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Ricas Kibu
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 		I sent an email to Dr. Green last night that read:

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Subject: "Oooh! Aaah! That's how it all starts, then there's running, and screaming!"

Body: Dear Dr. Green,

I have a copy of Veronica, and pre-deletion Providence. I'm going to the press.
Yours,

Agent Verne


I wanted to see what kind of response he'd give Got two replies from him about two hours later:

Quote:
Email 1: Nice try. But you lie. noone can copy a human being. I know. I've tried.

Email 2: Oh. and tell your friend with aspirations to evil that he will never be so much as worthy to lick my boots.


So, it looks like Dr. Green thinks he's some sort of evil genius, or something.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:51 am
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S.P.I.
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Ricas Kibu wrote:
Email 2: Oh. and tell your friend with aspirations to evil that he will never be so much as worthy to lick my boots.


Like I want to lick your boots, dude. Yes guys, I'm the friend with aspirations for evil...

Well, I define evil differently than all of you. I sent him a warning that went like follows:



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A word to the wise: be cautious. Many are watching you. Not that I'm not one of them, I just have a soft spot for arrogant sociopathic idiots. I recommend not returning their emails if you don't want to spill any more secrets.

Good day.

/Basil/

Quote:

Be gone. I will do as I wish. Fool I am no more a sociopath then the next man.

Quote:

Oh, I know a thing or two about sociopathy as well. That isn't the point, friend. Do as you wish but my offering of alliance won't be here forever. Let's hope you won't need it.

/Basil/


and he didn't appreciate it. I love Providence but that doesn't mean I can't see where he is coming from. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:00 am
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Ricas Kibu
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 		Just been talking with Dr. Scott:

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[21:05] DRSCTTGC: good job, he's livid
[21:06] DRSCTTGC: locked himself in his office for now.
[21:06] Ricas Kibu: WHat, was that meant sarcasticly?
[21:06] DRSCTTGC: Nope.
[21:06] DRSCTTGC: When he's mad he ****** off and lets me work
[21:06] Ricas Kibu: Well, thanks, and you're welcome.
[21:06] Ricas Kibu: It's not that hard to **** him off.
[21:08] DRSCTTGC: you'd be amazed
[21:08] Ricas Kibu: Besides the livid Green, how're things over your end anyway?
[21:09] DRSCTTGC: Alright. Little progress. He's making me start again from scratch. scrapped the whole thing.
[21:10] Ricas Kibu: Yeah? What's happened to Veronica?
[21:11] DRSCTTGC: Heh. Nothing much can happen to those six feet under.
[21:11] Ricas Kibu: Makes sense.
[21:12] Ricas Kibu: What about Providence?
[21:13] DRSCTTGC: Hibernating I guess you could say. I'll try to bring her back when i'm done with this new project
[21:14] Ricas Kibu: Cool, thanks. What's this new project you're working on?
[21:17] DRSCTTGC: sorry. Signed a non-disclosure agreement.
[21:17] Ricas Kibu: Hair enough.
[21:17] Ricas Kibu: Erm, Fair enough even.
[21:19] DRSCTTGC: yes
[21:20] Ricas Kibu: Green still using keyloggers on everyones computers?
[21:21] DRSCTTGC: prolly. but I'm using paranoidlinux now. *grins*
[21:21] Ricas Kibu: Good idea. Smile
[21:21] DRSCTTGC: Yea. I set it to mostly throw up work related stuff. medical databases, technical specs. all that
[21:22] Ricas Kibu: Cool, good idea.
[21:23] Ricas Kibu: Last time, you mentioned Post-Humans, and using them for Providence and Veronica. How did you choose who to take part in the project as the bodies for P and V?
[21:24] DRSCTTGC: Not my department.
[21:24] Ricas Kibu: *nods* Fair enough.
[21:24] DRSCTTGC: I'm a codemonkey mostly. work on the computer side. the flesh is VD's *Grin* side far as I know it's vat grown.
[21:25] Ricas Kibu: Really now? Hmmm....
[21:25] DRSCTTGC: That's what I'm told anyways.
[21:25] Ricas Kibu: Still, props to you for working on somethign so cutting edge.
[21:25] DRSCTTGC: Thanks
[21:26] Ricas Kibu: Welcome. Actually, think I remember hearing VD say the subjects were wanted anymore, or something.
[21:27] DRSCTTGC: Fuck. Maybe i'm going to have to take a more active interest. anyways. I gotta run he'll be coming out for his hourly check round soon.
[21:27] Ricas Kibu: Dont believe everything you hear.
[21:27] Ricas Kibu: Especially from VD.
[21:28] Ricas Kibu: ANyway, if you're heading off, goodbye good luck.
[21:28] DRSCTTGC: yea. take care.
[21:28] Ricas Kibu: Thanks.


So, a few more facts pop up:
1. Veronica is dead.
2. Green is responsible for subject acquisition, and Dr. Scott deals with code.
3.Green's been lying about the source of the subjects. (I half-remembered somebody getting an email off Green about where he got the subjects, but it didnt sound like it was from vats.)
4. New project they can't talk about. (We could try making Green angry, and slipping up into telling us something.)

I also got another email from Green. Nothing interesting, just claiming he's better than us.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:40 pm
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 		from Kuri's IM chat
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KuriTheBrave (12:20:48 AM): but would i be safe in assuming you're going to bring her back and try to get her away from dr. green?
DRSCTTGC (12:21:19 AM): Sure

Began wondering if it wasn't a flaw to view dr. Scott as a white hat hacker so I sent him this IM(awaiting reply)
Quote:
Does the foundation,research institute or major grants funder where you work have a web site or presence for public access? thanks.
Being time zone challenged Crying or Very sad Razz if any of y'all think it's relevant and want to persue this in IM chat,that would be SUPAH
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Kuri
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 		I think Amandel's got a good point. Dr. Scott is seeming rather deliberately evasive.
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KuriTheBrave (1:17:02 PM): hi Mark
DRSCTTGC (1:20:49 PM): Hey
KuriTheBrave (1:20:57 PM): how are things?
DRSCTTGC (1:21:23 PM): tiring
KuriTheBrave (1:21:35 PM): lots of work on the new project?
DRSCTTGC (1:22:25 PM): Yea/
KuriTheBrave (1:22:53 PM): still can't tell us what it's about?
DRSCTTGC (1:23:14 PM): Nope.sorry. You ain't offering me enough to risk me losing my job.
KuriTheBrave (1:23:19 PM): lol
KuriTheBrave (1:23:26 PM): fair enough
KuriTheBrave (1:23:48 PM): but can you tell me what the Providence project was about?
KuriTheBrave (1:24:02 PM): b/c dr. green obviously didn't think she was successfully fulfilling her purpose
DRSCTTGC (1:24:10 PM): I could. but I gotta go grab something to eat real quick.
KuriTheBrave (1:24:10 PM): which got me thinking to what her purpose actually was
KuriTheBrave (1:24:12 PM): ok
KuriTheBrave (1:24:42 PM): ttyl then

I suppose he could have a good reason for withholding information, and there really is no reason for him to completely trust us. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Kuri
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 		I take back my suspicions of dr. scott! Just got some important info!
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DRSCTTGC (1:38:02 PM): back. sorry about that
KuriTheBrave (1:38:09 PM): no prob
KuriTheBrave (1:38:11 PM): gotta eat
DRSCTTGC (1:38:12 PM): And is it really fun if we just give the answers away?
KuriTheBrave (1:38:15 PM): lol
KuriTheBrave (1:38:21 PM): it could be?
KuriTheBrave (1:38:35 PM): i've been trying to get something out of dr. green
KuriTheBrave (1:38:37 PM): but no luck
DRSCTTGC (1:38:41 PM): well. let's put together what you know so far
KuriTheBrave (1:38:45 PM): ok
DRSCTTGC (1:38:50 PM): I gave you the name Veronica. Who is she?
KuriTheBrave (1:39:04 PM): we're thinking providence's sister
KuriTheBrave (1:39:07 PM): but then again
KuriTheBrave (1:39:12 PM): it's been said that she's dead
KuriTheBrave (1:39:19 PM): and providence mentioned her sister in her blog
DRSCTTGC (1:39:32 PM): and AI/PH don't really die. Providence's sister is Patience.
KuriTheBrave (1:39:52 PM): oh
KuriTheBrave (1:39:57 PM): wow
KuriTheBrave (1:39:59 PM): ok
DRSCTTGC (1:40:02 PM): as mentioned in her blog. *winks*
KuriTheBrave (1:40:04 PM): lol
DRSCTTGC (1:40:16 PM): so. Who is Veronica?
KuriTheBrave (1:40:32 PM): haha. that would be the question
KuriTheBrave (1:40:47 PM): someone important enough that the mere mention of her name ticks dr. green off
DRSCTTGC (1:40:52 PM): you should already have the answer. Doc Green isn't the only one who can use a keylogger.
KuriTheBrave (1:41:40 PM): ooh
KuriTheBrave (1:41:50 PM): well this is important stuff
DRSCTTGC (1:42:08 PM): Well. Goever what you know. what you goaded out of DV
DRSCTTGC (1:42:12 PM): and tell me who she is.
KuriTheBrave (1:42:31 PM): ok, i'll get on that
KuriTheBrave (1:42:36 PM): thanks a bunch
DRSCTTGC (1:42:45 PM): welcome. I'll be on most of the day.
DRSCTTGC (1:42:55 PM): I'll help with the next step when you finish this one.
KuriTheBrave (1:43:02 PM): awesome
KuriTheBrave (1:43:16 PM): i'll start brainstorming right away
DRSCTTGC (1:43:53 PM): okay. i recommend going back over the emails
DRSCTTGC (1:44:14 PM): and if any more of hr friends wanna talk they are welcome to
KuriTheBrave (1:44:22 PM): ok
KuriTheBrave (1:44:25 PM): i'll let them know

So Patience is the sister. And Veronica is a mystery. Any ideas?

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Kuri wrote:
I take back my suspicions of dr. scott! Just got some important info!
[...]
So Patience is the sister. And Veronica is a mystery. Any ideas?


Duh. I knew that Patience is her sister, but then I thought you got the info about Veronica = (second) sister from contact with the characters.


So, maybe Veronica was the first version of Providence. And had to be terminated after Providence was completed.
Or her mother? But then she wouldn't be an AI/Posthuman...

Ask Dr. Scott whether Dr. Green has or had a wife.

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Kuri
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 		Heh. Yeah, reading back over everything, I see that we got the name Patience at the beginning. I feel rather dumb now. lol. Embarassed

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Kuri
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 		Sorry to be hogging the thread, but I thought I'd let everybody know that I tried the mother avenue to no success.
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KuriTheBrave (2:14:19 PM): i read over another person im conversation with green
KuriTheBrave (2:14:28 PM): when he was using providence's aim
KuriTheBrave (2:14:40 PM): and he said that Providence's mother had passed
KuriTheBrave (2:14:46 PM): is Veronica Providence's mother?
DRSCTTGC (2:19:05 PM): ....in a sense. but no.
DRSCTTGC (2:19:33 PM): I gave you the name with his email address

I must be really slow, cuz I'm just not seeing it.
Edit: Got it!
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KuriTheBrave (2:46:44 PM): ok, attempt number 2
KuriTheBrave (2:46:52 PM): in yet another email from dr. green
KuriTheBrave (2:47:04 PM): he refers to veronica as his "daughter"
KuriTheBrave (2:47:16 PM): does that mean she's a posthuman like providence?
KuriTheBrave (2:47:21 PM): perhaps an earlier version?
DRSCTTGC (2:47:37 PM): heh. Nope. but closer this time.
KuriTheBrave (2:47:43 PM): haha
DRSCTTGC (2:48:06 PM): he refers to Veronica as his daughter. and he refers to providence as his "daughter" what does that make Veronica?
KuriTheBrave (2:48:21 PM): another of providence's sisters?
DRSCTTGC (2:49:03 PM): Nope
KuriTheBrave (2:49:47 PM): his actual daughter?
DRSCTTGC (2:51:06 PM): Good Job.
KuriTheBrave (2:51:16 PM): woot!
KuriTheBrave (2:51:18 PM): lol
KuriTheBrave (2:51:26 PM): alright, i'm slow, but i got there

Implications?

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Ricas Kibu
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 		Just finished talking to Dr. Scott, and I've learned something new:

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[20:39] Ricas Kibu: Mind giving me any clues as to the link between Providence and Veronica?
[20:40] DRSCTTGC: Why would Doc Green have called providence his daughter?
[20:41] Ricas Kibu: If he felt some connection to her?
[20:41] Ricas Kibu: Like if Veronica was the basis, or inspiration, for Providence, or somesuch.
[20:44] DRSCTTGC: *grins*
[20:44] Ricas Kibu: Am I right?
[20:44] DRSCTTGC: yes


So, know we know that Providence was based on Veronica.

I asked about what happened to Patience, but he said he had to go, and logged off.

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 		so, remember the 500 word essay? it worked! well, at least a bit. here's the answer from dr green:
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Unfortunately. by my count. that's only 496. So you don't get the full prize. However. You may ask me three questions.

Well, by my count (ok, my openoffice' count) they're 500, but however... I think its important to select the best 3 questions.
any ideas anybody?
I'd propose:
1) are your PH mostly biologic or "hardware"?
2) how do you create and modify personalities and memories?
3) what do you intend to use them for?

p.s. if anyone is curious about the essay or would like to count words, I'll be happy to load it... just thought not to "overburden" the forum/thread!

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 		What if.. DV is trying to replace his daughter(Veronica). I have a sneaking suspicion that she died. Providence is a chance at redemption for DV. Perhaps He figured out how to capture her persona. Place it into another body. Just a thought..

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Kninjite wrote:
What if.. DV is trying to replace his daughter(Veronica). I have a sneaking suspicion that she died. Providence is a chance at redemption for DV. Perhaps He figured out how to capture her persona. Place it into another body. Just a thought..


Veronica did die, I believe Doctor Green mentions that when we emailed him the name in the first place. And I agree, it seems that is why he created Providence. Very Happy
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 		Wondering(out in left field Wink ) if dr. Green had perhaps used Veronica's neural stem cells in creating Providence, I asked him and got this spooky reply:
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I did not cannibalize my daughter's body...Have you ever noticed how similar many homo sapiens appear to be?

Feeling like a ghoul for asking him and a moron for still being clueless.... Rolling Eyes
@chiarac--I bet your word count is spot on and nicely done!
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 		I bet that is why he wiped Providence and is trying to start over. She was becoming her own "person" and not a replica of his daughter.
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