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kosmopol
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@ChipsnDips
It's interesting thoughts about Illuminati. We should keep it in mind, since JJ Abrams used Illuminati Symbolics also in his other works. But I found a tendence in his works to develope his own conspiracies, which are perhaps leaning on the famous secret societies, but which are existing only in his shows. Milo Rambaldi from Alias, for example: this Da Vinci clone was a mythology, which Abrams developed himself. The same about Dharma Initiative. So I suppose, we can keep in mind the symbolic of existing (or not existing) secret societies, but we have always to know, JJ Abrams makes his own universe.
And yes, we should make our horizon widely: MD.com isn't only website we shall look for.
@summer fun
This is pretty great thing they have said. So we could in some ways influence the story (even if the most of episodes seem to be ready filmed, they have everytime possibilty to build in some new things, like we saw it in broadcasted pilot vs leaking pilot )
In this case I appeal to show producers: there are many many people outside of US admiring your works and playing your ARGs. Since Fringe could be real-time ARG (parallelism of show and ARG), do something about avialability of the show outside of US. Because one day "Fringe" will come e.g. to Europe, but the ARG will be ended or in progressive state of beeing, so the non-US audience won't perhaps get the full enjoyment of Fringe...
I know, it's really naive appeal, nobody will listen to it, and these "country restricting things" have money as an important reason... But it's really pity...
I'm just thinking about Cloverfield... They did nothing in Germany - no ARG, no manga, nothing (beside of some TV ads). So at the premiere, as I was in the theatre, the cinema hall was half full (or half empty). Because nobody knew, what's this movie (besides of people, who was reading some German CF-blogs, mines for example, hehe).
And in US "Cloverfield" premiere was über-successful, like an impact (mostly because of ARG).
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:19 am
summer fun
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writer's fringe input
I know it is exciting ...we could be influencing the plot line of the show by these discussions.
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:16 am
stratagos
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Re: writer's/fringe who's watching who?
summer fun wrote:
The writers of Fringe have said openly they are reading all the blogs.In fact they could be participating. So they could be getting ideas from us or planting clues as we speak.
If they are, I have to offer a bit of criticism re: the second episode. Spoilered to avoid giving away details in case anyone hasn't seen it
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I can accept the premise of rapid aging, but where the hell are the raw materials for Grandpa Baby from the first sequence coming from? Even if you're going to stipulate that he got it from the mother in the first chunk (and that it wouldn't kill her instantly by boiling her blood), what about after he's born? Does he suck it out of the flippin *air*?
I can suspend disbelief for aliens and paranormal stuff and government conspiracies, but stuff like this just immediately loses me. If they're not going to even *try* to pass this off as wierd-but-realistic, why bother?
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:16 am
Chibbie
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The Glass Helmets Here's an interesting update: http://www.fringetelevision.com/2008/09/fringe-music-black-angels-glass-helmets.html
The band The Glass Helmets is credited with a song in Episode 2.
For those who may not be familiar, The Glass Helmets was mentioned in the Cloverfield ARG. One of their songs was played in a JamieAndTeddy Video, that Jaime stripped to.
So, are they a real band or just a JJ crossover?
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:16 pm
madamimadam
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@kosmopol:
I don't think you're missing much. I watch the episodes online the day after they broadcast, even though I live in America, and it works fine for me. I suspect the quick uploads are for just the reason you mentioned; non-USers who want to play the ARG can still keep up with things online.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:00 pm
kosmopol
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@Chibbie
What? Glass Helmets? That's cool! Oh, I am impressed by them. I like such crossovers (like Slusho in Heroes
@madamimadam
Yes, I'm really happy, it is available online. I installed Hotspot Shield, so I can watch the show parallel with its premiere.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:28 pm
teufelsdrochk
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ChipsnDips wrote:
concise
riiight
ChipsnDips wrote:
The prominent triangle/Delta Δ on the leaf is
...anyway not a famously defined math constant. 'Delta' usually means 'change' but I do not know of any conventional (math) meaning for it. Delta functions or Dirac functions exist but are irrelevant; some standard exists for using 'Delta' for the sensitivity constants of chaos theory.
I dunno! In the absence of a better interpretation Illuminati sounds good to me.
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:20 pm
ArtherEld
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Re: writer's/fringe who's watching who?
stratagos wrote:
summer fun wrote:
The writers of Fringe have said openly they are reading all the blogs.In fact they could be participating. So they could be getting ideas from us or planting clues as we speak.
If they are, I have to offer a bit of criticism re: the second episode. Spoilered to avoid giving away details in case anyone hasn't seen it
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I can accept the premise of rapid aging, but where the hell are the raw materials for Grandpa Baby from the first sequence coming from? Even if you're going to stipulate that he got it from the mother in the first chunk (and that it wouldn't kill her instantly by boiling her blood), what about after he's born? Does he suck it out of the flippin *air*?
I can suspend disbelief for aliens and paranormal stuff and government conspiracies, but stuff like this just immediately loses me. If they're not going to even *try* to pass this off as wierd-but-realistic, why bother?
The obvious conclusion you can come to is that the scientist(s) took that into consideration when creating the drug, but to go into that, you're begging the episode to show you hours of boring explanation.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:54 pm
summer fun
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chaos theory research
I saw that on the web when I was looking up fibonacci equations,that choas theory is associated with fibonaaci. It's all about the math. Here's some info on the subject
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2166/whats-up-with-fibonacci-numbers
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:29 am
stratagos
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Re: writer's/fringe who's watching who? [quote="ArtherEld"][quote="stratagos"]
summer fun wrote:
The obvious conclusion you can come to is that the scientist(s) took that into consideration when creating the drug, but to go into that, you're begging the episode to show you hours of boring explanation.
I'd love to know of a drug that can *create matter*. The energy levels involved are enough to vaporize everything in a ten mile radius, if not *farther*.
Edit: Sorry, my math was off:
One gram of mass =
89.9 terajoules
24.9 million kilowatt-hours (≈25 GW·h)
21.5 billion kilocalories (≈21 Tcal) [3]
21.5 kilotons of TNT-equivalent energy (≈21 kt)
Assuming our dude is a skinny 200 kilograms, that's a whole pisspot full of energy that has to come from *somewhere*
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:16 am
ArtherEld
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Re: writer's/fringe who's watching who? [quote="stratagos"][quote="ArtherEld"]
stratagos wrote:
summer fun wrote:
The obvious conclusion you can come to is that the scientist(s) took that into consideration when creating the drug, but to go into that, you're begging the episode to show you hours of boring explanation.
I'd love to know of a drug that can *create matter*.
What! Did you seriously just say that? This show is about stuff we've never heard of or seen before.
stratagos wrote:
The energy levels involved are enough to vaporize everything in a ten mile radius, if not *farther*.
Edit: Sorry, my math was off:
One gram of mass =
89.9 terajoules
24.9 million kilowatt-hours (≈25 GW·h)
21.5 billion kilocalories (≈21 Tcal) [3]
21.5 kilotons of TNT-equivalent energy (≈21 kt)
Assuming our dude is a skinny 200 kilograms, that's a whole pisspot full of energy that has to come from *somewhere*
And you're criticizing the show after just two episodes for not offering some sort of explanation? Despite the fact that there's a real chance they will go more into detail. The show is in its first year long season. At the end of this last episode we get a glimps of the so called growing cloned soldiers. Obviously important elements of this case will be revisited.
Also, you said you're willing to suspend belief when it comes to things like the X-Files. I'm pretty sure if you analyzed any given show of the X-Files the way you did this episode, said X-Files episode would be destroyed.
Heck you could tear apart loads of scifi stuff like Jurassic Park. What are the chances of them finding amber that contains enough prehistoric dna to work with? The story would have never have gotten off the ground if Crichton didn't find some way around this detail to make it sound believable. And what's wrong with that, it's fiction. He's not writing a text book. And let's not start on Star Wars or Star Trek or any other spaceship movie that has loud massive exploding spaceships... in... space...
Back to "Fringe". It's scifi. There's a real chance that the "sci" part isn't going to be finely tuned to fit the most analytical scientist. THIS is where you have to suspend your belief. The science might be off, but the question is did they make it believable and entertaining despite that. I know now why scifi as of late has been getting such cynical bad rap. The term "suspended belief" has either been redifined or is basically nonexistent.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:11 am
summer fun
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discussion fringe
The only thing I said was that fringe writer's were participating in and reading the blogs. Also that chaos and fibonacci are connected w/a link. Nothing about drugs/matter. I'm enjoying the show myself.
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:41 pm
catherwood
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Re: writer's/fringe who's watching who?
ArtherEld wrote:
Back to "Fringe". It's scifi.
Good SciFi takes known science and extrapolates to a plausible "what if"; Fringe is either bad sci/fi or moderately entertaining SF (either speculative fiction or science fantasy). I'm not sure where I would put X-Files on that scale, but there was an elemental difference in the *way* they presented their far-fetched plot devices. I would say that the X-Files were treated as aberrations of nature, things you might want to believe but were not *expected* to take as fact -- they quickly labeled most of their subjects as being in the realm of the paranormal. Contrariwise, Fringe is pushing their "pattern" as if it *must* be treated as normal and factual. I think it is this difference in attitude which turns me off. (personal taste and opinion only)
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:13 pm
iheathen
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BoonIsha wrote:
One thing I did catch that stood out.
At one point Olivia yells at Peter to call 17224. Obviously not a full phone number, but its five digits like one of those SMS short codes. I tried sending a text from my phone, but no response.
Does anyone still have this episode taped? She gives instructions to call 17224 and ask for ?????? then she goes on to say to ping their location. The person she tells them to ask for could be an sms key word, I don't have the show taped anymore so I can't look back and see but could someone see what word it is she says to ask for. Then text that word to 17224 and see if that does anything.
Thanks!
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:01 pm
summer fun
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replay episode online recap
You can watch the show online...
http://www.fox.com/fringe/recaps/s1_e2.htm
Check out Walter's notes...so far with both shows there have notes attached to the recaps....this set is kind of cryptic.
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:35 am
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