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natas
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 		The skull optical illusion is a classic - a man and woman, Victorian era, sitting at a candlelit table, form the eyes and teeth of the skull. The kaleidoscope image is interesting though...further distortion of an illusion...



Sorry if it's huge - I'm adjusting to the coding of this forum Embarassed Every place is different!

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Oops, wrong optical Illusion on my part. I knew it looked familiar though. Good job on finding the right one.


And here I was all ready to trout myself, lol Trout

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 		Oops, wrong optical Illusion on my part. I knew it looked familiar though. Good job on finding the right one.

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 		Following the Story
This is my assessment of the story-telling in this episode:

The motherless daughter (previously identified as the Pride?) is angry for her mother being put to death so she seeks revenge by killing a member of the jury. She does this by drowning the juror in the ocean (feeding them to the sea). The townspeople got pissed and demanded justice (an eye for an eye, they cried), and extracted their price (not clear on what this is -killed the daughter maybe?). Then they placed the future in prison. I think this last part means they uprooted the town and moved on, seeking a future somewhere else, and settled in the Prison City (placing the future in prison), which may be in the Plymouth, MA area.

What do you think?

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 		Re: Following the Story
pomechickeranian wrote:
This is my assessment of the story-telling in this episode:

The motherless daughter (previously identified as the Pride?) is angry for her mother being put to death so she seeks revenge by killing a member of the jury. She does this by drowning the juror in the ocean (feeding them to the sea). The townspeople got pissed and demanded justice (an eye for an eye, they cried), and extracted their price (not clear on what this is -killed the daughter maybe?). Then they placed the future in prison. I think this last part means they uprooted the town and moved on, seeking a future somewhere else, and settled in the Prison City (placing the future in prison), which may be in the Plymouth, MA area.

What do you think?


I agree particularly with the first half of this summary; to me, the first image in the hearts vs heads video appears to be an elderly man being thrown into the sea (although if this is the case, he appears to have an unusual elongation on the back of his noggin? perhaps a hat). I also agree that they seem to have taken vengeance on the Pride, although "[placing] the future in prison" seems to me particularly ambiguous.

'Prison' in this context likely does refer to Prison City, but remember also that they are a jury, and by 'the future', they might have been referring to the child herself, and merely placed her in an actual gaol. Could this be one of the Pride's 'deaths'? If the prison is a reference to Prison City (which I personally believe to be pretty probable), then "[placing] the future in prison" does sound like they helped set up the Prison City for its role in our story today. Migrating there sounds unlikely, but it's always a possibility.

IN OTHER NEWS, the optical illusion was a good find by GB, and the opera information from LaughingWolf was pretty interesting, too. I'm particularly interested in his mention of Walpole; it makes sense to me that the times given to journey to the Prison City are indeed walking times as given by Google Maps, and as such the more cities around the MA area that could fit the description of a Prison City (possibly sharing the name of a woman?) that are known to us, the better. Shall shortly embark upon another Google Maps quest to find a city which matches given travel times.

Also, those sounds in the new video are weird and I do not know what to make of them. Except for the seagulls, which just seem to indicate the ocean.


EDIT: A few hours later...

Tarq's Kickass List of Places Which Might Be Prison City
because they have prisons in them are nearish the correct distance from Mendon, MA
  • Fort Devens, MA (19 minutes off; has two federal prisons)
  • Shirley, MA (46 minutes off; has two state prisons, and is named after a woman)
  • Bridgewater, MA (89 minutes off; has four state prisons)
  • Boston, MA (98 minutes off; has one state prison)
  • Brooklyn, CT (52 minutes off; has at least one state prison)

Tarq's Moderately Less Kickass List of Places Which Might Also Possibly Be Prison City I Guess
even though they don't have any prisons in them of which I know but they're pretty close to the right time from Mendon, MA, and likely arouse suspicion in another manner also
  • Chelsea, MA (5 minutes off; has name of a woman; near sea; specific place in Chelsea prob has exact time)
  • aaargh i think i just had a brain aneurysm from having used google maps too much

Went 360 degrees around Mendon Google Mapping the walking distance to places (which I assume were cities or large townships? did not bother zooming in very far, do not know my American geography very well) which were roughly the right distance away; obtained no exact matches. Found list of federal and state prisons on Wikipedia, then Google Mapped each place (and produced Kickass List). Tried to go around to previously GMapped places to find other places which were close in time and seemed likely candidates but some sort of ache of my head appears to have handicapped my will to keep using Google Maps. Might look back later or something. I'unno.

EDIT2: Formatted a bit better to look mildly prettier.

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 		Re: Following the Story
Welcome pomechickeranian.

I still see the first image as a female because because it looks to me like she's wearing a gown with short puffy sleeves. It would be good if we could get a consensus on the juror's gender.

I may be completely off base, but I thought 'an eye for an eye' goes back to the first video. They took her eyes and not only made blindness her prison but also ensured that the vendetta would continue on, thus figuratiavely imprisoning them all. We were unable to find a nicknamed "Prison City" in Massachusetts, so I'm guessing that if it is a literal one either it's fictional or existed long ago.

What do you all think about the bird on the hand as s/he plunges into the water followed by the bird at the end? It looks to me like it was snow covered so its true color was not immediately revealed. I don't know a lot about bird symbolism but have read that they can represent spirits.

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Doug52392
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 		I live in southeastern MA... i think there is several (now closed) state prisons near here.

Anyone figured out exactly which prison it is? I checked, where I live is 32.4 mi from Mendon, MA, 10 hours 30 mins walking time (according to GMaps).

There was a state prison/mental hospital to, but it burned down (not that long ago to)

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 		Re: Following the Story
Tresbien wrote:
I still see the first image as a female because because it looks to me like she's wearing a gown with short puffy sleeves. It would be good if we could get a consensus on the juror's gender.


Definitely a woman to my eyes. Also, I'm not convinced it's the juror...

Here's the page recovered from Gaia in Toronto during Round One.
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They hung her with my child inside
of her. I saved the little girl, but
the townspeople drowned her, too.

The histories will be distributed
sheet by sheet.

Gather a team to piece the truth
together before she stops it.

A token of gratitude will find you
soon in the fields surrounding Galt.
Gotham is not yet safe.


We had originally interpreted this to mean that after he had cut the child out of its dead mother's womb, the townspeople had drowned her immediately. The new parts of the story seem to suggest that she had a chance to exact revenge on one of the jurors. So here's how I think the story seems to go at this point:


  1. The townspeople tried and convicted a pregnant woman for witchcraft
  2. The father of the witch's child cut her out of the womb after the witch was hung
  3. The daughter grew up, and exacted revenge on at least one of the jurors by "feeding him to the sea"
  4. The townspeople responded in kind by drowning the daughter.


I'm not sure about Pomechickeranian's prison/future assessment, but the story is definitely not over at this point. Especially if this will be going on for a year, as Songwraith said.

So, the image of the woman, if it is someone being thrown to the sea, may be the juror or the daughter, but it doesn't look (to me) like that's what's happening. She appears to be standing with her back arched, looking at the sky.

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 		Re: Following the Story
Pavoreax wrote:

(Whoa, sorry that image is so large - I thought it would get the nice little image box with the reduced size image that you click on to get the full thing - if someone can tell me how to get that, I'll fix this)


You have to add the image as an attachment I think.

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 		Re: Following the Story
natas wrote:

You have to add the image as an attachment I think.


Thanks
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 		Oh, and as for the bird on the hand - I don't think it's a bird, or if it is, it was badly composited onto the original photo. It is shaped like a budgie, but if it is actually a bird, it's hanging onto her hand with its beak. It's just not positioned right to be standing on her hand. I think it may just be a cloud artifact in the background like the others in the image.
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 		Re: Following the Story
Pavoreax wrote:
Tresbien wrote:
I still see the first image as a female because because it looks to me like she's wearing a gown with short puffy sleeves. It would be good if we could get a consensus on the juror's gender.


Definitely a woman to my eyes. Also, I'm not convinced it's the juror...

Here's the page recovered from Gaia in Toronto during Round One.
Quote:
They hung her with my child inside
of her. I saved the little girl, but
the townspeople drowned her, too.

The histories will be distributed
sheet by sheet.

Gather a team to piece the truth
together before she stops it.

A token of gratitude will find you
soon in the fields surrounding Galt.
Gotham is not yet safe.


We had originally interpreted this to mean that after he had cut the child out of its dead mother's womb, the townspeople had drowned her immediately. The new parts of the story seem to suggest that she had a chance to exact revenge on one of the jurors. So here's how I think the story seems to go at this point:


  1. The townspeople tried and convicted a pregnant woman for witchcraft
  2. The father of the witch's child cut her out of the womb after the witch was hung
  3. The daughter grew up, and exacted revenge on at least one of the jurors by "feeding him to the sea"
  4. The townspeople responded in kind by drowning the daughter.


I'm not sure about Pomechickeranian's prison/future assessment, but the story is definitely not over at this point. Especially if this will be going on for a year, as Songwraith said.

So, the image of the woman, if it is someone being thrown to the sea, may be the juror or the daughter, but it doesn't look (to me) like that's what's happening. She appears to be standing with her back arched, looking at the sky.

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thx now I can see, what everybody called the girl .. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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 		An interesting coincidence...

The titles of songwraith's videos, "Eyes Without a Face" and "Who Wants to Live Forever" are the titles of 80's songs. this has already been established.

So, too, is the latest one: "Hearts vs. Heads" - This is a cheesy 80's song by Stan Bush. Here's where it gets interesting: This song was featured in what appears to be an equally cheesy 80's movie starring Charlie Sheen and Sherilyn Fenn called... "The Wraith"



YouTube: Link

Oh, yeah, that's some awesome music. Laughing

Anyway, I don't think it means anything. Here's the complete soundtrack listing for The Wraith: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092240/soundtrack - None of the other songs listed are on it.
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 		Haha. Oh Wraith. I guess in the interest of checking out everything I'll have to go download and watch that now. Interestingly, "Who Wants To Live Forever" was also in a movie. Highlander, to be precise.

So does anyone think maybe Songwraith's trying to point us towards something that happened in the mid 80's? Maybe he's trying to point out a span of a few years we should look into events during.

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 		Since our guide is songwraith, I don't think the importance of music can be overestimated. Wink

I do think the image shows a bird on her outstretched finger, likely the same bird as in the final image. This site, http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Be-Ca/Birds-in-Mythology.html, says about bird symbolism:
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Many myths have linked birds to the arrival of life or death. With their power of flight, these winged creatures were seen as carriers or symbols of the human soul, or as the soul itself, flying heavenward after a person died.


Going back to "A motherless daughter is a vessel of vengeance." Vessel means agent or container, which makes me think our convicted witch might have already had a living child who fed the juror to the sea. I'm leaving open that possibility in my own mind.

Pavoreax, it's not clear to me that the PMs are following the previous script even though the other videos remain on youtube. I'm looking at this as a new beginning and figure it'll become clear in time.

GB, your point about the 80s dates makes sense, but I can't reconcile that with the witch trials yet as they began in 1692 and ended in May of 1693.
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