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degravedi
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Not that it really helps any, but the first image's large size is here: http://636f6d696e67736f6f6e.weebly.com/uploads/9/9/6/0/99604/3406708_orig.jpg

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Nighthawk wrote:
I'm trying to map those to the alphabet on the top right and I'm getting garbage. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

All I'm gonna say is, don't forget that U is (0,0) not (1,1). Taking the first few letters, I get the same as what Toasty gets.

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I'm going to assume that the relevant point of the article is this bit, as it's the original name of the e-mails:
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CantGoTu Environments

The concept of a CantGoTu Environment takes the ideas embedded in the Diagonal Argument of George Cantor, the Undecidability theorems of Kurt Gödel, and the limits of computability highlighted by Alan Turing, and applies them to Virtual Reality environments. The argument is set out in The Fabric of Reality (1997) by David Deutsch, and runs thus:

Imagine a computer built to render every possible Virtual Reality. Suppose all possible environments produced by this generator can be laid out sequentially, as Environment 1, Environment 2, etc. Take time slices through each of these of equal duration. (Deutsch specifies one minute, but this could, in principle be anything, e.g. Planck time.) Now construct a new environment as follows. In the first time-period, generate in the environment anything which is different from Environment 1, and in the second time period, anything different from Environment 2, and so on. This new environment cannot be found in the sequential layout of environments specified earlier, as it differs from all possible environments by what happens in one particular time-slice. Hence this means that no such universal VR generator can be created, and there are environments which effectively can never be rendered by any means (since there are infinitely many).[15]

[Yet if all possible virtual reality initial conditions have been simulated and still it is possible to create a reality that plays out differently to those already created (despite starting at an initial condition common to one of those already in existence) then that extra environment must obey slightly different cause and effect laws of reality, or else it would simlpy play out in the same way as one of those already simulated. This implies that the arguement by Deutsch is only valid if the laws that govern each virtual reality may be different: i.e. they would have to allow inconsistencies such as objects suddenly disappearing or appearing out of nowhere for every time an environment transitions from one time slot to another. If instead one simply assumes that there are infinitely many possible initial conditions, since they vary by infinitesimally small amounts, then (even if all follow the same laws) there will be infinitely many possible virtual realities that could be generated, which leads to the same conclusion as Deutsch.]

However, later on in the book, Deutsch goes on to argue for a very strong version of the Turing principle, namely: "It is possible to build a virtual reality generator whose repertoire includes every physically possible environment."

However, in order to include every physically possible environment, the computer would have to be able to include a full simulation of the environment containing itself. Even so, a computer running a simulation need not have to run every possible physical moment to be plausible to its inhabitants.


*edited per Konamouse's advice*
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Why are you spoilering an article?
I would humbly suggest just quoting it. If there is a puzzle solve, that is appropriate for the spoiler tag.
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Agent Lex wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:
I'm trying to map those to the alphabet on the top right and I'm getting garbage. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

All I'm gonna say is, don't forget that U is (0,0) not (1,1). Taking the first few letters, I get the same as what Toasty gets.

I can't believe Nighthawk fell for the bane of begining programers... Your arrays start at 0, not 1. Very Happy
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No, I succumbed to my deficiency that I'm legally blind and didn't see the "0" and "1"...

Anyway, wasn't giving it much focus at the time anyhow. Grunt work sometimes annoys me.

(Yeah, I know, that's ironic coming from me. But still...)
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So, have you guys figured out what this is going to lead to, in, uh, 5 days now?

Is it a means for those not attending ARGFest to still virtually participate in the cocktail party?

Just speculating, but if our hotel is wifi compatible, and being the geeks we are, most will bring their laptops (many of which are webcam capable), is there a means for us to "broadcast" the party to interested parties? I dunno, perhaps one central uplink for a master camera roving around the party with microphone in hand to capture fun times (and create black mail material perhaps). Again, just typing outloud (blame it on boredom at work today).
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I believe that jamesi's wife will be taking video of the cocktail party, ready for general antics, monster attacks and other ARG activity, but I don't think it will be live.

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Looks like a minor update:
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Soon. As I said, watch those cocktails...


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New puzzles. Looks like you solve a sudoku, total up numbers within an area (guesing) and then use those to do some math. I notice the sudoku isn't symmetrical...
There's also a Wm. Gibson quote, "And for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer remotely human" which I think is from Neuromancer, and this: "/as-umh-lud-wn-uonl.luro"
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pancito wrote:
New puzzles. Looks like you solve a sudoku, total up numbers within an area (guesing) and then use those to do some math. I notice the sudoku isn't symmetrical...
There's also a Wm. Gibson quote, "And for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer remotely human" which I think is from Neuromancer, and this: "/as-umh-lud-wn-uonl.luro"


I concur with your assessment but am too tired to try and figure out the soduku puzzle atm. Too bad they didn't make it so you could just type it in...

As for the /as-umh-lud-wn-uonl.luro I'm guessing its a link to a jpeg maybe using a substitution cipher... which I am also too tired to attempt to solve right now.

Did I mention I was really tired? ::yawn:
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I concur with your assessment but am too tired to try and figure out the soduku puzzle atm...


You can always find something to solve it for you... Wink

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Unique solution:

8 2 6 3 1 5 4 9 7
5 4 9 7 2 6 3 8 1
1 7 3 8 9 4 5 2 6
9 6 5 1 8 7 2 4 3
7 8 2 4 6 3 9 1 5
4 3 1 2 5 9 7 6 8
6 5 4 9 7 8 1 3 2
3 1 7 6 4 2 8 5 9
2 9 8 5 3 1 6 7 4


Don't know what else to do at this point.
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I, however, am not lazy and solved it myself Razz (if it's any indication, that means it's fairly easy and should be solvable by anyone who can solve the medium sudoku in the paper)

So far I've run the numbers through the sums and come out with:
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348758156250


What to do with this, I don't know. I've also attached the excel sheet I used for the calculations.

ETA: No idea what to do with the code. Far as I can tell, it doesn't ROT, sub or vig to a jpeg or html. (based on the fact that what you do get with those methods, given the extension, is gibberish)

The quote is from Count Zero and is missing the word "even" :/
doku.xls
Description  Solve of the sudoku puzzle
xls

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I did the equations, and I came out with the number 22. Of course, this was used with the Red box ONLY being what was only contained by the red part. I'll try it a few other ways for y'all.

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t3hreaper wrote:
I did the equations, and I came out with the number 22. Of course, this was used with the Red box ONLY being what was only contained by the red part. I'll try it a few other ways for y'all.


I did that as well. What did you get for the red-circle number? I got 45.

Also, the site's updated. Now there's 2 codes...
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/as-umh-lud-wn-uonl.luro
/ws-boj-moi-uh-yipi.part


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