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[Email] James Mutters - 30 June 2008
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sapagoo
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i tried to make a phonetic transcript... and have determined that I suck.
http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Find_The_Second_Ring
Other than the words I recognize like omphalos, stadia, I see some repeated phrases.
We are trying to match up my transcript to the two translations above, to see what we still need.

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On a recommandation from Mr. Azarian, from the Tebrotzassere Armenian school, I called the following :

- INALCO, institute for learning of eurasian languages. Waiting on news from the head of the department.
- the Armenian Library in Paris. No one picked up the phone.
- the Institute for Armenian studies. No one picked the phone.

Fingers crossed !
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Here is what I've sent to people I've asked to translate:

Ariock wrote:
here is a link to the audio file:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/files/message2_1214933960.mp3

This is the second message like this we've had to translate. The first was in Dutch and English. The transcript for that was:

"This is Theo agent Dewaldewaard with a report about the transport of La Sesa Ringo, ring number one. The former location of number One was 35,402 stadia in the direction of Hestia 12 from Omphalos number 8. From there, I have shifted the ring 13,550 stadia in the direction of Hestia 7.8. From next Tuesday the ring will be hidden in clear daylight in a galery in the center of a three circuit left-running labyrinth with a width of 5.51 stadia, where the entrance of the labyrinth falls together with the Tattoo Museum and the cross (??) of the labyrinth is located under a corner* of Zeus 12. In order to get hold of the ring, you have to give the ringkeeper a password."

The game is sponsored by the olympics, and is called "The Lost Ring." The Olympic symbol is 5 rings, and we are trying to find the sixth (La Sesa Ringo).
There is a mix of ancient Greek myths in the instructions that might make for some confusion.

The Omphalos was historically a large meteorite at the Oracle of Delphi that was supposedly used as a waypoint for travellers. There is a navigation method using "Stadia" (185 meters=1 stadia) and directions that are based either on signs of the zodiac or Greek gods.

Also, check out:
http://www.thelostring.com
For a trailer for the game and
http://www.thelostgames.com/3/podcast.do
for a description of the "Omphalos Code" part of the game.
In the last set of directions, we started at a location that we know as part of the game "Omphalos 8," which is supposedly located at Da Lat, Vietnam. Then jumped to Brisbane (35,402 stadia @ Hestia 12), and then to Welllington, NZ (13,550 stadia @ Hestia 7.8 ). The ring was found, and here is a photo:
http://judkins.smugmug.com/photos/323296378_MN8fL-M.jpg

Anyway, any help you can provide would help us a lot.

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Meanwhile, I'm trying to find the 2nd ring with what we've got.

Assumptions from the translations:
Omphalos 3
8644 Stadia (unknown direction) to first stop.
2176 Stadia Ares 12 to second stop.

Osaka, Japan is 8644 Stadia from Dongying (omphalos 3)
Tokyo is 2176 Stadia Ares 12 from Osaka.

Tokyo has a National Science Museum.

I want to
1 - calculate direction from dongying to Osaka.
2 - overlay a 26 stadia labyrinth on top of Tokyo, where the opening starts at the National Science Musuem, in the direction of Aphrodite.

EDIT - Dongying to Osaka is Artemis 11.
The translation has the 11. And I think I hear Artemis.


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Since we need to swap out voice mails...
I used Audacity to swap some numbers and directions.

The current voice mail says
Start from omphalos 3.
Go 8644 stadia in the direction of Artemis 11
Then 2176 stadia ares 12 to the Ring.
Make your labyrinth in the direction of Aphrodite.

I changed it to read

Start from omphalos 12.
Go 8644 stadia in the direction of Aphrodite 21.
Then 1176 stadia ares 3 to the Ring.
Make your labyrinth in the direction of Artemis.

I think.

Which should start them at parapare (or blois), and then send them west instead of east.

PS. Can someone else upload this to the voice mail?
PPS. And ask James to delete the original?

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Mrs Donabedian replied, with a complete and quite accurate translation !

Mrs Donabedian wrote:
... l'ancien emplacement de l'anneau n°2 stade 86,44, position Artemis 11 du point de vue de l'omphalos n°3
Je l'ai déplacé de là vers l'anneau stade 51,76 à la position Aris 12.
L'anneau a aujourd'hui été restitué/rendu/retourné avec succès depuis la (ou "vers là" enregistrement mauvais, mais plus probable "depuis") 7° position vers le point culminant du sentier le plus extérieur de "Zakynthos?? Hakynthos??". Au premier tournant à gauche, 26,183 stades de largeur d'un bout à l'autre, là où se trouve l'entrée du labyrinthe, et aussi le Musée des Sciences Nationales, tout comme l'entrée du labytynthe du point de vue Aphrodite n°5 .
Quand vous finirez, avant de faire le pas suivant, avant de transmettre l'anneau, il faut donner à son propriétaire le mot de passe.
en anglais :
Dites au gardien de l'anneau le nom de la septième femme du mari de la mère du soleil du gagnant des deux ?????? olympiades


Mrs Donabedian - English version wrote:

The former location of ring number 2 stadia 86,44, position Artemis 11 from the point of view of Omphalos n°3.
I moved it from there to the ring (?) stadia 51,76 position Aris 12.
The ring has today been restituted/given back/returned from the 7th position towards the highest point of the outmost path of the (Zakynthos ? Hakynthos ?). At the first turn on the left, 26,183 stadias wide from one end to the other, there were the entrance to the labyrinth is, and also the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences, as well as the entrance of the labyrinth from the point of view of Aphrodite (n° ?) 5.
When you're done, befor taking the next step, before giving the ring, you must give its owner (keeper ?) the password.

And from there, the message continues in English.
Tell the keeper of the ring the name of the 7th wife of the husband of the mother of the sun of the winner of the two ??? Olympiads.


A big thank you goes to this lady and her team for confirming Sap's theories as well as providing us with a complete translation !

EDIT : More precisions, following requests for more information from Sapagoo !

Mrs Donabedian - English version wrote:
"He never pronounces hundreds, thousands, or commas - he pronounces the numbers in paris : 86 then 44, 21 then 76 - but he does say there is a comma between 21 and 183".

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Thomas Bookmore wrote:
Mrs Donabedian replied, with a complete and quite accurate translation !

Mrs Donabedian wrote:
... l'ancien emplacement de l'anneau n°2 stade 86,44, position Artemis 11 du point de vue de l'omphalos n°3
Je l'ai déplacé de là vers l'anneau stade 51,76 à la position Aris 12.
L'anneau a aujourd'hui été restitué/rendu/retourné avec succès depuis la (ou "vers là" enregistrement mauvais, mais plus probable "depuis") 7° position vers le point culminant du sentier le plus extérieur de "Zakynthos?? Hakynthos??". Au premier tournant à gauche, 26,183 stades de largeur d'un bout à l'autre, là où se trouve l'entrée du labyrinthe, et aussi le Musée des Sciences Nationales, tout comme l'entrée du labytynthe du point de vue Aphrodite n°5 .
Quand vous finirez, avant de faire le pas suivant, avant de transmettre l'anneau, il faut donner à son propriétaire le mot de passe.
en anglais :
Dites au gardien de l'anneau le nom de la septième femme du mari de la mère du soleil du gagnant des deux ?????? olympiades


Mrs Donabedian - English version wrote:

The former location of ring number 2 stadia 86,44, position Artemis 11 from the point of view of Omphalos n°3.
I moved it from there to the ring (?) stadia 51,76 position Aris 12.
The ring has today been restituted/given back/returned from the 7th position towards the highest point of the outmost path of the (Zakynthos ? Hakynthos ?). At the first turn on the left, 26,183 stadias wide from one end to the other, there were the entrance to the labyrinth is, and also the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences, as well as the entrance of the labyrinth from the point of view of Aphrodite (n° ?) 5.
When you're done, befor taking the next step, before giving the ring, you must give its owner (keeper ?) the password.

And from there, the message continues in English.
Tell the keeper of the ring the name of the 7th wife of the husband of the mother of the sun of the winner of the two ??? Olympiads.


A big thank you goes to this lady and her team for confirming Sap's theories as well as providing us with a complete translation !

EDIT : More precisions, following requests for more information from Sapagoo !

Mrs Donabedian - English version wrote:
"He never pronounces hundreds, thousands, or commas - he pronounces the numbers in paris : 86 then 44, 21 then 76 - but he does say there is a comma between 21 and 183".


First many thanks to Mrs. Donebedian.

But the two quotes are confusing:
First quote: "86,44"
Second quote: "86 then 44" --> Fine

First quote: "51,76"
Second quote "21 then 76" --> Confused

First quote: "26,183"
Second quote: "21 and 183" --> Confused
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Sapagoo had it basically figured out. The numbers should be 8644 stadia, 2176 stadia and 21.183 stadia. (It would be like saying "eighty-six forty-four" which sounds like 86 comma 44)

So, if you start in Dongying (Omphalos #3) and travel 8644 stadia Artemis 11, you end up near Osaka. Then, if you go 2176 stadia Ares 12, you end up in Tokyo.

As Sapagoo pointed out, Tokyo has a National Science Museum. The entrance is located at 35.716461N, 139.776226E

So it sounds like we need a 7-circuit labyrinth that is 26.183 stadia wide at that location. [EDIT: oops, I just noticed the 21/26 discrepancy. Hrm.]

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Hi evryone, I live far from Tokyo, but today again, I'll go to Tokyo on a business trip, but I'm not available in the daytime, so I'll ask people in Noriko's forum. There seem several galleries around the point suggested by Ariock, e.g. Ayumi Gallery etc.

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In the meantime I tried to figure out the location of the national museum of science.

Unfortunatley there are several museums in Tokyo dedicated to science:
National Museum of Nature and Science
National Museum of Emerging Science and Innovation
Science Museum
Museum of Maritime Science

But I guess No 1 is the correct on ( link ), which is located near Uena Park: 7-20 Ueno Park, Taito-ku, Tokyo 110-8718

After some research I found this map:
http://www.japan-hopper.com/ws/1/2/2589/info.html

(you can also click on links to see the other museum locations)

Quote:

The ring has today been restituted/given back/returned from the 7th position towards the highest point of the outmost path of the (Zakynthos ? Hakynthos ?). At the first turn on the left, 26,183 stadias wide from one end to the other, there were the entrance to the labyrinth is, and also the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences, as well as the entrance of the labyrinth from the point of view of Aphrodite (n° ?) 5.


So we know the position of the labyrinth entrance, the diameter (26.183 stadia) and the angle (Aphrodite 5).
I assume this time it is a 7 circuit labyrinth (or do I misinterpret "7th position"?)
But where exactly is the target - again at the center? And what should we look for? Again a gallery? Why?
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AUZ505 wrote:
In the meantime I tried to figure out the location of the national museum of science.

Unfortunatley there are several museums in Tokyo dedicated to science:
National Museum of Nature and Science
National Museum of Emerging Science and Innovation
Science Museum
Museum of Maritime Science

But I guess No 1 is the correct on ( link ), which is located near Uena Park: 7-20 Ueno Park, Taito-ku, Tokyo 110-8718

After some research I found this map:
http://www.japan-hopper.com/ws/1/2/2589/info.html

(you can also click on links to see the other museum locations)

Quote:

The ring has today been restituted/given back/returned from the 7th position towards the highest point of the outmost path of the (Zakynthos ? Hakynthos ?). At the first turn on the left, 26,183 stadias wide from one end to the other, there were the entrance to the labyrinth is, and also the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences, as well as the entrance of the labyrinth from the point of view of Aphrodite (n° ?) 5.


So we know the position of the labyrinth entrance, the diameter (26.183 stadia) and the angle (Aphrodite 5).
I assume this time it is a 7 circuit labyrinth (or do I misinterpret "7th position"?)
But where exactly is the target - again at the center? And what should we look for? Again a gallery? Why?


Highest point could mean the furthest point. Highest could mean literally the highest elevation.

This is a map I've started:
http://tinyurl.com/6g7dbd
It's open for editing.
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Thanks, Ariok, for the map. So I did not have to figure out the´width and direction.

I tried to put a 7-circuit into your map (unfortunately I do not know how to make this directly in a fast way in Google Maps).

I assumed that the Entrance is "At the first turn on the left" like written in the message. Still do not know where the location can be.

BTW. I do not understand your assumption about possible locations.
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ariock wrote:
This is a map I've started:
http://tinyurl.com/6g7dbd
It's open for editing.

Hi, everyone, I went to the three "Approximate Destination" in ariock's map, and spent one hour and a half, but I couldn't find the ring. At the green pin, there's a gallery named Ayumi gallary, and I talked with the lady inside, but no metal ring. Around the point there are several galleries (they call them galleries but most of them sell china or accessaries), and I visited them, but I couldn't find ring. At the blue and red pins, I couldn't find any galleries. I checked all windows of cafes, restaurants, shops, etc. ...
We'd better limit areas ... I can't go there any more, but some people in Noriko's forum are going there tomorrow or later.

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unagi wrote:
Hi, everyone, I went to the three "Approximate Destination" in ariock's map, and spent one hour and a half, but I couldn't find the ring. At the green pin, there's a gallery named Ayumi gallary, and I talked with the lady inside, but no metal ring. Around the point there are several galleries (they call them galleries but most of them sell china or accessaries), and I visited them, but I couldn't find ring. At the blue and red pins, I couldn't find any galleries. I checked all windows of cafes, restaurants, shops, etc. ...
We'd better limit areas ... I can't go there any more, but some people in Noriko's forum are going there tomorrow or later.

Sad

Well, one thing that helped as far as Wellington's ring was that there was some searching beforehand, and people called various galleries before.

I just realized something. There's no date information. No "The ring will be available starting on X day." I suppose that means it must be there now?

The ring should be in plain sight wherever it is. But definitely don't make any more trips until we're sure. You and the other Japanese speakers might need to make some phone calls ahead of time though.

Also, I'm trying to find a thread in Noriko's forum, but I don't see anything...
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ariock wrote:
Sad

Well, one thing that helped as far as Wellington's ring was that there was some searching beforehand, and people called various galleries before.

I just realized something. There's no date information. No "The ring will be available starting on X day." I suppose that means it must be there now?

The ring should be in plain sight wherever it is. But definitely don't make any more trips until we're sure. You and the other Japanese speakers might need to make some phone calls ahead of time though.

Well, didn't you PM me "go here"? Smile
(Anyway, this evening was the only chance for me and I had no time to make phone calls in the daytime.)

I can't understand the structure of the sentences of the voicemail, especially I wonder why the voicemail says twice "the entrance to (of) the labyrinth".

And what is the airplane mark in your map?

Isn't it possible some words mentioning the type of the place weren't translated?

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