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Griffin_Mill
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 		The image the little girl is looking at appears to me to be a claddagh jewelry ring type thing (a heart with a crown). Just wanted to offer this as another brainstorming possibility.

Also, I wonder if colors play a part here - if it is the queen of hearts (from Alice in Wonderland) and the layover is pink...perhaps there is something to it. Probably just grasping at straws.
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Griffin_Mill
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 		CHECK THIS OUT!
http://www.lookingglass.org/

I think this org's logo is the background image for the picture of the little girl!
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Mecanico
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 		mmm...
Dont think thats relevant.

I think we should follow the pattern of the 00001000.jpg image, which was pretty clear as to what we needed to know... we only had to think a little.

What is obvious to me is that theres a girl, that is looking at the STOL text (unless the text is wrong), with what seems to be a skeleton on the back.

We only have to hit the nail... (which doesn't come that easy lol)

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ecwilder
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 		Boo, 'Dedalus' is also the main character in both Ulysses, and Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man......

Stephen Dedalus.....

i like the dead alice idea, only cuz it brings in the book im currently reading in class: portrait of an artist as a young man.

BUT.... i think its the robot from second ren, the only animatrix movies written/penned by the WB......
plus.. .think about smith uploads into a human body... agents take over humans... is it so unplausible that shes an AI?

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Giskard
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 		Sorry Griffin, I fail to see the resemblance... btw, I also fail to see the resemblance with a skeleton at the moment Smile

I do think that bit of the picutre is of some importance, because the rest of the background is the shadow that the little girl casts on ... a wall I guess, which means the "skeletal form" has intentionally and with an effort been pasted in.

On a sidenote, I was wondering what the process of arriving at the Alice in Wonderland quote has been? According to this thread Sapagoo "turned [the text] into a cryptogram", but what does that mean? Is it some way of finding letter-substitution possibilities? Is there special software that can do that?

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Griffin_Mill
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 		Don't know if this is useful or not (from http://sunflower.bio.indiana.edu/~clively/Research/Red_Queen%20hyp.html).

Quote:
Red Queen Hypothesis.--The "Red Queen" hypothesis is used to describe two similar ideas, which are both based on coevolution. The original idea is that coevolution could lead to situations for which the probability of extinction is relatively constant over millions of years (Van Valen 1973). The gist of the idea is that, in tightly coevolved interactions, evolutionary change by one species (e.g., a prey or host) could lead to extinction of other species (e.g. a predator or parasite), and that the probability of such changes might be reasonably independent of species age. Van Valen named the idea "the Red Queen hypothesis," because, under this view, species had to "run" (evolve) in order to stay in the same place (extant).

The phrase "Red Queen hypothesis" comes from Chapter 2 in Through the Looking Glass (Carroll 1872). In Alice's dream about the looking glass house, she first finds that things appear left-to-right, as if shown in a mirror. She then finds that chess pieces are alive. She will later encounter several of these pieces (most notably the Red Queen), after she leaves the looking glass house to see the garden.

Alice decides that it would be easier to see the garden if she first climbs the hill, to which there appears to be a very straight path. However, as she follows the path, she finds that it leads her back to the house. When she tries to speed up, she not only returns to the house, she crashes into it. Hence, forward movement takes Alice back to her starting point (Red Queen dynamics), and rapid movement causes abrupt stops (extinction).

Eventually, Alice finds herself in a patch of very vocal and opinionated flowers; the rose is especially vocal. The flowers tell Alice that someone like her (the Red Queen) often passes through, and Alice decides to seek this person, mostly as a way to escape more verbal abuse. When Alice spots the Red Queen, she begins moving toward her. But, the Red Queen quickly disappears from sight. Alice decides to follow the advice of the rose, and go the other way ("I should advise you to walk the other way"). Immediately she comes face-to-face with the Red Queen (see Lythgoe and Read 1998).

The Red Queen then leads Alice directly to the top of the hill. Along the way, the Red Queen explains that hills can become valleys, which confuses Alice. Already, in this world, straight can become curvy, and progress can be made only by going the opposite direction; now, according to the Red Queen, hills can become valleys and valleys can become hills.

At the top of the hill, the Red Queen begins to run, faster and faster. Alice runs after the Red Queen, but is further perplexed to find that neither one seems to be moving. When they stop running, they are in exactly the same place. Alice remarks on this, to which the Red Queen responds: "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do to keep in the same place".

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 		no time to find it now... but somewhere in the carelessly thread i pasted a piece from hamlet i think it was... or perhaps julius caesar... (dont have time sorry) ... but it was saying pretty much to look at things as if looking in a mirror....

which i thought we could apply to the first one at the time sorta....

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 		ALAS, it was on MFN.....


BRUTUS. No, Cassius, for the eye sees not itself
But by reflection, by some other things.

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Mecanico
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Giskard wrote:
Sorry Griffin, I fail to see the resemblance... btw, I also fail to see the resemblance with a skeleton at the moment Smile

I do think that bit of the picutre is of some importance, because the rest of the background is the shadow that the little girl casts on ... a wall I guess, which means the "skeletal form" has intentionally and with an effort been pasted in.

On a sidenote, I was wondering what the process of arriving at the Alice in Wonderland quote has been? According to this thread Sapagoo "turned [the text] into a cryptogram", but what does that mean? Is it some way of finding letter-substitution possibilities? Is there special software that can do that?


Look at this picture to see the skeleton idea:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/files/639_1065208771.jpg

The process to unravel the text was to first convert the windings into text. I heard they used Caesar's encryption to decode the text (which consists in rotating the alphabet K letters, so that "ABC" with K=2 would be "CDE").

I agree that the other background is just a wall with the shadow of the girl. So that makes me believe that all the artifacts we could see are from the original photo. Only the ones that look attached could mean something (at least to me), like the "skeleton" the red box, and the windings.

Now that I think about it, if S to L is an anagram, then it could mean LOST, and so, the sentence could end up like:

"Lost girl is dead, because she didn't learn the lesson"?

The girl from sheismissing?

ARGH Too much... info... brains... melting...

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 		re:
another aspect that folks haven't been able to make sense of (as far as i know) is the "eye see" caption, the counterpart to which was definitely relevant for the second image. IC? does that mean something that i'd understand if i knew more computer stuff? does the girl simply see red? like bulls (a falsehood, but still)? just guesses, those, but that "eye see" is worth thinking about some more.

elements include:
the "eye see" caption
the toddler girl
the red rectangle over her eyes
the skeleton (or whatever you think it is)
the wierd background
the vague other thing in the rectangle (footprint?)
the coded alice in wonderland quote

eh?

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 		or maybe this person is identifying as having "taken the red pill," as it were, though that wouldn't explain the skeleton.

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Mecanico
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 		What was the relevance?
I dunno what was the real importance of "eye see" on the second image... maybe I got asleep Smile. Anyways, "Eye see" kinda fits ok with what the eyes of the girl see, and the rectangle was to reduce the error factor.

Hope we can solve this quickly! I think this is important.

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Giskard
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Mecanico wrote:
The process to unravel the text was to first convert the windings into text. I heard they used Caesar's encryption to decode the text (which consists in rotating the alphabet K letters, so that "ABC" with K=2 would be "CDE").


Well, in Sapagoo's thread he mention's it isn't Wingdings at all... it seems that's a bit of a myth. When comparing it to Wingdings myself I found nothing comparable...

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toongoon
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 		To possibly seed a brainstorm...

Does S2L instead of "S to L" mean anything to any of you compu-saavy-people?

Also, Disneyworld Paris has an attraction called Alice's Curious Labyrinth. The reference to the labryinth project in Beth's metadex email has had me intrigued.

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Mecanico
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 		About windings
There are many sets of windings that can be found on diferent apps, so comparing it to your usual "Windings 1-2-3" of microsoft word won't be enough. It's just a matter of searching. Even though, the cryptogram aproach was ok, and did give a coherent result.

About the S2L the only thing that comes to mind is SSL, but I don't think it has anything to do with this.

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