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[SKY][SPEC][QUESTION] Who is the double agent/mole?
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Pied Piper
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 		 [SKY][SPEC][QUESTION] Who is the double agent/mole?
I think we must have SOME kind of evidence already on this question.
Okay, I've been trying to figure out how we can figure out the identity of the double agent. I've even wondered if there wasn't one--if, in fact, the real double agent is Poliakov. That would certain explain a few things. Remember that Pat and Dave said that another WOMAN agent was being dispatched to get Wendy. Poliakov never told us that she had dispatched anyone except for Pat and Dave, unless I entirely missed something. So WHY did Pat and Dave think that there was another agent going to Wendy, and that they were in competition with her? Their videos did not seem to me to suggest they saw this female agent as a threat, merely as competition. As far as I can remember, Poliakov only said that she had sent out some trusted agents, but I'm not positive because we can't get to any of Poliakov's previous transmission.

If it is Poliakov herself that we cannot trust, this would explain this little weirdness. She would simply have given us different information than she gave to Pat and Dave.

I'm wondering if I should go over to the Timehole website and send them a message asking exactly what they were told by Poliakov, in the hope that the double agent would not have infiltrated THEM.

If anyone can point me to some evidence that I am wrong in my thinking that Pat and Dave did not know, when they first headed out, that the agent they were trying to beat was actually working for the wrong side, please let me know. I think this may play into how we are going to solve the remainder of this case.

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 		Re: [SKY][SPEC][QUESTION] Who is the double agent/mole?
I think we must have SOME kind of evidence already on this question.
Pied Piper wrote:
Okay, I've been trying to figure out how we can figure out the identity of the double agent. I've even wondered if there wasn't one--if, in fact, the real double agent is Poliakov. That would certain explain a few things. Remember that Pat and Dave said that another WOMAN agent was being dispatched to get Wendy. Poliakov never told us that she had dispatched anyone except for Pat and Dave, unless I entirely missed something.


Actually, Poliakov's exact words were "I am dispatching AN agent to the scene. SHE should be arriving there shortly". Then the next section of game linked to the Pat and Dave video.

I remember this clearly, because I was confused to see P&D in the next sequence, after Poliakov already said she was dispatching a lone female agent. That then tied in with the story when P&D commented on the other agent that was going to beat them. Of course, it turns out that this was a mole, and we never heard anything from the REAL agent - although I'm left wondering why Poliakov never mentioned Pat and Dave's involvement, why she dispatched multiple agents in the first place, and what exactly happened to the real female agent?

Of course, I have no proof of this, because we can't go back and look at the old puzzle responses, but any new players catching up should be able to verify?

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 		I remembered Poliakov saying that it was a woman & thinking that was weird to actually mention that at the time.

With regard to P&D, I think they were following the case & just trying to get there first so they could solve the case & save the day & get their gold badges. I don't think that they were sent there but that they just turned up as it were.
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Jeddiwannabe wrote:
Actually, Poliakov's exact words were "I am dispatching AN agent to the scene. SHE should be arriving there shortly". Then the next section of game linked to the Pat and Dave video.

I remember this clearly, because I was confused to see P&D in the next sequence, after Poliakov already said she was dispatching a lone female agent. That then tied in with the story when P&D commented on the other agent that was going to beat them. Of course, it turns out that this was a mole, and we never heard anything from the REAL agent - although I'm left wondering why Poliakov never mentioned Pat and Dave's involvement, why she dispatched multiple agents in the first place, and what exactly happened to the real female agent?


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I remembered Poliakov saying that it was a woman & thinking that was weird to actually mention that at the time.

With regard to P&D, I think they were following the case & just trying to get there first so they could solve the case & save the day & get their gold badges. I don't think that they were sent there but that they just turned up as it were.


Thank you both for not just verifying, but for bringing up those questions. Like you, Jediwannabe, I think the reason that I (very dimly, obviously, my memory is so bad these days) halfway remembered that the agent was female and that she was going alone was because it was weird to get Pat and Dave's videos after we'd been told that she was sending a woman. And setters393, you bring up a good point. Why did Poliakov specifically mention the agent would be female? That was NOT a necessary bit of information for us to know, and it is weird that it was included.

Like Jediwannabe said, I was also wondering how Pat and Dave knew about the agent being female, but I keep forgetting that Pat and Dave are really supposed to be just schlob agents like us--thanks to setters393 for pointing that out. I always just assume that they are sort of closer to Poliakov than we are because they are characters created by the PMs, but for the sake of the ARG, they're the same, they just can't post here.

So it may be that Poliakov is not just trying to get us to do her dirty work in an attempt to hurt Wendy and Sam as I suggested. Which makes me wonder--why didn't Poliakov just tell us who the double agent is? If we are to believe that all of the audio we've received really does come from Poliakov and that it hasn't been intercepted or doctored by someone else, couldn't she just say, "The agent has been going by the name of Suzie Cutie? I mean, even if the agent mucked about in the files and deleted evidence of herself, Poliakov mentioned that there was a double agent, so why not tell us at least that much and then say, "But she'll probably remove any reference to herself."

And I'm still wondering about that comment by Harry Skinery in that article. It just can't be a coincidence. Of course, it is entirely possible that the PMS did a search for that name on the web because they'd chosen it, found it at that site, and then decided to keep the name since it could serve as a good red herring. They might even have chosen to say that Harry lived in Sri Lanka entirely based on that one reply. That's assuming that the site is legit. I think it is, because there is a lot of material on it so it looks like it would have taken too much time to fake it.

So, how do we go about figuring out who the double agent is, and how to find her or him? And find out what happened to the real agent, unless the real one IS the double agent, and just sent that other woman to get Wendy?

And I'd like to point out that unlike us, Poliakov knows what the agent looks like, since she knew that the woman in the video with Wendy wasn't the right person. So she's at least seen a picture of the real agent. Something else that she could have done then, is to describe the real agent, so we'd have some kind of clue of how to track HER down.

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 		hullo, i was wondering if there was a sort of technology that we could see if poliagov had the same voice as the double agent. it just a thought that poliagov could be the double agent.
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zinc8900 wrote:
hullo, i was wondering if there was a sort of technology that we could see if poliagov had the same voice as the double agent. it just a thought that poliagov could be the double agent.


I don't know if anyone has anything that would do that--I mean the technology is available, but it's usually darned expensive. The other thing is, do we actually have any audio of the woman who kidnapped Wendy with her voice in it? (I can't remember if she spoke or not.) I'm assuming that's who you mean by the double agent.

I wish that Pat and Dave's video actually showed the female agent that Poliakov sent to get Wendy. I don't think they got that, but they did swing the camera around when they were talking to her. Unfortunately, though, that video is one that we haven't been able to download so that we can look at it frame by frame to see if there's something in there we should be able to see.

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Pied Piper wrote:
The other thing is, do we actually have any audio of the woman who kidnapped Wendy with her voice in it? (I can't remember if she spoke or not.) I'm assuming that's who you mean by the double agent.


She did speak, on Wendy's "Final Transmission", so we do have that archived.

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I wish that Pat and Dave's video actually showed the female agent that Poliakov sent to get Wendy. I don't think they got that, but they did swing the camera around when they were talking to her. Unfortunately, though, that video is one that we haven't been able to download so that we can look at it frame by frame to see if there's something in there we should be able to see.


Wait, when were Pat & Dave talking to anybody else? Did I miss a video? Gah! Bang Head
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 		hey, i was watching some pat and dave vids and in ' pat searches for the 6th dimension' he said something about them meeting poliagovs secretary- she had winged glasses? just some thoughts. Razz
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 		oh, one quick question- what are the tree, water, and the sky? they are some kind of mscape things i found in the filing cabinet. Embarassed
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zinc8900 wrote:
oh, one quick question- what are the tree, water, and the sky? they are some kind of mscape things i found in the filing cabinet. Embarassed


To play them, you have to have a PDA equipped with GPS tracking that also runs the Windows OS. If you want to find out more about this, you can visit mscape.com, or see the FAQ from the original website at http://www.theskyremains.com/FAQ.html.

Another thing to look at is the Useful Info post here which includes some of that kind of info. I'll edit that page to include the fact that the original website has information about mscape.

There has been some speculation about what the mscape puzzles are for. My personal speculation on it is that the three mscapes are the "three keys" that are mentioned in a couple of places that we have to unlock before we can open the "gates of cages." But that's just speculation, and I'm not married to it.

IMPORTANT NOTE: As it states in the original FAQ (see link above), you do NOT have to be able to run the mscape scenarios to be able to play the game. That's one reason we collaborate--so that those with mscape can give those of us without it the information from those puzzles. Not to mention the fact that very few of have the kind of dough to be able to travel across the world to find every geocache on our own.

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zinc8900 wrote:
hey, i was watching some pat and dave vids and in ' pat searches for the 6th dimension' he said something about them meeting poliagovs secretary- she had winged glasses? just some thoughts. Razz


Excellent catch! See, *this* is why it is great to have people joining in the middle of the game. You end up seeing things that everyone else misses entirely. Bravo zinc!

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Wait, when were Pat & Dave talking to anybody else? Did I miss a video? Gah! Bang Head


Not to worry. If you didn't catch the videos we're talking about, then you follow the info in this post to watch them.

I'm updating the wiki (will be up in a few minutes) to include info about mscape and a link to instructions on loading the two in-game Pat and Dave videos.

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 		I'm having issues with the accessing the wiki. I tried acessing through the link in the shards page and its telling me it doesn't exist.
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Excellent catch! See, *this* is why it is great to have people joining in the middle of the game. You end up seeing things that everyone else misses entirely. Bravo zinc!

Yes, well done!! I don't remember this vid at all though, so I'm guessing it's one of the "OOG" ones on YouTube (which I haven't seen yet cuz I'm a lazy bum)?

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Not to worry. If you didn't catch the videos we're talking about, then you follow the info in this post to watch them.

Ok, done - still didn't see P & D talking to another agent, though Pat did point off into the distance & say that somebody was coming. Is that what you were talking about?

Off to youtube I go, hiho... Razz

mgelles, I had the wiki bookmarked as http://theskyremains.wikidot.com/ and it's coming up fine for me...
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 		EDIT: I just checked the shards post to which you referred mgelles, and unfortunately, it is a post by natas, who is away for about three more weeks. The actual link for the shards puzzles is http://theskyremains.wikidot.com/shards-keys-puzzle.

If I'm remembering correctly, the link he gives was what he first called that page, and he changed it at some point when he updated it.

In any case, I'm trying to keep the Useful Info post current, so if you can't find links for something anywhere else, check there.

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Pied Piper wrote:
Excellent catch! See, *this* is why it is great to have people joining in the middle of the game. You end up seeing things that everyone else misses entirely. Bravo zinc!

Yes, well done!! I don't remember this vid at all though, so I'm guessing it's one of the "OOG" ones on YouTube (which I haven't seen yet cuz I'm a lazy bum)?


Yes, that is correct. (That it is on YouTube that is--I seriously doubt that you are a lazy bum.) If you ever need to find links to videos and can't remember where they are, you can always access the "Useful Information" post (or what I call the Sky sticky) here. If that link ever gives you problems, then just head back out to the "CF With Potential" thread, and look right up at the top, as it is, for now at least, a sticky post up with SpaceBass's "Posting Guidelines." The videos that natas was able to capture, including those, are also available on the wiki.

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I'm having issues with the accessing the wiki. I tried acessing through the link in the shards page and its telling me it doesn't exist.
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Thank you for the heads up. I'll check out that link and see if I can fix it. For now, petunia (thank you!) gave the correct URL.

And what I meant I was updating is the useful information post here on unfiction. Which I was in the middle of doing when my browser crashed the dratted thing. And then the network went down (grrr..)

I'll try to get both sticky and wiki updated as soon as I can.

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 		Embarassed wow, to be congradulated by the really good ones, thats pretty awesome, thank you! but dude, youre not a lazy bum, trust me. but im going to check some things real quick, and ill update!

EDIT: well, im done checking, and after a bit, i paused and zoomed in on the double agents glasses- they had small black wings. Wink
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