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baser5nature
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 		I don't think tyler's dead, I think Tim is Dead, Ethan had this staged to protect her from carlyal

Anyone have any thoughts on how nicole really got into this? She was walking past the sign, recognised old colleagues, then in the next episode she's rivo yocar?

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 		I got grindboy's version as well. No password yet.

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baser5nature wrote:
I don't think tyler's dead, I think Tim is Dead, Ethan had this staged to protect her from carlyal

Anyone have any thoughts on how nicole really got into this? She was walking past the sign, recognised old colleagues, then in the next episode she's rivo yocar?


I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to here.

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 		Hot off the press!!
I woke up and have just cheacked my inbox and i got a reply from mr zacheepoo and the email said this:

Dear XXXX,
I did receive a package, which a number of people seem to be very interested in. I have been offering what little help I can to these interested parties, but unfortunately, the package really only contained a few unreadable documents and an old machine. I just scanned this one in, and I've sent it off to some friends who might be able to translate. Do you have any idea? This is a personal matter, as the package does come from a recently deceased friend, so I would appreciate your discretion in this matter.

Zachary Bremmen

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:47 AM, <laugh> wrote:

Hi Zach, my name is XXXX and i want to help you out in your situation.

The package you got from daniels, what exactly did it contain, if you cant tell me directly then thats fine. have you had any contact from anyone else as i know people want to help you and will do so as much as you help them. we all collaborate together so we all know whats going on. Tim daniels death along with tyler is a loss but the key is to help us and send us in the right direction, we can only work out what you give us to use, no matter how small it might be, everything is significant.

this might be out of the blue but many people are dangerous at the moment and you can trust no one as they will watch everything you do, sometimes we need to take a hint from someone to get things better but we have to sink to a new low and repent for our past.

Some advice from me, you must survive no matter what otherwise things will become pointles.


yours, XXXX

now i also got something with it that will help us as it needs to be translated!!:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/Colmy_DD/item4.jpg

I URL'd it because the spoiler thing didnt work to well and so now if it could be translated that be good, i downloaded it and tried uncamo but i got nothing.

If someone can translat it that be great.


I responded to Zach with this:

RE: What are your thoughts???‏
Sent: 16 September 2008 11:44:54
To: Zachary Bremmen (zacharybremmenSPLATgmail.com)
Attachments: 1384946_b...jpg (38.0 KB)
Dear Zach,

I appreciate how you are trusting people who might be able to help you in your concerns, if you wish to share anything else then i commend you as we understand the position you are in. It might be an idea for us to contact nicole as im sure you are concerned at any danger she might be in and how we might be able to help her, we know that she was close to tyler so it is possible she is in greater danger as she might have found something from tyler and use it to her advantage, she might be your ally but can you know for certain. I will attatch a picture i have that i like to look at when im down or in danger, it helps me through things, i become extremely RELAXED by it and so it helps me reveal the problems i have and find anything that might be hidden from me like secrets, If you want to be RELAXED like me then look at the picture by yourself and it might reveal somethings about your situation and help you. If you have a picture that makes you feel RELAXED or something else like that then send it to me but tell me the emotion you feel so i can possible fell it and empathise with unlocking the solution.

Yours XXXX.

An i attached a camomed picture whith this message inside it:

To Zach,

If you have found this word document then you have uncamoeflaged the image with the password RELAXED, this is a good way for us to talk freely without anyone seeing the messages. You are in a great amount of danger as Tim sent you a package but I have a theory that Nicole and carlyal will use you to get to Ethan, just like tyler. As you saw with tim, they are ruthless and so what I need you to do for me is to Tell us where you would hide and is a safe place for you as you need to try and help the group im with to take down this corporation and stop the group from getting the identities. You need to keep this under wraps between you and myself as Carlyal group are watching your every move, minise the amount of stuff you send and how you say it as if they read what you say, they will kill you. What I need you to do is to get us a contact with Nicole so we can work out what she will do, we need to moniter her otherwise we might lose you.

I have a skype account and so you can contact me on there, My User is XXXXXX and I need to to send me an e mail with a time you want to talk in your time and GMT as I live in the UK and so I will tell you if it is ok to talk. It is vital that you do this as if things continue the way they do it will be game over for all of us.

I hope you are okay and can responded in the same way to me, id appreciate it greatly.

Yours Sean

P.S. don't tell anyone about this, once you have responded delete everything as they will find it!!.

And here was the picture:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/Colmy_DD/1384946_b71a13aad1_m.jpg


Hope this all helps, maybe this is the type of interaction that the PM's want, if so we will find out in the next episode whether this is what they wanted!! I hope it is because it means we can decide the outcome and bring back tyler!!! XD

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 		Colmy,

I have a partial translation, a short summary actually. I'll keep trying for a word by word translation.

They're letters from someone named Lee Sseun and Sseon.
Lee Sseun is asking about a thing (a project) that Sseon is working on and said that his friends like the goods.
Sseon said that the technology are all alright and he only needs an okay sign from Lee Sseun.

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Colmy_DD
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 		the joys of skype.
I have just got a full translation and will now post the skype convosation i hade with a nice korean man who translated it for me.

[12:36:32] Colmy_DD says: hi, i need someone who can translate some korean for me into english, can you help please??

[12:55:21] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: hII..

[12:55:22] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: ok.

[12:55:29] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: gO AHEAD..

[12:55:42] Colmy_DD says: ill send you the file okay

[12:56:08] Colmy_DD says: it wont let me send it so ill give you a URL

[12:56:21] Colmy_DD says: http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/Colmy_DD/item4.jpg

[12:57:01] Colmy_DD says: This is all part of a game im involed with so anything said on it is all in game

[12:59:47] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: Hmmm..

[13:00:26] Colmy_DD says: it is korean may i ask??

[13:01:20] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: "So far my friends like your product. But, we are not sure as you told about "BBack door".

[13:02:38] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: We want to know if this technology may prepared to allow to access the exact information what we need.

[13:03:34] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: I won't say again how it much it is important.

[13:04:31] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: After then, we will wire you the rest fund of your project..

[13:06:19] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: "Please make your friends feel comfortable and telling them as all is clompletely ready now.

[13:06:36] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: The babck door is exists already.

[13:06:47] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: I can assure it.

[13:07:29] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: The technology is ready already whenever you can use.

[13:07:50] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: The only thing is an OK sign from your side..

[13:07:52] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: That's all

[13:08:33] Colmy_DD says: thank you, what are the time and dates on the messages and is there any anmes or anything on its as this means its two seperate messages.

[13:09:41] Colmy_DD says: and also you put BBack door, that wasnt you pressing B twice by accident as thats how it translated to?

[13:10:17] Colmy_DD says: anmes is names, i spelt it wrone, sorry

[13:10:19] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: Sorry... I'm making my report to my boss..

[13:10:42] Colmy_DD says: are you busy at the moment then??

[13:11:06] (Hi) I'm Korean... says: I'm busy nor... sorry...

[13:12:13] Colmy_DD says: no that okay, thank you for the help you have given, just this game is called Deleted and is an alternate reality game and this was a clue. thank you for all your help, it is greatly appreciated


So we have a name and what the two messages are about, i might edit the post after reading this some more but the fact that this refers to Ethans technology and also a BBack door make me think that we might want to cantact ethan soon also i tried BBack as a pass for the messages in the C35 but it didnt work, something makes me think that there is 1 or 2 more parts of the package yet to be revealed!!

EDIT::

I tried the names in the c35 and the failed, googling those names does nothing either, we need to find a pass to get the message, maybe we need to contact zach again.

Edit::

This is a message i sent to Zach and hopefully we will get somewhere!!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):


To Zach,

I know ive contacted you already today but with some developments from the message i need to to answer me some questions.
Did daniels leave a 6 letter word anywhere, no matter how stupid it might sound as I might need it to do something and also who is Lee Sseun and Sseon?? what relation do they have to Everything as infomation is valuable. Help us help you by answering use these things, i know i sound demanding but we need to find out everything quickly as time is not on our side.

yours, XXXX



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 		ugh... sooooo many spoilers! Are these solves/answers to puzzles? if not, no need to spoiler. At best, as long as stuff like that is noted, that's fine. Especially letters and messages and interactions. A quote should suffice. Let's try to save spoiler tags for answers and plot twists people may not want to even glance at accidentally. Wink seeing all these enormous blocks of red is hurting to teh eyes =)
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 		sorry about that, i removed them now!!

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 		The information seems to be spread amongst the players.

Lual got the photo of the Hagelin C-38 cipher machine.
Grindboy and me got one page of coded text.
Lual got a different, much longer text.
Colmy got the Korean messages.

Seems like the PM's are listening to us saying we like group efforts in ARGs.

So, anyone out there who received the keyword? Laughing

It's like a puzzle with some pieces missing, and even though you can just make out what it's supposed to be, it's still right out of your grasp.

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 		Contact!!
hopefully zach will contact someone with the keyword as you read in the last message i sent him, i asked about it, i think we need to ask ethan about this back door as well, seems all the characters are coming into play again!!

EDIT::

Quote:

Ethan, daniels left a package with Zach and it talks about a BBack door in the program, can you tell us details about the program and if such a thing exists in your program or if it refers to daniels venture.

Yours XXXX.


This is a message i wrote to ethan asking about his program. i hope he responds. he has facebook on his mobile so there is a good chance i think of that happening.

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 		I received the same document as lual. But I'm not gonna re-post it obviously! Its long!

I was thinking yesterday of re-contacting Sarah Green/Josephine the journalist...She was interested in Tim/Rivo's story. She might be interested in Tyler's death. I never got her to respond to me though. I think someone here did though.

Whomever that is...do you still have contact info and do you think it would be prudent to contact her again. Maybe she can drop a password she was an investigative journalist and interested in Carlyal. Maybe she would know something about Tim's Carlyal documents.

Otherwise I don't know where to find a password. Maybe the puzzle is in Zach's blog entry, but I can't find any 'first letter' puzzles or caps...or anything in the source code. I'll give another crack at de-camo on that picture. But I can't even guess that password either! Bleh!

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 		Colmy, have you told Zach the contents of the Korean message? If Secureidguard's security has a back door and Carlyal find out about it they won't need Ethan, Zach, Nicole anyone any more. And we've seen what happens to people when they're no longer useful.
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 		Zach replied to my mentioning the back door:

Quote:
The back door into Desidtech is what everyone has been searching for. Ethan has never shown anyone where it is, and that is why he has become such a useful commodity. If you find anything out about its whereabouts or how to enter once the address is found, I suggest you tell me, as Carlyal will continue searching for Ethan until they break into the site. I know that you don't trust me, and I have no particular reason to trust you, but Carlyal might be willing to bargain if we can garauntee them the information that they want.


I also informed Josephine Cobdan (Sarah Green) about what's happened:

Quote:
My God, I had not heard. First Rivo and now Tim. It's happening all over again. I wish now that I had investigated deeper into Rivo's accident. I've heard of SecureIdGuard and Desidtech, but didn't know Tim was so involved.
I wish I had information to give you, but this is news to me. I'll contact my friends at Homicide and try to find out something about the murder. What are these files? Can you get them to me? Let me know if I can be of help.


Also acquired a more sensible translation of the Korean text:

Quote:

From: Eesseun
To: Sseon

Until now my friends are liking your products. But they still have some doubt points they're not too sure about, concerning that "back door" technology you talked about. They're telling you to let us know if you can prepare access allowing us to get accurate information we need. I want the importance of this part to be clear. Afterwards please make sure you give back the remaining funds for this project.

Eesseun

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From: Sseon
To: Eesseun

Please make your friends relax, everything is ready. "Back door" already exists. I guarantee it. We are prepared to use the technology anytime. Whenever we get an okay sign from you.

Sseon



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 		What the <beep>?!

Quote:
Dear Johnny,
You've just confirmed my worst suspicions. Very few people know about this backdoor, and only one person has the ability to make it work. I don't know how this translated from Korean, but Sseon is someone that we both know: Ethan.

Zach


I have no idea how to reply to this. Any advice?

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 		Zach...
Quote:
from z‏
From: none anonymous (na601589SPLATgmail.com)
Medium riskYou may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe
Sent: 17 September 2008 17:07:55

I found your message within the image. This is the only way that I can think of to communicate securely. I am positive that my computers at work and at home are recording every keystroke, and that my email accounts are being watched closely. I've ducked into a copy shop, and am writing from a computer there, using a prepaid gift card. I will not be able to check this account often, as I am being followed, but I will watch for your correspondence.

I've received the translation of the Korean document from a friend. I have no doubt that the back door referred to is the one Ethan set up to control Desidtech. This is what he has been hiding from Carlyal, and what they will do anything to find. But what I also realized, confirming my worst suspicions, was that the Sseon in the emails was none other than Ethan. We have to figure out what those other documents say if we hope to clear his name.



his is the responce from Zach to me so i have a feeling that Ethans backdoor will be the key to deciphering the messages from daniel as i bet you anything that Nicole was already in the loop before hand as we have to consider this as in the trailer it seemed that ethan had more info for nicole. thing is i must be on the carlyal site also i translated the number in the address to letters and nothing came of it for the messages. Can we also check for spelling errors as i think suspicions is spelt wrong and also somehow i think the whole friends thing is coming into play again. i think the next thing to do is to try and aquire info on the program and maybe even the program itself. if someone else has leads else where regarding the messafe encrypter that people got roe secureID then maybe that might help somewhere.!!

C

Edit::

i responded with this, i hope he gets the hint to camoflage inportant info!!:

Quote:


Mr. Z,

i am enquirering about the program you were advertising your product using and wondered whether i could have a sample copy of the program or any specifications or information you can give me about the program. Also i have queries about the a package you may have been sent and would like to know if anything else is within the package that you might have missed, i am sorry to be blunt about the issue but i am investigating the matter for a client of mine and they have requested that i ask you specific questions and contact you asap as it regaurds the safty of a sum of people.

You might feel at risk but do not worry, this matter is confidential, i will send you another message tommorrow to enquire more, The client is a certain group who have found use of my sevices, this is important the co operation you provide, as i said i migh tbe being blunt but you must consider the urgency of the matter. They want to be aware of your presence but i wish to feel how you are and what emotions might be associated with anything you see. Your communication is vital, i am your ally here, Traps have been set to catch out the bad people, if you co operate we can prove your innocents and put the bad people away as they may not be who they seem to be, trust me, it is better to see and feel then tell someone about this and co operate then it is to be forgotten by those who care about you. This message is not what you may think it is, what you must do is understand that Eyes and ears keep watch but still miss the invicible, contact me as i have told you as it is the only wway you might survive.

Yours, Mr. S



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