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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] October 1 picture at paintover
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Giskard
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 		Hmm, I was just thinking... the other three pictures all had Shakespearian quotes, except for this one.

The Alice in Wonderland quote was found using a cryptogram-solver. There was one doubtful element in this process, and that's the last character in the sentence. We agreed that it had to be an exclamation mark, as one was in the Alice in Wonderland quote as well, and no other solution seemed possible. But if this is ALSO a quote from Shakespeare, the cryptogram-solver would probably not be able to recognize because I bet "old" English words are not in the solver's dictionary...

I find it hard to believe that this first picture is not in line with the three others... I'm gonna try and find a different solution for the characters on the picture...
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 		im a bit doubtful the cryptograms mean anything else.

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 		font
I think we have to find the Font. I have search and I don't think anyone has posed it here. I've done a search for it can can;t find it. Does anyone know what the font it?

Plus a connection that I made before that I might be able to expand a little more:

Little Girl looking at something in the red box. On little-boxes.net, my life is indicated with a red box. In "my life" Elizabeth indicates that what she has learned.

Quote:
I've learned that living a lie can be quite difficult. One lie leads to another and that to yet another. Before you know it, you are left choking in the very web you wove. That's how it was with us, the secret meetings, the cryptic phone calls, the emails that said volumes by saying nothing at all. We were choking ourselves, we were choking each other. One day we just let go. We went our own ways. It wasn't our choice but it was the only way. I just never heard from him again and it was done. As the emotion faded, the situation became clear. It was the only way and I see that now. Yet suddenly it's back. I wonder, am I the spider making the web or am I the bug trapped in it.


The lesson Alice learned in the quote is not to take anything that you don;t know about. She drank the potion and it made her big. Like living a lie. It just gets bigger.

In the cryptic quote the girl is looking directly at the "TO" even though the S and T are with in the box.

GAME ADMINS: Do you think you can make this one clearer? They did update the "Ceasear/Bobby" picture.

But it is probably so simple. we'll smack ourselves in the head when someone solves it.

What's missing?
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trip wrote:
Hi everyone!

After helping figure out two of the other paintover pictures, I'm stuck now on this one.


Hiya trip, nice work on those others, hopefully a fresh set of eyes (no pun intended) will help here.

This is gonna be one of those "There it was all the time" things.

You know like when you have a film or TV show with some wildly twisting, cryptic plot and at the end they go "Ta-daa" and show you that the answer has been staring you in the face since the very first scene.

"I see dead people" anyone? Wink Perhaps not the best example Rolling Eyes

Perhaps the most frustrating part is that the bit that we got, we had to jump through hoops for and ultimately it left us with nothing.

It's obviosly not crucial to the development of the plot at this stage otherwise we'd have "stumbled" across more clues. Or did we?

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Yeah, as I mention in another thread, as soon as I heard the lyrics to the MP3 I thought of the first paintover pic.


I agree with SHOGUN on this, but I'll include a link to the lyrics Very Happy

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=22835#22835

WedgeGold wrote:
Little Girl looking at something in the red box. On little-boxes.net, my life is indicated with a red box. In "my life" Elizabeth indicates that what she has learned.


And where did we get the MP3? Little Boxes. Idea

So we're back to "STOL" or "LOTS" if you follow the "Red Queen" Theory. One of the answers to the crossword.

-- Brainstorming Mode --

Anyone considered "SLOT" as in slot machine (Caesars Palace?)

I normally resist mentioning the 'B' word, it tends to result in an influx of Zealots, but I'll risk it just this once. In the Bible, "Lot" has a daughter (Lots Daughter?), well two actually (the first recorded incident of "Parent Abuse" if I'm not mistaken) but the ony connection I can think of is the thing with his wife looking back.

Destruction of a city (or two)?, Salty Wive? Incestuous Daughters?

Finaly, taking some of trip's logic and expanding upon it. "Eye See Lots".

Where? Where would you see Lots?

Car Park, Auction, House Building Site, "Drawing Lots",

Some bits from http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lots
Code:

1. An object used in making a determination or choice at random: casting lots.
2. Something that befalls one because of or as if because of determination by lot.
3. The outdoor area of a film studio.
4. To apportion by lots; allot.
5. To divide (land) into lots.


Really just trying to keep this thing moving. Very Happy
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 		Huh...I just remembered something that I'd posted in another thread about this pic:

In Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, about 60 lines before the quote from the 2nd pic, Brutus says to Cassius:

BRUTUS: No, Cassius, for the eye sees not itself
But by reflection, by some other thing.

Speaker...Brutus. It's a different quote, but... darn, this doesn't help find the directory, unfortunately. I got all excited for a bit there... has the phrase on top of the pic ever helped us solve anything? Except for the GrabbingInternetFiles, but that was different...I mean the ones that show us where the conversations are stored. The more I think about this, the more I begin to appreciate how simple MLO's password was...

[Edit]: Reflection! The cascade vortex, with the little upside down flippy thing that doesn't seem to have a purpose. Am I getting anywhere?

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Omnie wrote:
BRUTUS: No, Cassius, for the eye sees not itself
But by reflection, by some other thing....

... has the phrase on top of the pic ever helped us solve anything?


Well it certainly offers to back up the reflection theme and could even be worked with the "red queen" reversal idea. i.e. doing the opposite of what you expect.
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 		Speaking of URLs, was sheismissing live at when this pic came out? That seems totally perfect to me... the girl is looking at the word lost. Oh, of course it was live, we first found paintover.net from that site. That's got to be the most likely directory. Yay... Very Happy

[edit] Ok, another random idea I just had. The quote was encoded with a cryptogram, right? Cryptogram...CRYPT...dead people, skeleton. Maybe that's a directory or password. Also grave, graveyard, tomb, etc.

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Marl64 wrote:
...with the "red queen" reversal idea. i.e. doing the opposite of what you expect.


Hold on I'm getting there.

Omnie wrote:
Speaking of URLs, was sheismissing live at when this pic came out? That seems totally perfect to me... the girl is looking at the word lost. Oh, of course it was live, we first found paintover.net from that site. That's got to be the most likely directory. Yay... Very Happy


Hmm, finding something at the lost person page would be a strange and ironic twist. Very Happy
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Omnie wrote:
...sheismissing... ...seems totally perfect to me... the girl is looking at the word lost...

[edit] Ok, another random idea I just had. The quote was encoded with a cryptogram, right? Cryptogram...CRYPT...dead people, skeleton. Maybe that's a directory or password. Also grave, graveyard, tomb, etc.


And add into this a few lines from the Song at little boxes
Code:

what do i need to find?
where's that little girl smiling
from her happy world dying
to be a light shining in the night
where has she gone?


And things start to look promising.

Oh I hope this is something Very Happy,
We've had far too many nothings on this pic Crying or Very sad
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 		I can't imagine that lyrics of an MP3 on little-boxes.net could lead us to a hacker's meetingplace.

Contrary to popular belief, we're not players playing a game, following hints from a PM. We're simply people observing other people's world. In this world where Beth, Avery and Caesar live, Beth's personal choice in music has nothing to do with the hacker's hideouts. To us they may seem related because they're all part of this big 'puzzle', but their world they simply can't be.

... just my 2 cents on a slow Monday...

PS. I'm not trying to flame anyone. Just spewing my thoughts...
PPS. I reserve the right to be proven horrendously wrong and bury my head in shame.

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Worker wrote:
I can't imagine that lyrics of an MP3 on little-boxes.net could lead us to a hacker's meetingplace....
..., Beth's personal choice in music has nothing to do with the hacker's hideouts. To us they may seem related because they're all part of this big 'puzzle', but their world they simply can't be.

I don't beleive that this first pic is the same as the others. The second one seemed to be the first meeting (as was suggested earlier).

I think this picture (if anything) is more fundamental to the story. It's been here a long time now and we're no better for it.

Unless it was simply a "This is the place" kinda message to pre-empt the first meeting, in which case we can all go home now. Very Happy But why the cryptogram?

As for the MP3, it's relevance (if any) will only be seen in time, but at this stage (I believe) we don't know where Beth got it. Since we don't yet know the relationships between the characters it may be premature to rule it out.
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Contrary to popular belief, we're not players playing a game, following hints from a PM. We're simply people observing other people's world. In this world where Beth, Avery and Caesar live...

I wish more players took this approach. I think a lot of time and effort is wasted on Matrix tie ins which (in game) are irrelevant.

Sure the odd nod to the movie (Thomas Anderson) is quite nice to set the scene, but to be constantly trying to work it into the movie plot, as the Architect says "Please." Rolling Eyes

From http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23568#23568 (posted about 3 hours ago)

Marl64 wrote:
Finally, there has been a lot of speculation about "being unplugged" or "being an agent", which I'm afraid I don't understand. You see in my (ARG Envoronment) World, I don't know about such things. Wink

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 		two thoughts:

1. Assuming there are "hidden files" associated with this pic (as with the other pics), by process of elimination they should be at paranormaljournal.org. It also fits because so far (correct me if I'm wrong) nothing has been discovered there.

2. From the get go I took the text "eye see" as the letters IC. IC + STOL, anagrammed out (as another poster already did), reveals nothing. But if the "response" to "eye see" is "you see", UC + STOL = LOCUST, which is the topic of one of the Little Boxes articles, in fact it's the "first" article #45. Also, locusts are one of the plagues, not sure how it connects...

Is locust a directory/filename/username/password? And how about alice, haven't seen that one tried yet...

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 		LOCUST
What about the LOCUST document #45 on little-boxes?

"Eyewitnesses"...
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bagsbee wrote:
1. Assuming there are "hidden files" associated with this pic (as with the other pics), by process of elimination they should be at paranormaljournal.org. It also fits because so far (correct me if I'm wrong) nothing has been discovered there.


But if you follow the same pattern that the others pictures, I would say that the target to look for something is paintover.net. Why? Well, the others pictures worked with the direct meaning of the image, we did not need to interpretate it. And, well, there is a box PAINTed OVER the eyes...

I don't know, just random thoughs...
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I think we are honestly stuck on this one.
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