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[D9] District 9 and Multi-National United (trailhead)
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sirpoins
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Dr. Awkward wrote:
How's everybody doin' in these parts Cool
Whoevers responsible for the D9 wikibruce - great job Brownie

I've been pretty busy with work, so I haven't been able to submerse mahself in any arg's as of late Crying or Very sad

Just a heads up to those who are interested - there's an additional D9 wiki that could use some assistance over on Wetpaint.
Feel free to edit, etc. as you all see fit - obviously anybody can & is welcomed to contribute. The more the merrier.

http://d9.wetpaint.com/

I put a link back to this thread on the D9 Forums page there ...
It's there if anyone has some spare time & is interested Wink

Doc


I'm sure that Bruce appreciates the help! Thanks...

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thebruce
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so... what's the point in duplicating the wiki?
especially copying one wiki content to another?
(and I haven't been doing edits on the D9 wikibruce yet, it's been mainly a few others)
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Dr. Awkward
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District 9 wikibruce - sweet !
D9 wetpaint wiki ... eh, not so much.

That's the actual thebruce wiki Shocked
Daaaaaang - you're a friggin' animal bro !!

Seriously ...
You da man.

Even if you didn't work on that one.

Anyway, no problem - lol. A good portion of the existent information, which isn't nearly as informative as of yet (if ever), was gleamed from other fans hard work. The few others you speak of have done a tremendous job.

Fox is hosting a Fringe wetpaint wiki, which was more or less the inspiration for the whole thing. Only the District 9 wetpaint site would be hosted by whoever decides to man up.

D9 wetpaint wiki's a mop closet compared to the D9wikibruce, yet it maintains potential to be a fun and informative website - it's up to fate. I personally don't have time to work on it. I gather that the wetpaint sites are regarded, & serve more as a social website considering the compliment, pm & friend mods, etc., whereas the D9 wikibruce is serryus binnis. Basically, if people get creative then it's good to go.

If not, it fails. Twisted Evil

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thebruce
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well, if it focuses more on the movie aspect, that's fine... but duplicating efforts (especially directly duplicating content) just leads to confusion. eg I specifically didn't set up a Fringe wiki because there was already a Fringe wiki.
Just saying.
Even so, I do intend to eventually get to 'touching up' the wiki.
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Dr. Awkward
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thebruce wrote:
well, if it focuses more on the movie aspect, that's fine... but duplicating efforts (especially directly duplicating content) just leads to confusion. eg I specifically didn't set up a Fringe wiki because there was already a Fringe wiki.
Just saying.
Even so, I do intend to eventually get to 'touching up' the wiki.


Really don't know what aspects people would consider focusing on. It's their call. Again, I personally cannot devote much time to the project, which is likely the culprit for sharing duplicate info. There are numerous links back to the original sources.

Told Nick Butler and his forum about it and the uF crowd as well, cuz as far as I can figure, if your not here or there your probably not interested.

And just my two cents, but a wetpaint wiki is not on par with an actual wiki. The loading times seem noticably longer on wetpaint sites, probably caused, at least in part, by all the mods. The former is very distacting too me in comparison to the latter. I'd liken it to going to either the library, or the club.

Not everybody has a super 'puter, nor does everyone wanna be @ da club all the time. Some people hate clubs.

You guys really need to do a Fringe wiki. At least people who are more comfortable in that environment & others whose systems would access the intended information more efficiently would have the opportunity and/or option.

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thebruce
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Well players ultimately decide what resources they want and where.
But as anyone who maintains a website will tell you, finding another site duplicating your content, even linking back as the 'original source' is simply bad form. At the very least, it could be re-written so it's not an exact copy. If it's a website with a different purpose even, that wouldn't be so bad. But in this case, it's another wiki, with duplicated content, in a sense trying to 'one-up' the source (at least that's how it seems). If it's intending to offer additional information, then really, focus on the additional information and direct people to an already existing website for the rest, rather than duplicating its content.
Anyway, regardless, if people decide to use that wiki, that's fine, the community always decides.
I'm just saying - seeing the content of that wiki having duplicated the content of this wiki directly is just bad etiquette. My concern is partially confusion and people having upkeep two identical resources...

ie, blogs and wikis go hand in hand, even they offer the same content, because their purposes and methods of delivery are different; they help in different ways. Heck there's even d-9clues.com and d-9forum.com following everything...
whatever. doesn't matter... I've barely even touched this wiki yet anyway.

And I don't want to detail this thread into a webmaster battle any more than it already is... just voicing my concern about resources.
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DanTheDevil
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If this comes to fisticuffs, I've got your back thebruce Wink.

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Dr. Awkward
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Bruce, don't take the debate format personal - it's simply easier to address your concerns in this manner ...

thebruce wrote:
Well players ultimately decide what resources they want and where.

Not in terms of a Fringe wiki, as you mentioned - not unless yoos guyz man up.

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But as anyone who maintains a website will tell you, finding another site duplicating your content, even linking back as the 'original source' is simply bad form.

*This is done all the time ... it seems quite acceptable probably in part to the increased advertising the sites receive. In all fairness tho, you may very well be right. Some of you may remember mah other mad hattery during Clovie's stay with us. I claim no authority in interwebz etiquette & ethics, as I'm not very tech savvy.
I build better houses then webpages.

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At the very least, it could be re-written so it's not an exact copy.

*We agree on just about everything - this being the exception. I can see where you may've mistaken my sloth for egotism, but you would justify this behavior - that's confusing to me. Doing this is a cop out & a joke. As far as I'm concerned it's like painting a stolen car a different color and calling it yours. Or better yet, sellin' it on craigslist like it was.

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If it's a website with a different purpose even, that wouldn't be so bad.

That's the case here. One is a social information delivery system, and one isn't. One runs certain programs that some deem intrusive, where the other is very basic and user friendly.

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But in this case, it's another wiki, with duplicated content, in a sense trying to 'one-up' the source (at least that's how it seems).

Dang ... that stinks.
I didn't set out to bruce anyone's ego ...
Couldn't resist - sorry Embarassed

Hell, I'll delete it if that's the consensus.
I thought it might be a fun place for D9ers to hang out inbetween new viral releases when $h!t'$ dead.
I'm being dead a$$ serious. Or if you want, I can make you the primary administrator.
Or yoos can vote someone in.

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If it's intending to offer additional information, then really, focus on the additional information and direct people to an already existing website for the rest, rather than duplicating its content.

I personally don't see the need to bounce from site to site. If you don't wanna interact w/ people, go to a traditional wiki. If you enjoy catchin' up with peeps, go to a more social venue like a forum, or a wetpaint site.

The information that was shared was done so in order to create some sort of basis, aside from a title, for the project in as little time as possible. I had a temporary bout with initiative the other day, but I'm well now. There's templates in place for character & plot development as well as a video wall, etc.. The community has to man up and fill in the rest for their own benefit. If they determine there is no value therein ...

It fails.

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Anyway, regardless, if people decide to use that wiki, that's fine, the community always decides.

Not in terms of a Fringe wiki - not unless yoos guyz man up - lol.
Besides - the wetpaint site is less of a wiki. They seem more like a hangout or pit stop for people with similiar interests. District 9 in this case ...


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I'm just saying - seeing the content of that wiki having duplicated the content of this wiki directly is just bad etiquette.

See above * ...

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My concern is partially confusion and people having upkeep two identical resources...

Doesn't seem like it would confuse people ...
True wikis' reminds me of college - wetpaint reminds me of highschool. If you wanna know a definition you surf a dictionary or a wiki site. If you wanna see who's online, or kill a lil' time, you surf and update your Facebook or the wetpaint site. D9.wetpaint is like a big MySpace for District 9 that everybody and anybody can continue to create and corrupt - lol

The two sites would be even less alike once people started getting creative. They're hardly identical tho, as one is very thorough, & the other has like 5 pages so far - lol. I won't even get into the details of how different the programs behind the sites seem to a layman such as myself. The user experience between the two is completely different.

Regardless, I spent more time debating with you then it took to update eveything there - lol. I actually enjoyed this more too. My experience in web design is basically limited to copy/paste, as I've yet to design an actual website, and chances are, I never will. I appreciate the social interactions associated with forums & wetpaint sites tho ...

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ie, blogs and wikis go hand in hand, even they offer the same content, because their purposes and methods of delivery are different; they help in different ways.

Indeed ...

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Heck there's even d-9clues.com and d-9forum.com following everything...

Yep - that's Nick as alluded to in my previous post.
He's linked back to the D9wikibruce on his blog as well.

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whatever. doesn't matter... I've barely even touched this wiki yet anyway.

And I don't want to detail this thread into a webmaster battle any more than it already is... just voicing my concern about resources.


Well said bud Wink

lol - As far as a webmaster battle goes, you win, as I'm in no shape to fight. Besides, I don't wanna get on the Devil's bad side Wink
You have (many of which I agree with) your opinions and that's the way it should be.

I'm just voicing my concern, or lack thereof, with a wetpaint site for D9ers.

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Dude. It's a wiki. And it's directly copied content from another wiki. It's not a blog. It's not a forum. Even if it can be a serve as all three, it's still a wiki.
Anyway, this is Off Topic, and at the very least, I'm taking to PM, not public discourse.
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But it's not your ARG to begin with...you're writing notes down on what has happened so far. In an ARG that you have no ownership rights over. And you're complaining because people are using the same words. From a wiki. I can say hello, you can say hello...it's not copyright infringement.

Once you posted it on a wiki it was free game.

Shut up all ready. Thanks.

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Anyway, this is Off Topic, and at the very least, I'm taking to PM, not public discourse.

Nice try at having the last word.

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Listen, information wants to be free. People who organize information put their own personal effort into it. I never said the information belongs only in one place, and that's counter-intuitive with the nature of an ARG. But copying someone else's organizational work is not the same as organizing the same information your own way. I said I don't care how many sites there are or if this wetpaint site continues to exist - the more the merrier IMO, because the community ultimately decides. But in any medium, copying and pasting someone else's own efforts, let alone without asking is just bad etiquette.
..This has already blown waaaay out of proportion anyway. Take it to PM if you still want to debate. srsly.
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this is so incredibly off-topic.. could you guys please carry this on in private messages? you're cluttering the D-9 forum with a personal argument. we need to be able to use it for D-9 information when the time comes. thanks

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So off-topic? Geez.

Anyway, still no reply about the job information, I am still waiting on that one, has anyone else received any e-mails yet? Shocked
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StapledPuppet wrote:
So off-topic? Geez.

Anyway, still no reply about the job information, I am still waiting on that one, has anyone else received any e-mails yet? Shocked


no, MNUPrivacy is apparently ignoring everyone

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I understand it's improper to have this discussion here, and for that I apologize unFicitioners ...
I won't address this any further in this thread or otherwise.

I really don't have any interest in debating via private message - it seems counter-intuitive to the point of a debate. Almost like having a private wiki - lol

Tho I thank you for the advice - this'll be a nice reference for me in terms of how other's may percieve things & how good intentions may not always justify their end by their means, as well as a what can be considered proper etiquette ...

I honestly don't consider the site mine, and am not terribly interested in District 9 currently - altho it does seem cool, summer's the busy season and arging falls to the wayside 'til snow is upon the lands ...

I had fifteen minutes to kill & thought I was doin' a good deed.
Feel free to edit or delete the pages in question ...
Apologies to anyone who took offence.

Also, for the record, I haven't recieved anything from MNU or any of the affiliate sites.

[crawls under rock]

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