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[thebruce]

Once again, a quick reminder - its not that different paths were taken by players, it's mainly because some people here felt purposely mislead by other players in the community, at unfiction. "Working together" doesn't necessarily mean everyone has to know everything about what every player is doing, but more that people in the community don't feel cheated by others in the community.

No one's saying that it was bad that a small group of people decided to do something privately - but the result was misdirection and confusion for players, by players. That is never a good thing in community and collaboration. And it only work in ARGs when it's specifically and knowingly set up that way from the start, so players know what's coming. FTLR was always considered a community game, not a faction game.

[Khaos]

[thebruce]

Oh it can, but now it falls to what kind of game people generally want to play. And if you resort to deception and misleading among the player base, especially where it's not expected or warranted, you're guaranteed to cause conflict. And saying "well it's just part of the game" is a cheap cop out trying to place blame elsewhere.

It's not about defining 'rules' for playing ARGs, it's about providing and encouraging a fun, healthy environment, where everyone is the same playing field (even if it's a factioned game where players know they'll be pitted against each other). In this case, (and pretty much every game that isn't described from the start as including factions) people expected a community working together - not necessarily sharing every single but, but certainly not working against each other.

As I said in my first comment, what's done is done. And if people do insist on playing that way, then the basis for trusting other players, within the same community, has been lowered. With this game we began assuming a trustworthy, communicative playerbase. But if players insist on saying the misleading is part of the game that they are playing, then the general level of trust between players here has just gone down. It can't be both ways. And again, it's not necessarily a bad thing - it's just that maintain a level of 'equality' in enjoyment, we all just need to be on the same level.

Will there, or won't there, be inter-player factioned gameplay (active playing against other players - not just 'doing your own thing') from this point on? Most of us would prefer not, but it sounds like along with the knowledge that many communities are playing and by nature not communicating everything, there may also be groups that wish to willingly mislead other players, in-game. Is that a fair observation?

[ScarpeGrosse]

I would argue something entirely different: Regardless of whether it was a Good Idea or a Bad Idea at the start, it has essentially resulted in a Bad Thing.

My rationale? The actions of the PMs + Couberteam have distracted from the process of game play. Instead of remaining engaged in the story, players are discussing the mechanics of how the game (both via PM and community behavior) works/should work.

(I realize that the above is a big reduction in complexity)

[Weezel]

[Khaos]

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[Khaos]

That, my friend, is a perfectly put argument i can only completly agree with.

If i was picky, i would still say that the "impact" of Couberteam action is really a matter of personnal view. And that it has been mostly exaggerated by some people because of anger.
Reading a mail, wondering if it's IG or not, trying to find who is in a picture, is really not what i would call an "unfun" play.

It only impacted the fun of some because some choose to take it that way. Non-couberteam players expressed before in this thread their congratulations for the achievement of the team, which really mean positive or negative impact is a matter of personality.

But, again, that's being picky and i will side with your opinion :

[danteIL]

[Shad0]

Re: [EMAIL] thecouberteam??

[vpisteve]

OK, this blog post has changed from its original version...beyond her PS at the end.

[VictorSueiro]

I am really tired about this.
I wolud like to say a lot of things, but im not writting in my own language, so, its pretty difficul for me.
Im not agree with a lot of people here. For example: I cant remember those questions that Ariock said he did to me. Maybe because i didnt want to anwser. Is there any rule concerning questions?
I will follow with the game.
This is my last post in this thread.

[ariock]

[Tenchizard]

[AUZ505]