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 		Why does the female Black Widow spider eat the male after mating? Does anyone know?

http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/07/screencaps-from-dharma-bluetooth.html

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 		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_widow_spider

Contrary to popular belief, the female only rarely eats the male after mating, and L. mactans is the only black widow species for which this form of sexual cannibalism has been observed in the wild. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest.[6] Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females[7]. This is a general misconception, as the name seems to suggest that the males are invariably consumed after mating.

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Sam G wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_widow_spider

Contrary to popular belief, the female only rarely eats the male after mating, and L. mactans is the only black widow species for which this form of sexual cannibalism has been observed in the wild. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest.[6] Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females[7]. This is a general misconception, as the name seems to suggest that the males are invariably consumed after mating.


but, why? that doesn't tell us "why".

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dposse wrote:
Why does the female Black Widow spider eat the male after mating? Does anyone know?

http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/07/screencaps-from-dharma-bluetooth.html


From Wikipedia
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Contrary to popular belief, the female only rarely eats the male after mating, and L. mactans is the only black widow species for which this form of sexual cannibalism has been observed in the wild. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest. Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females. This is a general misconception, as the name seems to suggest that the males are invariably consumed after mating.


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There are two obvious advantages to sexual cannibalism:
* Natural selection - Any male who succumbs to the female's attempts to devour him before mating occurs fails to pass on his DNA. This is only applicable in species in which the male is not fully complicit in his demise.
* Nutrition - Any male eaten by a female, whether he has mated with her or not, provides a female with nutritional benefits which might increase the quantity or quality of her offspring...

By becoming food for the stronger sex, males forfeit any future mating opportunities. Sexual cannibalism is favored by natural selection when it significantly increases the viable eggs fertilized by the cannibalized male's sperm. This model only applies to situations in which cannibalism occurs after sperm transfer. For males, sexual cannibalism may have evolved as an extreme form of paternal investment. If a male's sacrifice significantly increases the quality or quantity of his offspring, sexual cannibalism could be an adaptive male strategy rather than the result of a conflict of interest between the sexes.

There are three difficulties with this hypothesis, however:
* Males are prevented from further matings
* Males often try to avoid being eaten, suggesting it is not advantageous to them
* Males are usually eaten before they can mate

Together this evidence may suggest a case of sexual conflict, however it still remains unclear if this is the case...

Males of sexually cannibalistic arthropod species use diverse strategies to decrease their chances of being cannibalized... Male black widows and crab spiders often restrain females in silk prior to copulation...

Evidence for male complicity in their own cannibalism is anecdotal and has not been borne out by experimental and behavioral research. Even in species in which cannibalism is known to increase the number and/or viability of offspring (including mantids, black widow spiders, jumping spiders, and scorpions) males approach females cautiously and retreat quickly after copulation. In the sexually cannibalistic black widow spider Latrodectus mactans, when males survive copulation they often fertilize multiple females.


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Apopheniac79 wrote:
dposse wrote:
Why does the female Black Widow spider eat the male after mating? Does anyone know?

http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/07/screencaps-from-dharma-bluetooth.html


From Wikipedia
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Contrary to popular belief, the female only rarely eats the male after mating, and L. mactans is the only black widow species for which this form of sexual cannibalism has been observed in the wild. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest. Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females. This is a general misconception, as the name seems to suggest that the males are invariably consumed after mating.


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There are two obvious advantages to sexual cannibalism:
* Natural selection - Any male who succumbs to the female's attempts to devour him before mating occurs fails to pass on his DNA. This is only applicable in species in which the male is not fully complicit in his demise.
* Nutrition - Any male eaten by a female, whether he has mated with her or not, provides a female with nutritional benefits which might increase the quantity or quality of her offspring...

By becoming food for the stronger sex, males forfeit any future mating opportunities. Sexual cannibalism is favored by natural selection when it significantly increases the viable eggs fertilized by the cannibalized male's sperm. This model only applies to situations in which cannibalism occurs after sperm transfer. For males, sexual cannibalism may have evolved as an extreme form of paternal investment. If a male's sacrifice significantly increases the quality or quantity of his offspring, sexual cannibalism could be an adaptive male strategy rather than the result of a conflict of interest between the sexes.

There are three difficulties with this hypothesis, however:
* Males are prevented from further matings
* Males often try to avoid being eaten, suggesting it is not advantageous to them
* Males are usually eaten before they can mate

Together this evidence may suggest a case of sexual conflict, however it still remains unclear if this is the case...

Males of sexually cannibalistic arthropod species use diverse strategies to decrease their chances of being cannibalized... Male black widows and crab spiders often restrain females in silk prior to copulation...

Evidence for male complicity in their own cannibalism is anecdotal and has not been borne out by experimental and behavioral research. Even in species in which cannibalism is known to increase the number and/or viability of offspring (including mantids, black widow spiders, jumping spiders, and scorpions) males approach females cautiously and retreat quickly after copulation. In the sexually cannibalistic black widow spider Latrodectus mactans, when males survive copulation they often fertilize multiple females.


ah, so it's natural selection. The strongest survive and the weak die.

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dposse wrote:
Apopheniac79 wrote:
dposse wrote:
Why does the female Black Widow spider eat the male after mating? Does anyone know?

http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/07/screencaps-from-dharma-bluetooth.html


From Wikipedia
Quote:
Contrary to popular belief, the female only rarely eats the male after mating, and L. mactans is the only black widow species for which this form of sexual cannibalism has been observed in the wild. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest. Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females. This is a general misconception, as the name seems to suggest that the males are invariably consumed after mating.


Also from Wikipedia
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There are two obvious advantages to sexual cannibalism:
* Natural selection - Any male who succumbs to the female's attempts to devour him before mating occurs fails to pass on his DNA. This is only applicable in species in which the male is not fully complicit in his demise.
* Nutrition - Any male eaten by a female, whether he has mated with her or not, provides a female with nutritional benefits which might increase the quantity or quality of her offspring...

By becoming food for the stronger sex, males forfeit any future mating opportunities. Sexual cannibalism is favored by natural selection when it significantly increases the viable eggs fertilized by the cannibalized male's sperm. This model only applies to situations in which cannibalism occurs after sperm transfer. For males, sexual cannibalism may have evolved as an extreme form of paternal investment. If a male's sacrifice significantly increases the quality or quantity of his offspring, sexual cannibalism could be an adaptive male strategy rather than the result of a conflict of interest between the sexes.

There are three difficulties with this hypothesis, however:
* Males are prevented from further matings
* Males often try to avoid being eaten, suggesting it is not advantageous to them
* Males are usually eaten before they can mate

Together this evidence may suggest a case of sexual conflict, however it still remains unclear if this is the case...

Males of sexually cannibalistic arthropod species use diverse strategies to decrease their chances of being cannibalized... Male black widows and crab spiders often restrain females in silk prior to copulation...

Evidence for male complicity in their own cannibalism is anecdotal and has not been borne out by experimental and behavioral research. Even in species in which cannibalism is known to increase the number and/or viability of offspring (including mantids, black widow spiders, jumping spiders, and scorpions) males approach females cautiously and retreat quickly after copulation. In the sexually cannibalistic black widow spider Latrodectus mactans, when males survive copulation they often fertilize multiple females.


ah, so it's natural selection. The strongest survive and the weak die.


That was a pretty big quote for just a single line of response. Smile

Seriously, though: if you are going to post a single line like that, immediately below the thing you're quoting, it might be best to leave out the massive quote. People's scroll-uppers usually work pretty well.
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BrianEnigma wrote:
dposse wrote:
Apopheniac79 wrote:
dposse wrote:
Why does the female Black Widow spider eat the male after mating? Does anyone know?

http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/07/screencaps-from-dharma-bluetooth.html


From Wikipedia
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Contrary to popular belief, the female only rarely eats the male after mating, and L. mactans is the only black widow species for which this form of sexual cannibalism has been observed in the wild. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest. Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females. This is a general misconception, as the name seems to suggest that the males are invariably consumed after mating.


Also from Wikipedia
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There are two obvious advantages to sexual cannibalism:
* Natural selection - Any male who succumbs to the female's attempts to devour him before mating occurs fails to pass on his DNA. This is only applicable in species in which the male is not fully complicit in his demise.
* Nutrition - Any male eaten by a female, whether he has mated with her or not, provides a female with nutritional benefits which might increase the quantity or quality of her offspring...

By becoming food for the stronger sex, males forfeit any future mating opportunities. Sexual cannibalism is favored by natural selection when it significantly increases the viable eggs fertilized by the cannibalized male's sperm. This model only applies to situations in which cannibalism occurs after sperm transfer. For males, sexual cannibalism may have evolved as an extreme form of paternal investment. If a male's sacrifice significantly increases the quality or quantity of his offspring, sexual cannibalism could be an adaptive male strategy rather than the result of a conflict of interest between the sexes.

There are three difficulties with this hypothesis, however:
* Males are prevented from further matings
* Males often try to avoid being eaten, suggesting it is not advantageous to them
* Males are usually eaten before they can mate

Together this evidence may suggest a case of sexual conflict, however it still remains unclear if this is the case...

Males of sexually cannibalistic arthropod species use diverse strategies to decrease their chances of being cannibalized... Male black widows and crab spiders often restrain females in silk prior to copulation...

Evidence for male complicity in their own cannibalism is anecdotal and has not been borne out by experimental and behavioral research. Even in species in which cannibalism is known to increase the number and/or viability of offspring (including mantids, black widow spiders, jumping spiders, and scorpions) males approach females cautiously and retreat quickly after copulation. In the sexually cannibalistic black widow spider Latrodectus mactans, when males survive copulation they often fertilize multiple females.


ah, so it's natural selection. The strongest survive and the weak die.


That was a pretty big quote for just a single line of response. Smile

Seriously, though: if you are going to post a single line like that, immediately below the thing you're quoting, it might be best to leave out the massive quote. People's scroll-uppers usually work pretty well.


If you can't say anything nice, then just shut the hell up. That was really uncalled for. I don't care if it's sarcasm or not. Honestly, who cares if you have to scroll past a quote? It's not like we can't make a new thread.

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 		For what it's worth, I concur with BrianEnigma.
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 		And, for what it's worth--while the main dharmawantsyou site still displays the same message, one of the subdirectories (which used to say "coming soon") is now displaying an error message.
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 		so two thins are possible:

1) There is a programming issue - the more likely explanation
2) its part of the game and its supposed to have failed? - really unlikely

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 		Hoodlum must really blow. If the site is locked due to an error, then this is the second game that they have messed up. Remember all the errors in Find815?

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 		Monte over at Inside The Experience said
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The find185.com website updates always were at 5:00 or 6:00 p.m. PDT, and the ITE updates often were around noon EST. So I am confident the site will go active pretty soon, and no later than 6:00 p.m. PDT today.


EDiT: And yes I was less than impressed with Hoodlum's management of Find815. They posted things earlier then stated, withdrew them, and then re-posted them at the stated time. Not to mention it was essentially just flash games. Let's hope this time around, without a writers strike, they will offer a more robust experience.

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 		Is that error message normal? I don't know what PHP error messages traditionally look like...
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Hoodlum must really blow. If the site is locked due to an error, then this is the second game that they have messed up. Remember all the errors in Find815?


I vote we hold back on giving the PM's shit for a game that hasn't actually started yet.
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sowasred2012 wrote:
dposse wrote:
Hoodlum must really blow. If the site is locked due to an error, then this is the second game that they have messed up. Remember all the errors in Find815?


I vote we hold back on giving the PM's shit for a game that hasn't actually started yet.


Aside from a few initial growing pains, I don't really remember many errors in Find815. I think, overall, it had some pretty high production values (excepting the errors in the first chapter or so.) Unfortunately, I would only loosely define Find815 as an ARG. The experience was pretty much "on rails"--which is not to say I disliked it. It was a good diversion and some decent storytelling, although a true players-make-decisions-ARG it was not.

But I agree that we should hold off judgment until the game itself actually launches. Remember: the error is in a subdirectory that isn't explicitly linked to from anywhere. Viewing the source of the main page shows you that the folder exists, but nothing actually links there yet.
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