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[Email] James Mutters - 26 June 2008
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Canzonett
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 		So - has anyone (Soda?) already played an edited version of the message back onto the mailbox (which version) - or not? Looking at Eli's answer, I am a little worried that just sound-editing it is the right way to react to this ...

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Urgent request from James:
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Has someone left a replacement message? I'm a little nervous! What's the plan?


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 		I had Smile It's already left, I use the one Khaos had edit and everything. So It's safe and James is safe.

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 		Good - this will do for the moment. I am a little worried because Khaos only edited information concerning the ring's former location, so I guess it will be quite easy for Theo to reconstruct the ring's actual path once its loss has been noticed. But the most important thing is that the message is back on the voicemail box.

Not let's wait and see what _june and mr.judkins will find out on Tuesday!

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 		Yeah can't wait to see Smile

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 		me thinks i will keep calling in till things start moving "Foily!"

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 		In the leadup to today's planned interception, I dropped Eli an email to run our Gallery choice past him. I linked him to Ariock's Google map we've been working with, and this was his reply:

Eli Hunt wrote:
How very clever -- of both the counter-agonothetai to devise this public cahcing scheme, and of course for the agonothetai to have intercepted and deciphered it!

I have gone through your solution and it appears solid to me in most respects.

However, the natural labyrinth design shown on the left of the map seems to me to be a more likely pattern for the actual labyrinth starting at the former tattoo museum. That is to say, it seems likely they are using labyrinth patterns on top of maps, or perhaps even satellite images, rather than tracing labyrinth patterns in the street -- thus allowing the counter-agonothetai to use more classical labyrinth designs and not be concerned with particular streets. I have reached this conclusion because it seems more possible to replicate according to the instructions. Using the streets, there seems much more room for error -- unlikely that the counter-agonthetai would leave such an important mission open to multiple interpretations of street patterns.

Therefore, it seems that while your solution is almost certainly quite close, perhaps you should be prepared to do a thorough investigation of other locations nearby. The ring should be in plain sight on display, as the message suggests.

I can't be certain, but my mapping of a traditional labyrinth pattern (instead of a street pattern) at that size, at a bearing of 12 Zeus lands the center just slightly eastward of your solution.

I will eagerly await news of your mission.

Sincerely yours,

Eli Hunt


We'll have a look at his suggestions ourselves - but what do others think? We're thinking it may even be easier to draw it by hand on a paper map. Other than that, I may just have to get off work earlier and scope out the whole general area. We're close - but we'll see whether we're bang on...

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 		Well, "slightly eastward" could be Ariock's original guess, Offbeat Originals.

I like Te Aro Park because it is outdoors and I feel like it could be outdoors, but it isn't a gallery. Sad

Also, the Museum of New Zealand - Te Papa Tongarewa‎ is appealing, though too far away, I suppose.
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hmrpita wrote:
Well, "slightly eastward" could be Ariock's original guess, Offbeat Originals.

I like Te Aro Park because it is outdoors and I feel like it could be outdoors, but it isn't a gallery. Sad

Also, the Museum of New Zealand - Te Papa Tongarewa‎ is appealing, though too far away, I suppose.


Someone in IRC a day or so ago mentioned that an outdoor mall-area could also be referred to as a "gallery."
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ariock wrote:
hmrpita wrote:
Well, "slightly eastward" could be Ariock's original guess, Offbeat Originals.

I like Te Aro Park because it is outdoors and I feel like it could be outdoors, but it isn't a gallery. Sad

Also, the Museum of New Zealand - Te Papa Tongarewa‎ is appealing, though too far away, I suppose.


Someone in IRC a day or so ago mentioned that an outdoor mall-area could also be referred to as a "gallery."


I tried that today in IRC and I got nowhere with my theory. Sad
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 		Anyway - GOOD LUCK, team Wellington!!! The entire planet's fate rests upon your shoulders. Agonothetai and pseudo-theorists all around the globe are breathlessly awaiting the results of your mission. You can do it. You will do it. Go and get the ring. Very Happy

Or, to quote from Eli's latest mail:
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I have been in touch with Team Wellington and am on pins and needles myself, frankly, waiting for word of their attempted recovery!


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 		Thanks! Very Happy

As to the fate of the parts of the "Sixth Ring", _june and I just got an email from James:

James Mutters wrote:
I just wanted to wish you luck in your mission today!

I hope it all goes well. Two things: Be sure and take pictures (or better yet, video!). And if you can get the ring from the keeper, ask for any packaging... Kai and I have been talking and based on the 27th chapter of the codex, it may make sense to gather all the rings in one location (Kai will foot the bill for shipping, of course Wink

GOOD LUCK!

-James


And having another look, I think Pita may be right about Ariock having been right about Offbeat Originals... will give them a call to test the waters as soon as I get a chance...

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mr.judkins wrote:
James Mutters wrote:
...based on the 27th chapter of the codex, it may make sense to gather all the rings in one location...

ONE location?!?! The obvious choice is MY house. Very Happy
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 		I'm pretty damn sure we've got it - Pop Up Gallery, 57 Ghuznee St - as per the peg on Ariock's map - pretty much due East of the Mark Hutchins.

I called and asked if they had an unusual object to be collected today.

"Um... yeah, we've got something in". was the reply.

They close at 5pm - so we're going to have to try and bring our pickup plans forward!

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mr.judkins wrote:
I'm pretty damn sure we've got it - Pop Up Gallery, 57 Ghuznee St - as per the peg on Ariock's map - pretty much due East of the Mark Hutchins.

I called and asked if they had an unusual object to be collected today.

"Um... yeah, we've got something in". was the reply.

They close at 5pm - so we're going to have to try and bring our pickup plans forward!

Good luck! WOOOOO! This is so cool! Very Happy
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 		Because this thread has been splitted up to a new one dealing with the second ring, I just copy the last posts belonging to this thread back to here, else my last question gets propably lost Smile

AUZ505 wrote:
mr.judkins wrote:
In the leadup to today's planned interception, I dropped Eli an email to run our Gallery choice past him. I linked him to Ariock's Google map we've been working with, and this was his reply:

Eli Hunt wrote:
How very clever -- of both the counter-agonothetai to devise this public cahcing scheme, and of course for the agonothetai to have intercepted and deciphered it!

I have gone through your solution and it appears solid to me in most respects.

However, the natural labyrinth design shown on the left of the map seems to me to be a more likely pattern for the actual labyrinth starting at the former tattoo museum. That is to say, it seems likely they are using labyrinth patterns on top of maps, or perhaps even satellite images, rather than tracing labyrinth patterns in the street -- thus allowing the counter-agonothetai to use more classical labyrinth designs and not be concerned with particular streets. I have reached this conclusion because it seems more possible to replicate according to the instructions. Using the streets, there seems much more room for error -- unlikely that the counter-agonthetai would leave such an important mission open to multiple interpretations of street patterns.

Therefore, it seems that while your solution is almost certainly quite close, perhaps you should be prepared to do a thorough investigation of other locations nearby. The ring should be in plain sight on display, as the message suggests.

I can't be certain, but my mapping of a traditional labyrinth pattern (instead of a street pattern) at that size, at a bearing of 12 Zeus lands the center just slightly eastward of your solution.

I will eagerly await news of your mission.

Sincerely yours,

Eli Hunt


We'll have a look at his suggestions ourselves - but what do others think? We're thinking it may even be easier to draw it by hand on a paper map. Other than that, I may just have to get off work earlier and scope out the whole general area. We're close - but we'll see whether we're bang on...


I know we are already solving the second message. But here a picture of what Eli probably meant with classical design. Could be important for the next messages how to find the center.

[EDIT] green pin in centre: Pop Up Gallery; lower blue bubble at labyrinth entrance: Tattoo Museum


ariock wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
I know we are already solving the second message. But here a picture of what Eli probably meant with classical design. Could be important for the next messages how to find the center.

[EDIT] green pin in centre: Pop Up Gallery; lower blue bubble at labyrinth entrance: Tattoo Museum


Your drawing is probably right. The only problem with that is that the message said that the "cross" is located along that Zeus line. In other words, you'd still have to rotate the classical labyrinth design to the left a few degrees til the cross intersected the line. At that point, the final destination will be near the Mark Hutchins Gallery.


danteIL wrote:
ariock wrote:
Your drawing is probably right. The only problem with that is that the message said that the "cross" is located along that Zeus line. In other words, you'd still have to rotate the classical labyrinth design to the left a few degrees til the cross intersected the line. At that point, the final destination will be near the Mark Hutchins Gallery.


Very nice map AUZ505!

If the labyrinth is shifted directly west so that the cross is along the indicated Zeus axis, wouldn't the actual starting point for the labyrinth 'wall' be right on the green pin?


AUZ505 wrote:
ariock wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
I know we are already solving the second message. But here a picture of what Eli probably meant with classical design. Could be important for the next messages how to find the center.

[EDIT] green pin in centre: Pop Up Gallery; lower blue bubble at labyrinth entrance: Tattoo Museum


Your drawing is probably right. The only problem with that is that the message said that the "cross" is located along that Zeus line. In other words, you'd still have to rotate the classical labyrinth design to the left a few degrees til the cross intersected the line. At that point, the final destination will be near the Mark Hutchins Gallery.


From where is the information that the cross should be along the Zeus line? I can't find it in Eli's message. For me the "Zeus line" is just a information how much the labyrinth has to be turned and the center is where the green pin is.


And here my drawing we are discussing about:
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