrinths," which talks about a dance produced for Ariadne...

http://books.google.com/books?id=D6B9gV2mRVEC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=%22ariadne's+dance%22+labyrinth&source=web&ots=Q7TbdqHmji&sig=d326wBHUmzP1rq6qc2VEpkD5II8&hl=en#PPA19,M1

Page 160 of the book says that the dance is mentioned in the Iliad as having been invented by Daedalus for Ariadne. "Youths with golden swords and maidens crowned with garlands performed it in ranks. Labyrinth dances are only particular expressions of a very early and widely diffused ceremonial associated with the awakening of nature in spring, after its winter sleep." It also says that "The Golden Bough," by Frazier, suggests Ariadne's dance was symbolical of the sun's labyrinthine course in the sky, its intention being, "by sympathetic magic to aid the great luminary to run his race on high."

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 		So we have actually three references:

1) Tsakonikos (which is more related to Theseus, the Labyrinth and the Minotaur) referenced in a work from Plutarch:
Plutarch wrote:

On his voyage from Crete, Theseus put in at Delos, and having sacrificed to the god and dedicated in his temple the image of Aphrodite which he had received from Ariadne, he danced with his youths a dance which they say is still performed by the Delians, being an imitation of the circling passages in the Labyrinth, and consisting of certain rhythmic involutions and evolutions. 2 This kind of dance, as Dicaearchus tells us, is called by the Delians The Crane, and Theseus danced it round the altar called Keraton, which is constructed of horns ("kerata") taken entirely from the left side of the head. He says that he also instituted athletic contests in Delos, and that the custom was then begun by him of giving a palm to the victors.


2) Geranos (which seems to be the same "geranos" = "crane" ??
website / link below wrote:

Geranos (Γέρανος) (crane dance) was danced in Delos. According to Plutarch, Theseus after having killed the Minotaur in the Labyrinth of Knossos, on his way back to Athens, he stopped at Delos. There, he offered a sacrifice to the goddess Aphrodite and he danced around the altar. This dance included serpentine movements, imitating the movements of Theseus inside the Labyrinth. The dance is mentioned by Homer in the Iliad. Some experts say that Theseus danced the Geranos in Crete and not Delos.


3) Ariadne's Dance (has something to do with Daedalus) and seems to be different from the first two. My favourite. Good work, Elisabeth!

Here a nice link to more information

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 		Several days ago I sent Ariadne an email pointing her to the relevant thread about the 'labyrinth dance' on her very own forums, and asking her what she thought about the information that we found. I thought that she might care, seeing as how she was the one that asked us to try to research this information in the first place. but maybe she is so blown away by the Markus events that she hasn't had the time to add her own assessments of whether or not this looks promising. I am sure that she will post her own opinions and comments there at any moment now, though.

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 		(The post here was replaced with the following.)
This site shows several festivals are held in Crete.
Early August - Crete - Anagia - Festival
August - Crete- Rethymnon - Sultana Raisin Festival
August 1-15th - Crete - Neapoli - Driros Festival - plays, literary events, Assumption celebration, traditional races, dancing.
August 15th-18th - Crete - Sitia - Feast of Sultana - Musical event with singing and dancing.
August 25th - Crete - Iraklion - Agios Titos
(But don't we have to make sure whether people in Crete dance the Ariadne's dance around sunset in late summer?)

I made a post about the Shield of Achilles next to this post, but lator I found Canzonett's post in Ariadne's forum, so I deleted mine. I apologize to you.

I was surprised that more useful IG-forum-only discussions exist than used to. Formerly I felt I had only to see uF, but now the situation seems different ....

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 		Ariadneia
Apparently there's a festival dedicated to Ariadne called the Ariadneia. I don't know if this is relevant at all, but I found reference to it when researching the dance on my college databases. It's in a and the reference can be found here, at Google Books

There's also a paper that I discovered:
Into the Labyrinth: Unraveling Ariadne's Thread. Cretan Music Identity and Aesthetics by Maria Hnaraki, that sounds promising. It's found in the journal Dissertation Abstracts International, Section A: The Humanities and Social Sciences (DAIA). ISSN: 0419-4209 Volume 63, Issue 12, Page 4419. I have no way how we would track this down though. The author of the paper might actually be someone worth contacting. Her information is here. Apparently she knows about Crete's dances and musical happenings. Maybe she's heard of Ariadne's dance? Anyone feel like contacting her?

EDIT: Okay, this sounds really intriguing. From the GoogleBooks' Sacred Dance in the Ancient World, linked [url=http://books.google.com/books?id=d1AIKbimGaYC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=%22ariadne's+dance%22&source=web&ots=41UpZgv2k0&sig=ZYTpKMdli47RfHBchWn7MpInmWs&hl=en#PPA71,M1]here[/url]:

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May not, then, "Ariande's Dance" have been an imitation of the sun's course in the sky? Any may not its intention have been, by means of sympathetic magic, to aid the luminary to run his race on high? ... If there is any truth in this conjecture it would seem to follow that the sinuous lines of the labyrinth which the dancers followed in their evolution may have represented the ecliptic, the sun's apparent annual path in the sky. It is some confirmation of this view that on the coins of Cnossus the sun or a star appears in the middle of the labyrinth, the place on which the other coins is occupied by the Minotaur.


This part is from Dying God, by GB. Can anyone find anymore information?

Sacred Dance in the Ancient World also talks about "Ariadne's Dance" as being called the "Labyrinth" as well, and that its purpose might have been to "assist the stars in their course" (see p. 27). Later, it says that it was done to "assist the sun in running its course" (p. 83).

Ariadne's Dance is also frequently referred to as the "Game of Troy."

P.S. I'm Chariton, but I'm also Sofia and Sophrosune as well, so I figured I'd help out a bit, perhaps.

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