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[BEIJING] 40 stadia from the opening ceremonies
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AUZ505
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 		[BEIJING] 40 stadia from the opening ceremonies
Please help us pick potential spots along this "ring" around the National Stadium. Sophrosune and dikaiosune, we need you for this!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:07 pm
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 		Another section of chat about finding a location 40 stadia from the opening ceremonies:

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<EliHunt> We also have the question of "eleven by design."
<JamesMutters> ok... 11 by design
<EliHunt> Do we have agreement about how to interpret this phrase when it comes to making the labyrinth?
<Canzonett> An 11-circuit labyrinth?`11 people forming the walls?
<AUZ505> That should be a eleven-circuit lab
<Bookmore> Someone mentioned that 11 by design might refer to the 11 circuits labyrinth.
<MauroKing> eleven by design... 11 circuits?
<Shad0> An eleven-circuit labyrinth
<JamesMutters> I've tried drawing an 11 circut, it's pretty large
<sparta247> I think we basically all agree on an eleven circuit
<EliHunt> That does seem an appropriate interpretation. Shall we look at an 11 circuit design?
<mrjudkins> absolutely.
<Shad0> It's "eleven by drawing the most important game" (if you ignore the punctuation)
<JamesMutters> the one I drew was very similar to the 7 circuit, just the seed pattern is a bit bigger
<mrjudkins> http://www.reclaimingquarterly.org/79/79-webpix/79-lab-bobt-11.jpg
<Bookmore> 11 circuits labyrinth can easily be found.
<Tenchizard> an 11 circuit labyrinth is a classical design for a labyrinth
<Bookmore> Making them however... That is going to take space.
<EliHunt> I believe the Chartres labyrinth is a classical example. http://www.lessons4living.com/images/Labrinte1.GIF
<Canzonett> there's a seed pattern for an 11-circuit ...
<Bookmore> The 3 circuits ones I made were about 7 meters in width.
<Tenchizard> here you have the seed: http://www.geomancy.org/sacred-space/labyrinths/about-labyrinths/construction/index.html
<JamesMutters> wow, Eli, that looks really intense
<Canzonett> So it should be possible. But it definitely needs more space than 7 circuits
<mrjudkins> Wow - that's epic Eli
<Shad0> yes
<Bookmore> 11 circuits would be about 22, or 23 meters wide ?
<EliHunt> It is good to determine the space requirements in advance.
<Fencer> http://www.geomancy.org/images/labyseedgrow.jpg
* Bookmore would suggest 25 meters in width just to be safe.
<JamesMutters> Eli, I agree
<mrjudkins> That Chartres one is very different to the ones we've been running in the lost sport
<EliHunt> Mr.Judkins has an alternate design that more closely resembles the Olympic labyrinth
<JamesMutters> Ariock and I guess that it's around 46 feet wide
<Canzonett> 25 meters - that's half the width of an Olympic swimming basin. Wow.
<EliHunt> Excellent, so let us keep that in mind when determining the location.
<Shad0> An 11-circuit labyrinth should need a playing space of 44x50 feet, if I'm doing my math correctly.
<EliHunt> So, where do we make this 46-foot wide labyrinth?
<Tenchizard> the width of a labyrinth is about... twice the width of a circuit, plus one
<EliHunt> This much we know:
<EliHunt> the most important game forty. runninng-races from the opening ceremonies
<Canzonett> Eli: Yes, we definitely must find a place with enough space for such a labyrinth
<JamesMutters> so... question: Do we have to compete w/ an 11 circuit?
<Canzonett> http://tinyurl.com/5h6n2h
<JamesMutters> I'm hoping not since we haven't been training on it
<Bookmore> Forty stadia would make sense, in that context.
<Shad0> @James: I don't think so. The "official" Olympic labyrinth is still seven-circuits.
<Canzonett> I tried to draw a map of Beijing marking a 40-stadia distance from the national stadium
<EliHunt> You all have concluded this is a distance of 40 stadia from the opening ceremonies, which we believe to be the National Stadium in Beijing, is that correct?
<Shad0> @EliHunt: Yes.
<Canzonett> Yes.
<unagi1> Yes.
<JamesMutters> Eli, we're with you so far...
<EliHunt> So that seems to leave a lot of option.
<JamesMutters> Does anyone have a way to lay a circle out on a map?
<lehall> Canzonett came up with a great one
<EliHunt> It seems to me we need to find an appropriate place that would support such a labyrinth that is on a ring with a radius 40 stadia from the stadium.
<EliHunt> Does anyone have such a ring designed?
<Canzonett> James, there's a Google Map tool "Layer Circles"; but it didnt work ... http://tinyurl.com/5h6n2h
<Canzonett> SO I had to draw it by hand
<EliHunt> Wow, Canzonett, excellent effort.
<JamesMutters> radius 40 stadia, w/ center on the birds nest
<Canzonett> it's not quite accurate, but it should to for the moment
<sparta247> so should we decide where to make the labyrinth?
<Fencer> So we draw an 11 circuit 40 stadia from Beijing?
<EliHunt> Fencer, not just Beijing. From the site of the opening ceremonies. That's a very specific location.
<Canzonett> http://tinyurl.com/5h6n2h
<EliHunt> It may take some time and collective effort, but it seems to me we need to examine these locations for an appropriate spot.
<EliHunt> We have some time, of course. Alex and the others do not arrive in Beijing for another week.
<JamesMutters> canzonett, we're looking at the map
<macmonkey> any particular site?
<mrjudkins> looking for a large park, I imagine?
<Bookmore> Keep in mind that given the circumstancs, the further away from the site, the easier for people to assemble and run the labyrinth.
<mrjudkins> to make a labyrinth with clews on grass?
<JamesMutters> Question: do we have any direction which we're supposed to be going from the opening ceremonies
<EliHunt> James, we do not.
<EliHunt> I think anywhere on that circle is potentially viable. Unless someone has another clue that I have missed?
<JamesMutters> That makes sense, Eli
<Canzonett> The city center is south of the stadium. Question is, if it will be possible to run an 11-circuit labyrinth therte without CHinese authorities intefering
<Fencer> no, I guess we just choose whatever is most comfortable
<JamesMutters> so now we just need to find a location, or a bunch of locations where we might be able to do a labyrinth...
<Fencer> Good point, Canzonett.
<Shad0> @James: Given that the Opening Ceremonies are in a different place every 4 years, it would be just about impossible to guarantee an appropriate empty space at the same distance AND in the same direction every time.
<JamesMutters> Shad0, that makes sense
<JamesMutters> so it's just ANYWHERE on that circumfrence
<JamesMutters> ?
<Tenchizard> there's a park north of the stadium
<Tenchizard> the Olympic park
<EliHunt> We need to use the satellite images and do some research to figure out what spot on that ring would be most viable.
<Canzonett> Tenchizard: that's to close
<EliHunt> Or perhaps we will select several viable locations, and leave it up to Alex and the others to determine when they get there the best space.
<JamesMutters> the other important qualification for the location is that it would be somewhere where we're not likely to get arrested
<EliHunt> Does that sound like a plan? Remember, it must be exactly 40 stadia.
<AUZ505> Yuanmingyuan Relict park
<EliHunt> Close won't be enough.
<mrjudkins> Sounds like a real plan Smile
<Canzonett> The zoo.
<macmonkey> open spaces are always good
<macmonkey> http://tinyurl.com/6x9dcu
<Tenchizard> ah, it has to be exactly 40 stadia... ok
<EliHunt> Okay, so while we have limited time together, we can move on to the next item.
<JamesMutters> ok, so what we want is a list of any open spaces
<mrjudkins> Okay - so that's something we can work on over the next week.
* @lehall adds to to-do list
<EliHunt> So here is a summary of what we have established so far:
<TWolf> I don't know the city but the Celestial Square seems big enough
<EliHunt> We believe that one of the travelers must do something different than the other five, and it might possibly require staying behind.
<Bookmore> TWolf: Will they let our friends draw the labyrinth on the ground, though ?
<EliHunt> We believe that we need to create an 11 circuit labyrinth somewhere on the 40-stadia ring from the stadium.


EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
So, the task seems to be find one or more potential locations around the 40-stadia ring that might be suitable for a 11-circuit labyrinth dance, approximately 25 meters or 46 feet wide.

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danteIL wrote:
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
So, the task seems to be find one or more potential locations around the 40-stadia ring that might be suitable for a 11-circuit labyrinth dance, approximately 25 meters or 46 feet wide.

46 feet = 14 meters ?

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unagi wrote:
danteIL wrote:
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
So, the task seems to be find one or more potential locations around the 40-stadia ring that might be suitable for a 11-circuit labyrinth dance, approximately 25 meters or 46 feet wide.

46 feet = 14 meters ?


In my defense, I simply pulled those numbers out of the chat Smile

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danteIL wrote:
unagi wrote:
danteIL wrote:
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
So, the task seems to be find one or more potential locations around the 40-stadia ring that might be suitable for a 11-circuit labyrinth dance, approximately 25 meters or 46 feet wide.

46 feet = 14 meters ?


In my defense, I simply pulled those numbers out of the chat Smile

Thanks, I've just found such an estimate in the chat log.
Perhaps the circuit intervals of Ariadne's dance don't have to be 2 feet.

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 		Chapter 4 describes the size of 3, 5, and 7-circuit labyrinths, as 14, 22, and 30 feet ( adding 8 feet for each 2 circuits added).
This makes sense because each circuit is supposed to be 2 feet wide, and you are adding 2 paths on each side of the labyrinth.

So a 9-circuit would be 38 feet wide.
And a 11-circuit would be 46 feet wide, as discussed in the chat by Ariock, James and Eli.
I believe the 25 meters was just a guess. I would keep with the codex standard, which should be 14 meters wide.
Making the labyrinth significantly larger for Ariadne's Dance doesn't seem to follow any logic.

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 		Also, let's not forget that we don't need additional space for the walls in this case. Therefore the path that is to be danced may need far less space than a classical labyrinth.

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 		Okay so possible locations??

I posted one possible dance-place here.

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danteIL wrote:
Okay so possible locations??

I posted one possible dance-place here.


The Plaza in front of the Exhibition Theatre looks good - not to say: excellent! I'll add a pin to the map there.

How about Yuan Ming Yuan Park?

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