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[TRAILHEAD?] The Citizens of Virtue
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Xemu
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 		About the THOU theory
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but the word THOU, in addition to being an Olde Fashioned English Pronoune, is also a slangy way of saying "thousand", which certainly qualifies as "many".

I'd believe THOU was correct if the old way of writing "he" were THOU, but it ain't--they used "he" in the days of King James as they do today. THOU is just the old (familiar/singular) from of the pronoun YOU (which was used only as a plural, I think, way back when).

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:32 pm
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tinhorn
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 		StrayTabby has just posted this on her LiveJournal, friends-locked:

I'm friends-onlying this, cause I dont wanna make trips to the principals office a regular thing.

I'm back in a real school but its kinda bunk. This morning in homeroom I turned in my book report, and I got to meet mr. principal straight up. OK, its not like I asked for the assignment, guy! >:O

The sub asked us to review a book we read that "made us have a strong reaction." Her lame-o words, not mine! So I picked a book that was forced on me at Camp F: God's Hand, by Pastor Grace. I didn't ask to read it. So, uh-huh, I said what was on my mind. I'm copying in what I wrote, spell-checked and everything:

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Tabby Cole
English - Mrs. Garritty
Book Report - 300 words

I read God's Hand by Pastor Bryson Grace. That made me have a strong reaction. I wanted to punch the guy in the face. Maybe you've seen him on TV. I have. We had a TV at Camp Francis, but it didn't get cable or anything. It just played videotapes of Pastor Grace and his crew telling us how to be good citizens. So I've heard all this before. But when you have to read it over and over, when you could be reading good books instead, you get the idea that the guy's all munged up in the head.

I got handed this book once I got into camp, and I didn't know Pastor Grace from Adam. So I'm like, give him a chance, y'know? He talks about God's hand, and how on your first view of it you take it at face value. How it colors your viewpoint matters, right? My initial reaction is that it's all good. Then just goes off, says it's all about reinterpreting God's hand to how you SHOULD see it. Then maybe it doesn't matter what it says, just as long as you see it how he sees it. (he lowercase, not He uppercase!) That's just wack. You see it right there in scripture, then it's your top priority to believe it how you want it, okay?

If he stops there, he's just pounding the pulpit. But he doesn't stop there. Then he says God's hand is all about about who you are. Who God has decided you are. Like you have no say in it. Like you don't have to do anything after that. It's just done. Like He showed up when you were born and said, "This one's going to Hell." Well, if that happened, Pastor Grace, this one ain't going.

It's God's Hand. But it's God's Hand in one man's hand. And that man doesn't have anything on me any more.

----

Think I shouldve gotten sent to the principals office for THAT? Oh, lunch bell! Gotta fly!

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Projectyl
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 		Hm. They're clearly trying to hint us through the Diligence puzzle, but it's so vaguely worded that it's not really much help.

She emphasizes initials (first view, initial reaction, top priority), cards (face value, colors, and a whole bunch of references to "hands"), the birthdays (when you were born), and, oddly enough, the Bible (good books, scripture). Almost all of that we knew already, though.

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catherwood
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Projectyl wrote:
Hm. They're clearly trying to hint us through the Diligence puzzle, but it's so vaguely worded that it's not really much help.

She emphasizes initials (first view, initial reaction, top priority), cards (face value, colors, and a whole bunch of references to "hands"), the birthdays (when you were born), and, oddly enough, the Bible (good books, scripture). Almost all of that we knew already, though.

My initial reaction to the letter was that it was saying that our initial gut feeling was that poker hands were involved, but that God wanted us to reinterpret the clues and see beyond the obvious. So I started second guessing myself, thinking the letter was telling me NOT to use the poker metaphor. But that would be over-thinking the whole thing.

Now I'll buy "initial reaction" as an obvious clue upside the head to using the initials of the names. It still bugs me how odd and awkward some of those disciples' last names are spelled. But "top priority" sounds more like ranking the poker hands than initials.

I'm ready to start looking up scriptures, perhaps using the birthdays. If nothing else, this ARG has gotten people to read the Bible more than I imagined it could.

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FractalP
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 		Well maybe the month is a chapter and the date is a verse? It might have something to do with the quote or smiley (face value), maybe rearrange them in order or something? Maybe the alphabetical representation of the cards is the way to go, and I'll go check 'im out now Smile

EDIT: Well, I'm up to the eighth group and so far everyone has a Two Pair except for the fourth group with a Full House. I'm trying to convince myself that I'm going in the completely wrong direction but it isn't helping Very Happy

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Donimo
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 		W7 DI3
Quote:
Keep your ear to the ground and
hold your tongue, maintaining a
steady hand and a nose for
imminent danger. If anything is
missing, you will surely sense it.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The four body parts mentioned represent the organs of the five senses. So the missing part is EYE.


Not a word on yesterday's DI and still no adequate solution for DI2. Anybody? Bueller?
EDIT: Oopsy. Missed some posts. I guess today's DI fits in with other theories pronouns, homophones, something.

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beauvine
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 		DIs theory (Maybe doesn't need spoiler):

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Maybe every day this week is the word 'e?e' with the ? being a different letter. DI1 could be EWE (because it is a homophone with you), DI2 coud be EVE, and DI3 is EYE. This could be completely wrong though because I can only find two other words that fit the pattern and there needs to be six total.


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Projectyl
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It also fits the letter soundalikes pattern beautifully. So now we have YE (E), EWE (U), and EYE (I). Be on the lookout for BE/BEE/BEA, SEE/SEA/SI, GEE, JAY, ELLE, etc...


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catherwood
I Have 100 Cats and Smell of Wee

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 		still brainstorming in sunny weather
FractalP wrote:
Well maybe the month is a chapter and the date is a verse? It might have something to do with the quote or smiley (face value), maybe rearrange them in order or something? Maybe the alphabetical representation of the cards is the way to go, and I'll go check 'im out now :)

Face value would explain the inclusion of the smileys -- but would that negate it being a clue towards face cards or face value of playing cards? Either way, the graphics are all numbered (emote2.gif for example), so I would go with the numbers being their values, rather than all the hard work people did to find their descriptions elsewhere. And as for alphabetical pairings to playing cards, I would use the code as presented in the video for this virtue, where ace=A,N 2=B,O king=M,Z (which deciphered to TITLE PAGES) rather than 1=A,B etc

I haven't tried looking up scripture yet -- if the birthday = chapter:verse, there really should be more data to hint at the book. Taking our cluestick in order:
  1. your first view of it you take it at face value.
  2. How it colors your viewpoint matters, right?
  3. My initial reaction is that it's all good.
  4. Then just goes off, says it's all about reinterpreting God's hand ...
  5. Then maybe it doesn't matter what it says, ...
  6. You see it right there in scripture,
  7. then it's your top priority to believe it how you want it, okay?

First do something with the faces... eventually get to the scripture, and lastly do a sort on something in the verse? The weekend cannot get here fast enough.

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JennyG
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 		DI's
To elaborate on Projectyl's thought:
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Not only do we have homenyms of letters, we have homonyms of vowels. If we consider "sometimes Y" then we have a full complement of six. So WHY and OWE would make sense - is there a word that's a homonym of A?


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beauvine
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 		Eh?

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ToddE
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 		Diligence coincidence?

One of the disciples is Alexa P. Rodriguez, from Iowa City, IA. In the Lord's Due there is a letter from Samuel G from Iowa City:

Quote:
Before I found the Citizens of Virtue – and the Lord – I was a lost sheep. All I did was gamble my money away. I lost my wife. I lost my children. But with Pastor Grace's help, I have stopped gambling and pray the good Lord will see fit to bring me back to my family once more.


That certainly fits the theme we've seen with this puzzle. And it certainly seems like he needs rescuing.

Could be total randomness and even if it's not, it still probably doesn't get us anywhere.

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thebruce
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just a reminder y'all, let's try to keep spoiler tags for .. actual spoilers (puzzle solutions or answers, big plot points, etc). Speculation and theories are fair game for reading normally (and a tad annoying to have to keep uncovering to read Wink)

and if you -do- spoiler, describe what it spoils beforehand, otherwise it's kind of pointless to uncover it to find out anyway, and by then it would be too late to skip uncovering. Razz

tnx
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Projectyl
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 		I've responded to Tabby's post in an attempt to dig for a few more hints:

Quote:
Wow, I agree. No way they should've gotten on your case about that. It's not inflammatory! It's just telling the people what they need to know about that creep Grace!

What you wrote has me thinking, though. When it comes to what God has in the cards for us, do you think it really matters where someone comes from, or what they say? Deep stuff.


Hopefully we'll hear back, and that'll tell us whether we need to use the hometowns and/or the quotes.

EDIT: She's replied!

Quote:
I dont think any of that stuff should matter!!! And can you believe that people still judge folks by how their faces look? That stuff doesn't matter either, not now anyway.

If everyone would just play the hand that's dealt, theyll find the people that really matter in their lives. That's the "virtuous life" right there!!!!

I'm tired. I'm gonna read a GOOD book for a change.


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Donimo
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 		Suits/colors
If taken at face (npi) value, Tabby's response to Projectyl's email seems to rule out everything but names. I've spent lots of time trying to turn names into cards, but I can't seem to decide a couple issues:

- Does each person represent a poker hand or a single card? If a card, then do we only use one initial? Which? Either way it seems we only get three cards in a hand. Card five can be some other person, possibly on the list, but what about card four? Someone gave a theory about using one's own name as card four, but I'm skeptical.

- We have a means to turn letters into card ranks (per catherwood's decode method in the video), but what about suits? Because Tabby mentioned colors in her previous post and didn't mention suits, I've been thinking we don't actually need all four suits, just a way to decide red and black. The only thing I've come up with that produces a binary value is whether a person is male or female. That means those "faces" are significant, though that's ok because Tabby mentions the faces' "appearance", and she may just be turning us off of the smileys. Gender can also be determined mostly from names, so I think it's still on the table.

I've been calculating all the cards via formulas in Excel, but haven't seen anything I like. I'd really like to see a hand come out to be a straight. I haven't often gotten that as a possibility and all other hands are more likely to be coincidences. If anyone has things they want me to try, let me know and I'll see what my spreadsheet says.

And good work Projectyl on the hints in the letter to Tabby!

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