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[TRAILHEAD] Lost Experience Part Trois?
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Apopheniac79
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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Part of my personal theory of "what the hell is happening on Lost" is that the Island doesn't just move through traditional space and time but dimensions as well.

Dimension "A" Dharma comes to the Island, finds the donkey wheel, turns it and accidently (as in the Incident?) moves it into Dimension "B". Later, Ben puts on a Dimension "A" Dharma coat, turns the donky wheel, intentionally sends the Island into Dimension "C", and gets thrown out into Dimension "B". If so, Ben's logo changing on his jacket (or the other variations) of the Dharma logo have no significant meaning. They are just that, variations of the logo for different Dharmas in different dimensions. The changing of Ben's logo is the same "course correction" that Desmond learns about during his initial time hopping.

It's all quite logical, no? Rolling Eyes


Actually that is very logical, assuming multiple parallel dimensions.

My biggest qualm with LOST inhabiting a Multidimensional universe is that, then no actions by any characters have any real consequence. Any actions 'warp' you into a new dimension, making all actions, essentially, equal a new universe (this is a form of a 'branching universe theory'). This is something that TPTB have strived to avoid. This idea (a multi-verse) basically undermines the idea that all the actions of the characters have a definitive outcome or cost. It is similar to the universe that Terminator inhabits (not that I that well versed in the Termi-verse), in that even though certain events have transpired for certain characters those events can be changed. Raising the question of 'did it happen?' the answer in a multi-verse is "Yes. Just in another universe." This is a wholly unsatisfying answer. And I don't see LOST going that route, the fact that TPTB stated that what we have seen of the (from the perspective of the characters) future is immutable should be a clue that the idea of a multi-verse has been ruled out for the plot of the show.

BTW: LOVE your SN Wink

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Re: DWY Shadow
Rotated and Mirrored? how light scatters ...

Apopheniac79 wrote:
The shadow of the 'bagua' does not match the main bagua. During the rotation after selecting one of buttons the main bagua 'opens' up and (as noted by sea_dot) each trigram exists on it's own 'plane', which does not change regardless of rotation. I mention that simply to say that this difference, I think, cannot account for the inconsistent shadow.
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Not sure what it all means but, given the high quality of the design on the site I'm sure that it was intentional. Hopefully someone can confirm or discredit this and maybe knows what it might mean for the game.


This reminds me of when Daniel Faraday remarks that the "light doesn't scatter right" on the island. It's a really nice touch in the web design - and good job on catching it!

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americandingbat wrote:

This reminds me of when Daniel Faraday remarks that the "light doesn't scatter right" on the island...


I think, this is more of a nod to the fact that the Minkowski space theorems are flawed. In that the Einsteinian ideals of the constancy of light may be flawed. Wink

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lostgeek wrote:

You should better say timelines and move your theory into the 5-dimensional space (parallel universes). Then it would be quite logical. But lostpedia says:
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In "The Shape of Things to Come" the parka's logo has incorrectly ordered hexagrams; however, this prop was remedied in "There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3".


This might mean something if it was written by someone in the LOST prop department. Since LOSTpedia is written and edited by fans it is just a guess on their part as to why there is a difference.

Until there is official word, I'm leaving this open as a clue.

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And sometimes on TV the costume/prop/continuity guys make a mistake.

I think the changed logo for the NEW Dharma is because it's now the 21st Century (updating from the 1970s era).

Not everything is a clue. And in the case of this online activity, they didn't have anything so subtle in the past, why change horses now?
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Actually, there are quite a few things like this.

Most recently in Confirmed Dead - the change in the picture frames when Miles goes up and comes down the stairs.

When a production decides on a prop like the patches, with the logos, they just don't make one of them, they need backup, the pattern is programmed into the sewing machine.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Right now, I don't believe it's an error.

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Sam G wrote:
Actually, there are quite a few things like this.

Most recently in Confirmed Dead - the change in the picture frames when Miles goes up and comes down the stairs.

When a production decides on a prop like the patches, with the logos, they just don't make one of them, they need backup, the pattern is programmed into the sewing machine.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Right now, I don't believe it's an error.


I agree. I also don't believe that the web design was a graphic design choice. If it was, I'd slap their hands! Imagine making a website for "The Sisters of Charity" and choosing to place the cross upside down because it looks better? Even if it's a fictitious group, a good designer won't mess with religious symbols.

Unless, of course, you are trying to say something by doing so- i.e. The Sisters of Charity actually work for the Devil or Dharma knows that the energy flows of the universe have been altered in some way...

I think it will end up being useful. Maybe not now, but we might need it later. If not, bad designers! For shame! Wink

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Sam G wrote:
Actually, there are quite a few things like this.

Most recently in Confirmed Dead - the change in the picture frames when Miles goes up and comes down the stairs.
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The picture frames thing is really weird, there is no way that that is a production error (it would entail re-framing all those pictures in new frames, a much larger job than production error could account for). And I also agree on the logo, though for differing reasons but, the end result is that it is a planed 'move' by TPTB. The significance of either (especially the picture frames (wtf?!?)) is tbd.

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Sam G wrote:
Actually, there are quite a few things like this.

Most recently in Confirmed Dead - the change in the picture frames when Miles goes up and comes down the stairs.


Ok. That really seems like a clue.

After doing his work, Miles looks at the wall and the camera is showing the frames for at least a second like the calendar in "The Constant".

And since the calendar measures time, we could sometime get another glance at it and see other markings or something.

I think you're on to something Smile

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konamouse wrote:
And sometimes on TV the costume/prop/continuity guys make a mistake.

I think the changed logo for the NEW Dharma is because it's now the 21st Century (updating from the 1970s era).

Not everything is a clue. And in the case of this online activity, they didn't have anything so subtle in the past, why change horses now?


I'm going to side with Kona on this. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, you know? Find815 was very much an on-rails ride through Autopia. They'd bludgen you with clues because there was no subtlety in anything. I am not saying this was bad--it made it accessible to more people than your typical crypto-leaning ARG, and it didn't take up crazy amounts of my time. In the time-spent versus entertainment-value scale, it ranked pretty high in my book. I don't expect DharmaWantsYou to be exactly the same, but I also don't expect it to be a huge leap into cryptic-ARG space, either. They want to make it accessible to people so that Joe-average can get some entertainment from it, too.

The game seems to be in a holding pattern until they release their first round of tests--they're either waiting to collect up attention and more users, waiting to iron out scalability and load issues, or some combination of the two.
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Javi's "cigar is just a cigar", I put that in the same category as:

Michael Ausiello from TV Guide:
First off, I have a bone to pick with you, Damon. Last July, I asked you if a female character was getting killed this season on Lost, and you said — and I quote: "I think it would be fairly silly for us to kill a woman — there are only three or four of them on the show. And they're all really hot." So, I guess my question is, how can I ever trust you again?

Damon Lindelof: I never said we weren't going to kill a woman. I said it would be silly. And you know, Carlton and I are pretty silly guys.

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Um....yeah. I had to think about posting this, fearing it's way off topic, but in a way it isn't, so I decided to post. Theorizing about the tv show plot isn't usually conducive to the game, but here I think it's sort of applicable.

First off, let me say I don't go through all the forums. I have watched most, if not all of the episodes since day 1. I haven't played any of the games, although I started to play the Find815 one but lost interest. I have not read or discussed the episodes in detail or searched for easter eggs, etc. So I am not by any stretch of the imagination a Lost "expert". My takes are purely from my brain processing the episodes I viewed. Since starting this game some players told me I needed to go watch the orientation type films on Youtube, so I did.

This is regarding the "Confirmed Dead" episode. Most people refer to the introductions of the 4 new characters as "flashbacks". I think they are flashFORWARDs....in a weird sense.

Harking to the Dharma reel where the guy tells us that if the numbers of the formula are changed, then the outcome of the future will be changed. The whole "reconstitution" of the Dharma Initiative makes me think the "new recruits" are going back in time to try and change the outcome of the present. If they are successful, where the plane crashes could be different (Faraday crying at seeing the "what viewers thinks is a fake" plane found underwater), the pilot could be different (no ring), etc. And in changing the events, could there not be residual effects that might need to be cleaned up? (Miles' "exorcism" when the picture frames change from dumpy to nice.) I took the pictures changing to be a "physical" confirmation that yes, now that the money is gone (perhaps a footprint from the first time around) things are as they should be with the change. To me the shot of the tattered frame spoke of the reality of this woman struggling to raise a grandson that was in and out of trouble....while the second, nicer grouping of frames told of an easier life. When Miles removed the residue of the first round of time, things changed to what they would be if this woman hadn't had such a struggle.

It seems to me in the storyline the "spiritual world" knows what's going on and is working to that end as well. It would certainly explain the otherwise completely baffling disappearance of Claire.

To me, the whole changing of Ben's logo was a hint at what was coming up...the "reconstitution" of Dharma, and their subsequent travel back in time. Therefore I expect flashes of this type of thing to pop up in this game. I don't think it's a clue from which we need to derive our next move, I think it's more of a directional confirmation.

Does any of this make sense to you guys? Feel free to flog me with trout.....
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Sassy wrote:
Um....yeah. I had to think about posting this, fearing it's way off topic, but in a way it isn't, so I decided to post. Theorizing about the tv show plot isn't usually conducive to the game, but here I think it's sort of applicable.

First off, let me say I don't go through all the forums. I have watched most, if not all of the episodes since day 1. I haven't played any of the games, although I started to play the Find815 one but lost interest. I have not read or discussed the episodes in detail or searched for easter eggs, etc. So I am not by any stretch of the imagination a Lost "expert". My takes are purely from my brain processing the episodes I viewed. Since starting this game some players told me I needed to go watch the orientation type films on Youtube, so I did.

This is regarding the "Confirmed Dead" episode. Most people refer to the introductions of the 4 new characters as "flashbacks". I think they are flashFORWARDs....in a weird sense.

Harking to the Dharma reel where the guy tells us that if the numbers of the formula are changed, then the outcome of the future will be changed. The whole "reconstitution" of the Dharma Initiative makes me think the "new recruits" are going back in time to try and change the outcome of the present. If they are successful, where the plane crashes could be different (Faraday crying at seeing the "what viewers thinks is a fake" plane found underwater), the pilot could be different (no ring), etc. And in changing the events, could there not be residual effects that might need to be cleaned up? (Miles' "exorcism" when the picture frames change from dumpy to nice.) I took the pictures changing to be a "physical" confirmation that yes, now that the money is gone (perhaps a footprint from the first time around) things are as they should be with the change. To me the shot of the tattered frame spoke of the reality of this woman struggling to raise a grandson that was in and out of trouble....while the second, nicer grouping of frames told of an easier life. When Miles removed the residue of the first round of time, things changed to what they would be if this woman hadn't had such a struggle.

It seems to me in the storyline the "spiritual world" knows what's going on and is working to that end as well. It would certainly explain the otherwise completely baffling disappearance of Claire.

To me, the whole changing of Ben's logo was a hint at what was coming up...the "reconstitution" of Dharma, and their subsequent travel back in time. Therefore I expect flashes of this type of thing to pop up in this game. I don't think it's a clue from which we need to derive our next move, I think it's more of a directional confirmation.

Does any of this make sense to you guys? Feel free to flog me with trout.....


HOLY CRAP!!!!!

You said that weren't a lost "expert" but that theory sounds way better than anything I've ever heard come from a so called expert on the show. That makes me think a whole lot differently about a ton of things going on with the show. Not to mention the fact that the theory actually seems plausible. Most theories that I have heard (or read) are way out in left field but this one makes a lot of sense. Good thinking Sassy.

Keep the theories and ideas coming. Smile

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Changes in the show hint at the different time lines, definitely! Time and space has been a reoccuring theme in the Lostverse. See Desmond and his out of time/space experiences.

But, as the nice little old lady said, we can't change the future - eventually it always finds a way to kill someone who is suppose to die (so Charlie was always doomed - but nice that Desmond intervened often enough to allow him to get to the underwater station).

TLE and Find815 activities for us online have not had any affect on the show. They've been great background for those of us "in the know" but not necessary to the enjoyment of the TV show. And linear.

I'm looking forward to this attempt (maybe this time I'll actually get through to the end - gave up on both the previous virals).
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Sweet thinkng,Sass and (best) it does clarify Claire's disappearance. Cool
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